• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 13:55
CEST 19:55
KST 02:55
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 1 - Final Week6[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall12HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0
Community News
Esports World Cup 2025 - Brackets Revealed10Weekly Cups (July 7-13): Classic continues to roll4Team TLMC #5 - Submission extension3Firefly given lifetime ban by ESIC following match-fixing investigation17$25,000 Streamerzone StarCraft Pro Series announced7
StarCraft 2
General
The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings RSL Revival patreon money discussion thread Who will win EWC 2025? Weekly Cups (July 7-13): Classic continues to roll Esports World Cup 2025 - Brackets Revealed
Tourneys
FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series $5,100+ SEL Season 2 Championship (SC: Evo) WardiTV Mondays Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune Mutation # 481 Fear and Lava Mutation # 480 Moths to the Flame Mutation # 479 Worn Out Welcome
Brood War
General
Flash Announces (and Retracts) Hiatus From ASL BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion Starcraft in widescreen A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Cosmonarchy Pro Showmatches CSL Xiamen International Invitational [BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do.
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread CCLP - Command & Conquer League Project The PlayStation 5
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Future of Porn Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative Summer Games Done Quick 2025!
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 2024 - 2025 Football Thread NBA General Discussion NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Men Take Risks, Women Win Ga…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 752 users

Running Thread - Page 125

Forum Index > Sports
Post a Reply
Prev 1 123 124 125 126 Next
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
December 15 2013 03:11 GMT
#2481
Race today was pretty fun, though not what I had expected. Given the races so far I expected a fairly normal road course...but was confronted with a pretty legit XC type course. First and last 600m or so were on flat pavement, but the rest was up and down hills on a trail. Pretty churned up dirt, hilly, and with a good bit of snow and ice...even had two stream crossings (which is a bit chilly on a 25 degree morn ). The hills weren't really insane, at least by Colorado standards, but noticeable. Let's just say I had alot of fun with that change in variety and constantly having to be aware and thinking.

The time wasn't fast (I think mid to high 20's...still no results though ) but I'm very pleased with the race. I was a little conservative at the beginning 1k, but ratcheted it down and really ran tough the rest of the way, avoiding the fade I tend to exhibit in the 3rd and 4th k of the race. Still left a little in the tank, and need to remember I can start full on kicking sooner than 60m from the finish...but overall I'm very pleased with the way I ran.

Good improvement too, as I ran probably 30s slower on a basically flat course 5 weeks ago. Confident I can go sub 20 under good conditions. Guess my next race/goal is the trail 2M Nielson challenge in early January. Optimistically hoping for 12:30, which could be a stretch as the course doesn't run especially fast. I can run a road 5k at a marginally faster pace than I can hold for the 2M



EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
AirbladeOrange
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2573 Posts
December 15 2013 22:05 GMT
#2482
Cool stuff. What shoes did you wear?
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
December 16 2013 05:06 GMT
#2483
On December 16 2013 07:05 AirbladeOrange wrote:
Cool stuff. What shoes did you wear?


I think it's Asics Gel Frantic or something of the like. Nothing special, just something you can pick up for $50 a Kohl's. It's a little more lightweight than what I wear for most training runs.
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
Don_Julio
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
2220 Posts
December 16 2013 16:49 GMT
#2484
This Crossrace sounds like a lot of fun particularly if you don't have any pressure to perform. I'd like to try one, too but there aren't any in my area afaik.

I have some problems with my hip joint since last week. It's hard to describe even in my native language. It started to be an issue last tuesday, my left foot and leg felt kinda weak without having any pain the longer I ran. I finished the run anyways and didn't have any issues right after the run but had this pain in the hip joint the next morning.
So I forced myself to rest for four days and tried to run again yesterday at a really slow pace. Everything felt fine but again at the end of the run my leg felt tired without real pain. When I woke up today I had the same pain like last week. It got better through the day but it sucks anyways.
It's most likely an effect of too much training. I picked up the weekly mileage four weeks ago (it's not more than before my halfmarathon in october though) and I ran a lot faster than usually because it felt so easy running at a faster pace suddenly and was a lot of fun. I guess the increase of distance and pace at the same time was too much for my hip or whatever is causing this.
I have to make an appointment with an orthopedist and be really careful with running until I get one (which could be in three months). Fuck.
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
December 17 2013 20:51 GMT
#2485
I have to make an appointment with an orthopedist and be really careful with running until I get one (which could be in three months). Fuck.


