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On October 01 2011 07:58 stork4ever wrote:
L_Master: Thanks for the advice, I will start at the 20 mile tomorrow! 6 days a week is going to time consuming but no pain no gain!!
AirbladeOrange: I would like to hit the 16 min mark in a month though I've been hovering around my current time and I know progress cannot be rushed, so I think 2-2.5 months of hard training? Realistic?
Definitely realistic. Take L_Master's advice about running easier and more. Make sure you are building up mileage very gradually and if you feel hurt or fatigued you need to back off and adjust accordingly. Listen to your body and enjoy the process. GL!
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On September 23 2011 01:04 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2011 00:47 RHCPgergo wrote:
I want to start running, I will use this thread as a resource. Bookmarked, thank you! I will be continuing to add resources to the OP and such, and obvious feel free to ask questions, share training, post success stories, etc.
So I started running today. I ran ~5300 meters (3,3 miles) on a running track on Margaret Island in Budapest. Thats running through the track once. Unfortunately I forgot to measure my time. Oh well, I will do it next time. I plan on running at least 3 times a week, the same distance. The goal is to get accustomed to running and then slowly increase speed while avoiding injuries. Second goal is to increase length. My ultimate dream goal is to run a half marathon and later a marathon.
I ran this track earlier a few times before, but had to stop to walk a few times cause of exhaustion. Somehow I couldn't keep a slow pace and ran faster than I can in the long run. (hehe) This time I concentrated on going very slowly and pictured in my mind that I need to run again in 2 days, so I shouldn't be too tired at the end. I let others pass by me and didn't try to keep up with them. It actually worked and I didn't stop to walk at all. Yay!
Next time I will post my time and you guys can evaluate my training condition. Good luck to fellow runners! (Look how I already consider myself a "runner", lol.)
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This time I concentrated on going very slowly and pictured in my mind that I need to run again in 2 days, so I shouldn't be too tired at the end. I let others pass by me and didn't try to keep up with them. It actually worked and I didn't stop to walk at all. Yay!
Sounds like you got it figured out.
Next time I will post my time and you guys can evaluate my training condition. Good luck to fellow runners! (Look how I already consider myself a "runner", lol.)
Its a mindset. I know some very fast joggers as well as some slow runners.
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I've been trying to get into barefoot running for a few months now but found the threat of stepping on rocks/glass/whatever was messing with my focus too much. SO my five fingers came in the mail yesterday, took them for a run this morning, and they're great. I love them already.
I am in terrible shape though 
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YES!!
18:19 at CSU Homecoming 5K today. Looking pretty promising for breaking 18 before the end of my "season" at the end of October.
Pretty darn good race, except for about 600m of the final mile where I wussed it up a bit and backed off the pace some.
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On October 02 2011 03:50 L_Master wrote:
YES!!
18:19 at CSU Homecoming 5K today. Looking pretty promising for breaking 18 before the end of my "season" at the end of October.
Pretty darn good race, except for about 600m of the final mile where I wussed it up a bit and backed off the pace some.
nice, did you smoke some noobs?
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On October 02 2011 04:23 stork4ever wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 03:50 L_Master wrote:
YES!!
18:19 at CSU Homecoming 5K today. Looking pretty promising for breaking 18 before the end of my "season" at the end of October.
Pretty darn good race, except for about 600m of the final mile where I wussed it up a bit and backed off the pace some. nice, did you smoke some noobs?
I'd say so, 18th out of about 1300. Some 11 year old almost smoked me though, but I outkicked him the last 200m, but really 18:25 at 7000' altitude is one hell of a time for an 11 yr old.
Pretty different experience from the open collegiate race where I ran low 6 pace on a very difficult course and finished 131/135.
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Congrats L_Master! Keep knocking those times down!
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On October 02 2011 08:25 AirbladeOrange wrote:
Congrats L_Master! Keep knocking those times down!
Yeah congrats!
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Oh fun a running thread! My only running accomplishment was last year, Completed a half-marathon! im starting to run again the last couple weeks, trying to do another half-marathon.
It started rough, and took about 2 weeks for me to start feeling great after runs. But i trained for a solid month, with the half marathon in sight, and i get sick! lose 30 pounds and dont eat for a week. Missed out on doing the rock-n-roll marathon D:. Once i healed up i took 1 more month to train. Our 10 mile run course was actually harder than the actual 13. It was a blast! would do it again! i highly recommend doing a paid marathon. Especially if you can get a friend to join.
Age was - 19
Time - 1:41:58
Number - 666
Whats awesome about the 666 (my friend was 450, i dunno how they numbered ppl. We didnt choose), I didnt even know it was there until the end. We were 5 min late, barely caught ppl who had our numbers, i threw mine on and ran. I did look at it but thought 999 LOL. End of the race it got pointed out to me, i had no idea untill 10min after the race.
Running is amazing! it gives you such a high :D
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Ok, got another question about running shoes. Models and trends may be different in the states than over in europe but anyway.
When i started running i bought a pair of Adidas Supernova Sequence. They have A TON of moderation and are made for overpronation and more heavyweight runners (which im not, 70kg, 6 1"). Thus they weigh a lot (386 gramm per shoe) and i feel like i simply dont need them and they are not the best choice to run with for my 5k 18 minute flat goal on the road for next year.
