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Occultus
Profile Joined July 2011
Kenya138 Posts
September 23 2011 06:57 GMT
#61
Dunno if its popular in the states, but the Garmin Forerunner is a great sportswatch with heart frequence, pace, kilometers, self plannable trainings, a little bit of GPS navigation and of course a lot of uploading possibilities via http://connect.garmin.com/ .
Payed 130euros for my 305, guess you cant geht the 205 for even less than 100bucks.
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Meat
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands3751 Posts
September 23 2011 17:37 GMT
#62
On September 21 2011 07:21 travis wrote:
So I was going to sign up to run a marathon but it costs 60 dollars which is total bullshit. So I am just going to make my own track and run my own marathon by myself, wish me luck.

Why don't you run one of the less prestigious marathons, in Holland there are plenty of marathons between 5 and 15 euro (7-23 usd).
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dudeman001
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2412 Posts
September 24 2011 00:42 GMT
#63
Ran 9 miles today in the rain along the river shirtless. Gdamn it feels incredible. #runnershigh
Sup.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-24 02:53:17
September 24 2011 00:49 GMT
#64
On September 24 2011 02:37 Liquid`Meat wrote:
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On September 21 2011 07:21 travis wrote:
So I was going to sign up to run a marathon but it costs 60 dollars which is total bullshit. So I am just going to make my own track and run my own marathon by myself, wish me luck.

Why don't you run one of the less prestigious marathons, in Holland there are plenty of marathons between 5 and 15 euro (7-23 usd).


This isn't at all a prestigious marathon. I am pretty sure it's one of the less expensive ones. Also I am kind of out in the middle of nowhere, I was surprised there were any near me.
AirbladeOrange
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2573 Posts
September 24 2011 01:23 GMT
#65
On September 24 2011 09:49 travis wrote:
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On September 24 2011 02:37 Liquid`Meat wrote:
On September 21 2011 07:21 travis wrote:
So I was going to sign up to run a marathon but it costs 60 dollars which is total bullshit. So I am just going to make my own track and run my own marathon by myself, wish me luck.

Why don't you run one of the less prestigious marathons, in Holland there are plenty of marathons between 5 and 15 euro (7-23 usd).


This isn't at all a prestigious marathon. I am pretty sure it's one of the less cheap ones. Also I am kind of out in the middle of nowhere, I was surprised there were any near me.


Many marathons are fundraisers for charity. Even if it isn't, people always throw around the term "support esports" so just look at it as supporting local running.
Azerbaijan
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States660 Posts
September 24 2011 02:31 GMT
#66
On September 23 2011 10:25 hejakev wrote:
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On September 23 2011 10:05 Azerbaijan wrote:
I too suggest taking things very slowly when getting into minimalist or barefoot running. I managed to hurt myself pretty badly after I started running in Vibrams because I increased my distance to quickly. The vibrams are great though, I don't think I'll ever go back.


I used to run a lot and I started having some knee problems (nothing serious, thankfully). I haven't run in a few months, but I want to start back up again.

If I get vibrams, how hard is it to get used to them? Does it take days, weeks, months?


Doesn't take too long to get used to them. It is a but strange at first as you have to adjust your form. Its actually really interesting, if you let it happen you will naturally start to run on the balls of your feet and take smaller and quicker steps. This is much better for your knees and much more efficient. After I started running with better form I was able to nearly double my distance in just two weeks, not because I was getting in better shape but because I was just running more efficiently. Unfortunately, like any runner will tell you, you`re not supposed to increase your distance that fast and that is how I hurt myself.

So to start I suggest just walking a lot in them, your feet will probably get sore and it will feel strange but take it slow. When you do start running in them I suggest running in grass if you can and not too much. Your body will let you know if you do too much; stop as the first sign of pain.

Like I said before, Now that I've run in them quite a lot I don't think I can ever go back to normal shoes. Though you can still have the same form in running shoes it just doesn't feel them same. Especially in grass; vibrams feel so good in grass.
Deleted User 109835
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
629 Posts
September 25 2011 01:56 GMT
#67
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AirbladeOrange
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2573 Posts
September 25 2011 02:16 GMT
#68
When I read that you want to increase speed I take that as getting better at short distance track races or improving your kick. I feel like you just want to improve your 5k time. If this is the case then I'd suggest not worrying about how fast you are doing your training runs. It's probably best if you're new to just focus on very gradually increasing the distance of your easy runs and in turn your weekly milage.

If you post your current level of fitness, current training regimen, and your goals it would help a great deal.
AnxiousHippo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia1451 Posts
September 25 2011 02:47 GMT
#69
What about High Intensity Interval Training to increase speed?
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Deleted User 109835
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
629 Posts
September 25 2011 03:14 GMT
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Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
September 25 2011 04:19 GMT
#71
My boss is dragging the entire team to a 10K(m) charity run in November, and I think I should start practising.