I agree with the "fuck" part. Hip injuries are a real bitch. Not only are they incredibly difficult to diagnose (all kinds of things refer pain to different areas (i.e. a back issue can cause pain in the hip). Hopefully you are lucky, and it is just a sprain or tendinitis in one of the groin or hip flexor muscles. The other possibilities are generally....shitty. Like 6, 9, 12+ months out with surgery possibly required.

All I can say is be really, really careful. I'm living proof of that. I'm pretty sure if I would have just stayed totally off for a few months I'd be back, instead I'm 13 months out...and healing at a glacial pace (at least it DOES seem to be getting better).

Anything else you can tell us about the pain (where does it hurt, does it seem to come from "inside" the hip joint", can you trigger the pain with any specific movements, etc) is helpful into getting some idea of what might be the culprit.
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
December 21 2013 09:15 GMT
#2486
Another nice workout today of 8x600 going 2:15 for the 600s, and 2min jog recovery between. Last one in maybe 2:10. Nice turnover/light VO2 max stuff without being particularly difficult.
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
Don_Julio
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
2220 Posts
December 21 2013 10:18 GMT
#2487
On December 18 2013 05:51 L_Master wrote:
Show nested quote +
I have to make an appointment with an orthopedist and be really careful with running until I get one (which could be in three months). Fuck.


Anything else you can tell us about the pain (where does it hurt, does it seem to come from "inside" the hip joint", can you trigger the pain with any specific movements, etc) is helpful into getting some idea of what might be the culprit.


Sorry for not responding for so long. I kinda forgot about it.

Ok, the pain got triggered when I started a forward/upward movement. It started right at the moment when I put pressure on the leg and I felt in inside the joint. I also felt the joint snapping a little. I can't quite remember it actually as the issue slowly faded away over the day and I didn't run the whole week.
I did run jog yesterday however. It was a short and easy 6k with my friend. I don't have any hip issues now and the run was really smooth. But at some point at around 25 minutes I felt a sudden pain in my left knee, in my ankle and my foot. I immediately slowed down even more and the pain faded away again.
What I know now is that I have some issue with my left leg. I just don't know what the issue is as I have symptoms everywhere. For now I'm planning to rest a lot and maybe go for short and easy runs twice a week.
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
December 25 2013 22:41 GMT
#2488
Nice cruisin 3.5M tempo today in 23:45 today, so just under 6:50 pace on a nice rolly trail. Fitness is definitely on it's way back, as that was really relaxed. Certainly could have cruised another 2-3+ miles like that without getting near the territory of "working hard".

Going to work hard on hip strengthening and rehab stuff for the next month or so, and if I keep tolerating 2x runs per week, am going to try to work back up to 25-30 mpw. My concern is that I definitely still feel trigger that deep ache with a certain movement, and still feel a little of that sensation after some runs...though while running it feels totally fine. It is a possibility that I've gotten so used to looking for it I just have a phantom pain, or think of normal sensations as abornmal.
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
December 29 2013 03:32 GMT
#2489
Everyone dead here lately

Had a nice session today of 10x400 w/2:00 jog recoveries. Went 88,86, 86, 85, 85, 83, 84, 83, 82, 69. Just a nice workout for gettin some turnover without being too stressful.
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
berated-
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1134 Posts
December 29 2013 03:48 GMT
#2490
On December 29 2013 12:32 L_Master wrote:
Everyone dead here lately

Had a nice session today of 10x400 w/2:00 jog recoveries. Went 88,86, 86, 85, 85, 83, 84, 83, 82, 69. Just a nice workout for gettin some turnover without being too stressful.


I moved and decided that being fat again is easier than running. I need to get back into it soon, after losing the 60 lbs and getting back into it I'm back up 20 lbs again

I'll get back into it eventually, it's just too easy to slip in the holiday season. Nice work on staying dedicated though. Great workout.
danl9rm
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States3111 Posts
December 29 2013 03:55 GMT
#2491
Ok, I know it's just a running thread, but I'll say this much.

I attempted and finished my first Ironman 4 months ago in Louisville. I didn't set any records on the marathon (hah!), but I finished, and I've been ecstatic about it ever since. It hardly feels like 4 months have passed. My body and mind have never revolted together for so long before.

It's been hard to train since then. I've only had the will to run a few miles here and there. I haven't swam a lap or biked a mile at all. I really wanted to hit the running hard this Christmas season since I work at a University and I get a lot of vacation time but instead, I've been moaning on the couch for days with the flu. Oh well.

There's a 5k mud run coming up in March and while I'm usually not too into those, since I'm more competitive with running than I am "just have fun," I'm designing the course so I'm definitely going to run it :p

Oh, and btw, my shoe of choice lately, that I've done an 8-mile mud run in (Super Spartan), almost all my training of 100s of miles, and the entirety of the marathon portion of the Ironman, is the Saucony Shay xc2. It's my dream shoe. If they go on sale again for 30 bucks, I'm going to buy a half dozen. I was crazy surprised how long they last. I've got to be around 600 or so miles on this pair that I'm still wearing. But you'll need good form. If you drag your feet, no shoe will last you that long. Just make sure that if you take a gamble on these that you don't get the spike version. They're intended for track and small feet. I'm super flat-footed and weigh about 165-175 depending on the season though so they're fairly forgiving.

Cheers
"Science has so well established that the preborn baby in the womb is a living human being that most pro-choice activists have conceded the point. ..since the abortion proponents have lost the science argument, they are now advocating an existential one."
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
December 29 2013 08:40 GMT
#2492
On December 29 2013 12:48 berated- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2013 12:32 L_Master wrote:
Everyone dead here lately

Had a nice session today of 10x400 w/2:00 jog recoveries. Went 88,86, 86, 85, 85, 83, 84, 83, 82, 69. Just a nice workout for gettin some turnover without being too stressful.


I moved and decided that being fat again is easier than running. I need to get back into it soon, after losing the 60 lbs and getting back into it I'm back up 20 lbs again





Thats rough man, 20 pounds is a decent bit. You were making some pretty sick progress though, and it's not like fitness vanishes overnight. Once you lose the weight again you'll be right back in the game

On December 29 2013 12:48 berated- wrote:
I'll get back into it eventually, it's just too easy to slip in the holiday season. Nice work on staying dedicated though. Great workout.


Thanks! Been nailing it so far this holiday season, down about 10 pounds in the last month and a half. Pretty much just said on holidays I can eat as much as I want (even if that is 2000+ surplus kcal), and then the day after eating roughly neutral. Rest of the time has been clean eating.

On December 29 2013 12:55 danl9rm wrote:
Ok, I know it's just a running thread, but I'll say this much.

I attempted and finished my first Ironman 4 months ago in Louisville. I didn't set any records on the marathon (hah!), but I finished, and I've been ecstatic about it ever since. It hardly feels like 4 months have passed. My body and mind have never revolted together for so long before.



Really awesome stuff man! An ironman is no joke, and is definitely an accomplishment just to finish one. It's one of those things that while I know with training I could do one fine, the thought of running a frickin MARATHON after biking 112 miles and swimming for an hour+ is just like...hell no, no way!

On December 29 2013 12:55 danl9rm wrote:
There's a 5k mud run coming up in March and while I'm usually not too into those, since I'm more competitive with running than I am "just have fun," I'm designing the course so I'm definitely going to run it :p


So you are RDing, or at least designing the course of your own mud run? Pretty cool stuff. If you want it to have a competitive feel, just set it up like a good tough, muddy XC course, without going into the realm of gimmicks.