I used to run a lot (three times a week minimum, 5Km+) and then I stopped because I started lifting weight instead. I'm going to check this couch to 5K out.
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dudeman001
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2412 Posts
September 25 2011 04:57 GMT
#72
On September 25 2011 11:47 AnxiousHippo wrote:
What about High Intensity Interval Training to increase speed?

HIIT is generally useful if you don't injure yourself, thereby losing days or potentially longer. To do HIIT your body has to already be used to high strain running activity. If it is you're welcome to do. However assess what your goals are and what distance you're looking to run. If it's anything longer than short distance sprints then I recommend timed distance intervals (my favorite is ladders).
Sup.
AirbladeOrange
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2573 Posts
September 25 2011 05:07 GMT
#73
On September 25 2011 12:14 SKTerran.117 wrote:
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On September 25 2011 11:16 AirbladeOrange wrote:
When I read that you want to increase speed I take that as getting better at short distance track races or improving your kick. I feel like you just want to improve your 5k time. If this is the case then I'd suggest not worrying about how fast you are doing your training runs. It's probably best if you're new to just focus on very gradually increasing the distance of your easy runs and in turn your weekly milage.

If you post your current level of fitness, current training regimen, and your goals it would help a great deal.


Yes I am mostly worried about my 3mile time.

I'm 21 6' 200lbs. 3mile time is 28:00. best 1 mile time is 8:00

I run 3 days a week, i aim for 3 miles but like I said lately I just can't go that far so I have been going somewhere between 2 and 3.

Goal is to just get my 3 mile time down to 20-22 mins then work on increasing distance


You can make it work with 3 runs per week. The thing is to just increase the amount of time you're running rather than worry about speed or even distance. Go slower if you're having a hard time finishing your runs. For the next few months just focus on very gradually increasing the time you're running. Once you're getting comfortable with that then you can consider increasing the number of days you run as well as doing other types of running workouts.

But I think the most important things you can do is to set a goal and find ways to enjoy the process of working toward it. Find a local 5k a few months from now and work for running it under 22 minutes. If you put in the time you will get there. Feel free to ask anything else. Happy running!
Deleted User 109835
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
629 Posts
September 25 2011 05:40 GMT
#74
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AirbladeOrange
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2573 Posts
September 25 2011 05:56 GMT
#75
On September 25 2011 14:40 SKTerran.117 wrote:
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On September 25 2011 14:07 AirbladeOrange wrote:
On September 25 2011 12:14 SKTerran.117 wrote:
On September 25 2011 11:16 AirbladeOrange wrote:
When I read that you want to increase speed I take that as getting better at short distance track races or improving your kick. I feel like you just want to improve your 5k time. If this is the case then I'd suggest not worrying about how fast you are doing your training runs. It's probably best if you're new to just focus on very gradually increasing the distance of your easy runs and in turn your weekly milage.

If you post your current level of fitness, current training regimen, and your goals it would help a great deal.


Yes I am mostly worried about my 3mile time.

I'm 21 6' 200lbs. 3mile time is 28:00. best 1 mile time is 8:00

I run 3 days a week, i aim for 3 miles but like I said lately I just can't go that far so I have been going somewhere between 2 and 3.

Goal is to just get my 3 mile time down to 20-22 mins then work on increasing distance


You can make it work with 3 runs per week. The thing is to just increase the amount of time you're running rather than worry about speed or even distance. Go slower if you're having a hard time finishing your runs. For the next few months just focus on very gradually increasing the time you're running. Once you're getting comfortable with that then you can consider increasing the number of days you run as well as doing other types of running workouts.

But I think the most important things you can do is to set a goal and find ways to enjoy the process of working toward it. Find a local 5k a few months from now and work for running it under 22 minutes. If you put in the time you will get there. Feel free to ask anything else. Happy running!


so use time as the measurement for now rather than distance? kk

so start with lets say 30mins and work towards 1hour before I worry too much about increasing pace to reach my goal 3 mile time or longer/shorter?


If you can do 30 minutes continuous and feel okay then sure. But probably start lower if you're only doing 2-3 miles per run. I'm guessing your runs are shorter than 30 minutes right now. If so, start shorter, whatever time you're comfortable with.
Deleted User 109835
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
629 Posts
September 25 2011 06:10 GMT
#76
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L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
September 25 2011 10:11 GMT
#77
WE HAVE A NEW MARATHON WORLD RECORD!!!!

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Ludrik
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Australia523 Posts
September 25 2011 12:57 GMT
#78
Straight away I thought "Damn that's fast; he must be kenyan."