On December 29 2013 12:55 danl9rm wrote:
I was crazy surprised how long they last. I've got to be around 600 or so miles on this pair that I'm still wearing. But you'll need good form. If you drag your feet, no shoe will last you that long. Just make sure that if you take a gamble on these that you don't get the spike version.


I'm the worst when it comes to shoes...I don't really replace them. Usually get about 1500-2000 miles on em before they start literally falling apart. Probably not the best habit, but never really had any injuries (well aside from this BS hip/groin stuff) so just kept doing it

EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
Don_Julio
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
2220 Posts
December 29 2013 10:51 GMT
#2493
@ berated-: Just get out there and run. The first few runs will be awful but you're going to back into your previous shape in no time.
You moved recently? Time to explore your neighbourhood via running. Find a nice 5k or 10k race in the next three months and prepare for it if you need longterm motivation.


There's a nice 10k race at New Year's Eve. I'd really like to participate but I gained 2kg over christmas and I think I lost my PR shape thanks to my hip issues. I don't want to risk a more serious injury either. My hip is fine again but I'm not running more than 30k at an easy pace per week at the moment. I'd totally run a sub 45:00 without the hip "injury".
Raidern
Profile Joined February 2005
Brazil3811 Posts
December 29 2013 14:23 GMT
#2494
Anyone here has chondromalascia patella? I've been diagnosed with it and it's getting very uncomfortable in the last few weeks. Any stretching or exercises that I can do that will help with it?
For the Swarm!
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
December 30 2013 02:09 GMT
#2495
On December 29 2013 23:23 Raidern wrote:
Anyone here has chondromalascia patella? I've been diagnosed with it and it's getting very uncomfortable in the last few weeks. Any stretching or exercises that I can do that will help with it?


I think generally it's just rest, and then once the pain is gone gradual reintroduction of running while focusing on hip and leg strengthening.
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
danl9rm
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States3111 Posts
December 31 2013 21:41 GMT
#2496
Hey, thanks for the encouragement.

I'm not RD'ing, just designing. It's supposed to be a fairly big event. It wasn't my idea, though, and it'll be more than just a cross country-esque course. It will have all kinds of crazy obstacles... which is why it's costing so much to build, hah. I'm going to keep it classy though. No dumb electrodes like 'tough mudder' or ice baths like 'warrior dash.' Ok, maybe an ice bath, haven't decided yet.

So, it will only be a 5k, but I don't expect anyone to cross the line within 35 mins.

About shoes, well, I'm the worst about logging my training. I usually know by how it's going as to what I need to do the next week. I don't follow a plan and I coach myself so I pay attention to my improvement and injuries more than anything. That said, I usually have no idea how many miles I have on my shoes. I just have to guess. I usually make them last multiple seasons though. They look pretty rough when I'm done with 'em. hah
"Science has so well established that the preborn baby in the womb is a living human being that most pro-choice activists have conceded the point. ..since the abortion proponents have lost the science argument, they are now advocating an existential one."
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
January 01 2014 08:23 GMT
#2497
No dumb electrodes like 'tough mudder'


Good call. I guess they haven't had major issues, but I just think it's a really dumb idea to mix running and electricity together. That's asking for a serious heart issue.

So, it will only be a 5k, but I don't expect anyone to cross the line within 35 mins.


What, are you gonna have obstacles that take like 5 minuter per obstacle to do?

Barring something like that, I don't care what you do to the course you aren't going to slow runners down by more than 30-60s a mile...so the good runners should still be knocking out 18 or better.
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
dudeman001
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2412 Posts
March 11 2014 02:40 GMT
#2498
Started running again after about a year and a half off.

Holy shit I suck again lol.
Sup.
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
March 11 2014 04:07 GMT
#2499
On March 11 2014 11:40 dudeman001 wrote:
Started running again after about a year and a half off.