Then I looked him up and sure enough, he's kenyan.
Only a fool would die laughing. I was a fool.
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
September 25 2011 14:42 GMT
#79
On September 25 2011 12:14 SKTerran.117 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 11:16 AirbladeOrange wrote:
When I read that you want to increase speed I take that as getting better at short distance track races or improving your kick. I feel like you just want to improve your 5k time. If this is the case then I'd suggest not worrying about how fast you are doing your training runs. It's probably best if you're new to just focus on very gradually increasing the distance of your easy runs and in turn your weekly milage.

If you post your current level of fitness, current training regimen, and your goals it would help a great deal.


Yes I am mostly worried about my 3mile time.

I'm 21 6' 200lbs. 3mile time is 28:00. best 1 mile time is 8:00

I run 3 days a week, i aim for 3 miles but like I said lately I just can't go that far so I have been going somewhere between 2 and 3.

Goal is to just get my 3 mile time down to 20-22 mins then work on increasing distance


Depends on how serious you are about wanting to get faster. If your pretty focused and willing to train smart you can make that goal in a couple months, though there is a HUGE difference between 20 and 22 minutes.

The first thing you want to do is weight. 6' and 200 is much to big and weight is a very significant factor in performance. Every pound or so you lose affects your race times by about 2 second per mile. So if you lose 30 pounds that alone would drop your 3 mile time by at least 3 minutes.

should i lower my distance? or increase my speed in smaller increments?


You should do neither.

Your last sentence is what I have a problem with. You can't just "get your 3 mile time down". You don't improve trying to run faster for super short distances like your running. Especially at your fitness level the easiest way to make massive improvements in fitness is to develop your aerobic capacity. Hard, anaerobic intervals or runs would not be efficient for you at all since your already on such low mileage and would only serve to make running less pleasant and beat you up.

The way you improve running time is to run more, and easily. As an 8 minute miles/28 5K guy your training runs should be NO FASTER than 11:00 per mile, quite possibly slower if you want, this alone will help you significantly by making it much easier to run alot more.

You say your currently running 2 or 3 times a week for three miles; thats not a bad start. Now what you want to do is start adding frequency. This week run 3x2-3 miles, then next week add a day. If that week doesn't kill you, do 5x2-3 mile runs. If it did kill you, repeat the tough week and if you don't feel totally trashed add another day.

After you're at 6 or 7 (your choice) days a week of running then start adding mileage, probably 3-5 miles a week is a good amount to add. So you might be running 3,3,3,3,0,3,3; now you would run 3,4,4,3,0,3,5. After two or three weeks of increasing take a cut week unless you feel absolutely fantastic, then continue to increase. So a progression might look like this (weekly mileage): 18,22,26,30,15,30,35,40,20,40.

Once your done with that you'll almost certainly be under 22min, especially if you work hard on your weight as well. Best of luck and feel free to ask anything!
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L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-25 14:59:02
September 25 2011 14:58 GMT
#80
On September 25 2011 11:47 AnxiousHippo wrote:
What about High Intensity Interval Training to increase speed?


Is there a standard way of doing HIIT? Like X time for interval, with y recovery; at Z race pace? This would be really helpful to know so I could better respond to all these HIIT/Interval questions.

Interval training does have its place for getting faster, but is generally best for experienced runners with a good base to handle the intervals. For people newer to running just building a base and developing aerobic capacity usually yields much more significant results and is must lest risk for injury potential.

In general there are 3 types of intervals:
1)Short Intervals w/long recovery - These are your "speed" intervals. Think 200-400m intervals at anywhere between 400m-mile race pace. Recovery would be a slow jog of at least the distance of the interval, more if needed. These are not very demanding since you give yourself full recovery and their purpose is to help increase economy, especially economy at speed, through neuromuscular coordination; they also serve to increase strength and turnover.

2)400m-1600m intervals w/medium recovery - The purpose of this workout is to go into anaerobic debt on each interval and thereby stimulat building up your anaerobic capacity. This can also help somewhat with strength and speed tolerance. Moderate recoveries (say, 3+min for a 400m etc) are used to allow time to clear the lactic acid from your system and get HR back near baseline in order to be able to repeat the effort in the next interval. Comparing a 400m under this strategy to a 400m under #1 above, the time will be slower. This workout will actually feel much harder on you that #1 above, because you are working your anaerobic system so hard

3)400-3000m intervals w/short recovery - Gives your body an extended time at higher intensity paces. These intervals are among the best for VO2 max development and for speed tolerance for 5K/10K racing. For example you might run 1200m in 4:00 w/2:00-2:30 jog recovery. The recovery brings you back just enough to complete the next interval but not enough that you are fully recovered. If you start slowing down on the intervals the initial pace was too fast. These workouts are great because they allow for much greater time at an intense pace. If you run a 5K in 17:30, thats 17:30 time at an intense pace at most, with much of the latter part of the race being anerobic. With an interval workout like 6x1200m as above you would spend about 36 minutes at a strong aerobic pace.
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