Holy shit I suck again lol.


This is exactly me. I have the same thoughts.

On the positive note, I am officially beginning my comeback. I've survived the occasional run and race without problems. General plan is very gradual return. Probably about 15 mpw this month, increasing by maybe 10 each month.

If I get to 40 or so by late May and am still pain free, I evaluate the gameplan from there.

Very exciting...even if my fitness is way off what it was.
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
dudeman001
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2412 Posts
March 11 2014 05:07 GMT
#2500
On March 11 2014 13:07 L_Master wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2014 11:40 dudeman001 wrote:
Started running again after about a year and a half off.

Holy shit I suck again lol.


This is exactly me. I have the same thoughts.

On the positive note, I am officially beginning my comeback. I've survived the occasional run and race without problems. General plan is very gradual return. Probably about 15 mpw this month, increasing by maybe 10 each month.

If I get to 40 or so by late May and am still pain free, I evaluate the gameplan from there.

Very exciting...even if my fitness is way off what it was.

Progress will come! I hope you get back to how you used to be able to run. Good luck dude.
Sup.
Prev 1 123 124 125 126 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV European League
16:00
Swiss Groups Day 4
Krystianer vs ScarlettLIVE!
ByuN vs uThermal
Harstem vs HeRoMaRinE
WardiTV815
TKL 273
IndyStarCraft 258
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 437
TKL 273
IndyStarCraft 258
UpATreeSC 149
BRAT_OK 81
MindelVK 33
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 21917
BeSt 1077
EffOrt 733
firebathero 378
Light 181
Rush 166
PianO 122
Mind 90
Aegong 90
Movie 41
[ Show more ]
JulyZerg 37
sSak 24
GoRush 17
yabsab 13
scan(afreeca) 12
Bale 7
Shine 6
SilentControl 5
Dota 2
qojqva4239
monkeys_forever223
League of Legends
Dendi1724
Counter-Strike
pashabiceps702
flusha308
Other Games
FrodaN4546
B2W.Neo987
Beastyqt833
ceh9611
Lowko231
ToD164
oskar120
Skadoodle117
elazer114
QueenE71
Trikslyr69
ArmadaUGS68
Mew2King65
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick3241
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta17
• intothetv
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• IndyKCrew
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2420
League of Legends
• Nemesis3031
• Jankos1802
• TFBlade803
Other Games
• imaqtpie1227
• Shiphtur254
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Monday
6h 5m
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
22h 5m
Replay Cast
1d 6h
The PondCast
1d 16h
WardiTV European League
1d 22h
Replay Cast
2 days
Epic.LAN
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
Epic.LAN
3 days
CSO Contender
3 days
[ Show More ]
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
4 days
Bonyth vs Sziky
Dewalt vs Hawk
Hawk vs QiaoGege
Sziky vs Dewalt
Mihu vs Bonyth
Zhanhun vs QiaoGege
QiaoGege vs Fengzi
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
Online Event
4 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
5 days
Bonyth vs Zhanhun
Dewalt vs Mihu
Hawk vs Sziky
Sziky vs QiaoGege
Mihu vs Hawk
Zhanhun vs Dewalt
Fengzi vs Bonyth
Esports World Cup
6 days
ByuN vs Astrea
Lambo vs HeRoMaRinE
Clem vs TBD
Solar vs Zoun
SHIN vs Reynor
Maru vs TriGGeR
herO vs Lancer
Cure vs ShoWTimE
Liquipedia Results

Completed

2025 ACS Season 2: Qualifier
RSL Revival: Season 1
Murky Cup #2

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL20 Non-Korean Championship
Championship of Russia 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters

Upcoming

CSL Xiamen Invitational
CSL Xiamen Invitational: ShowMatche
2025 ACS Season 2
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
K-Championship
RSL Revival: Season 2
SEL Season 2 Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
FEL Cracov 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
Underdog Cup #2
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.