When im running my distance spikes (Nike Zoom Rival D) i get no blisters or feel any discomfort at all either. They weigh 166g which is a big difference and i love it. So now my question: Is it just a mental thing or would more lightweight shoes (about 230-250g) improve my running on the streets and strengthen my muscles and feet because of the lack of moderation.
Im not interested in barefoot running, i just want a nice and fast shoe for tempo training and competition which doesnt cause injuries.
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On October 03 2011 06:09 Occultus wrote:
Ok, got another question about running shoes. Models and trends may be different in the states than over in europe but anyway.
When i started running i bought a pair of Adidas Supernova Sequence. They have A TON of moderation and are made for overpronation and more heavyweight runners (which im not, 70kg, 6 1"). Thus they weigh a lot (386 gramm per shoe) and i feel like i simply dont need them and they are not the best choice to run with for my 5k 18 minute flat goal on the road for next year.
When im running my distance spikes (Nike Zoom Rival D) i get no blisters or feel any discomfort at all either. They weigh 166g which is a big difference and i love it. So now my question: Is it just a mental thing or would more lightweight shoes (about 230-250g) improve my running on the streets and strengthen my muscles and feet because of the lack of moderation.
Im not interested in barefoot running, i just want a nice and fast shoe for tempo training and competition which doesnt cause injuries.
Some may disagree, but in my opinion the most important aspect of a training shoe is that it keeps you healthy. If you've been training well in your current shoes, I don't see any reason to change it unless you have the advice of a podiatrist or someone with extensive experience fitting runners with shoes. Personally I run every workout in trainers (Asics 2160s) even if it is 200m repeats. Save the light, fast shoes with no support for race day and spare yourself any additional injury risk in my opinion. Consider it an added bonus that you'll feel light, fast, and confident when you toe the line in your spikes.
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On October 03 2011 08:09 Runnin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2011 06:09 Occultus wrote:
Ok, got another question about running shoes. Models and trends may be different in the states than over in europe but anyway.
When i started running i bought a pair of Adidas Supernova Sequence. They have A TON of moderation and are made for overpronation and more heavyweight runners (which im not, 70kg, 6 1"). Thus they weigh a lot (386 gramm per shoe) and i feel like i simply dont need them and they are not the best choice to run with for my 5k 18 minute flat goal on the road for next year.
When im running my distance spikes (Nike Zoom Rival D) i get no blisters or feel any discomfort at all either. They weigh 166g which is a big difference and i love it. So now my question: Is it just a mental thing or would more lightweight shoes (about 230-250g) improve my running on the streets and strengthen my muscles and feet because of the lack of moderation.
Im not interested in barefoot running, i just want a nice and fast shoe for tempo training and competition which doesnt cause injuries.
Some may disagree, but in my opinion the most important aspect of a training shoe is that it keeps you healthy. If you've been training well in your current shoes, I don't see any reason to change it unless you have the advice of a podiatrist or someone with extensive experience fitting runners with shoes. Personally I run every workout in trainers (Asics 2160s) even if it is 200m repeats. Save the light, fast shoes with no support for race day and spare yourself any additional injury risk in my opinion. Consider it an added bonus that you'll feel light, fast, and confident when you toe the line in your spikes.
+10
Seriously, if your not getting any running injuries in your current shoes I honestly don't see any reason to change shoes. If your not getting injured in your spikes/fats either you can probably play it either way, though I'm not sure it really makes a difference either way. Maybe you can run your repeats a smidge faster but whether that is beneficial at all, who knows?
The real downside of wearing that kind of shoe for training all the time is cost. Flats tend to wear out alot faster, oftentimes 250 miles or less, whereas training you can usually get 500+.
EDIT: Nice wheels Runnin, I'd kill to have those. I can make some improvement there, but have my doubts I'll ever see <50.
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On October 03 2011 10:44 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2011 08:09 Runnin wrote:On October 03 2011 06:09 Occultus wrote:
Ok, got another question about running shoes. Models and trends may be different in the states than over in europe but anyway.
When i started running i bought a pair of Adidas Supernova Sequence. They have A TON of moderation and are made for overpronation and more heavyweight runners (which im not, 70kg, 6 1"). Thus they weigh a lot (386 gramm per shoe) and i feel like i simply dont need them and they are not the best choice to run with for my 5k 18 minute flat goal on the road for next year.
When im running my distance spikes (Nike Zoom Rival D) i get no blisters or feel any discomfort at all either. They weigh 166g which is a big difference and i love it. So now my question: Is it just a mental thing or would more lightweight shoes (about 230-250g) improve my running on the streets and strengthen my muscles and feet because of the lack of moderation.
Im not interested in barefoot running, i just want a nice and fast shoe for tempo training and competition which doesnt cause injuries.
Some may disagree, but in my opinion the most important aspect of a training shoe is that it keeps you healthy. If you've been training well in your current shoes, I don't see any reason to change it unless you have the advice of a podiatrist or someone with extensive experience fitting runners with shoes. Personally I run every workout in trainers (Asics 2160s) even if it is 200m repeats. Save the light, fast shoes with no support for race day and spare yourself any additional injury risk in my opinion. Consider it an added bonus that you'll feel light, fast, and confident when you toe the line in your spikes. +10 Seriously, if your not getting any running injuries in your current shoes I honestly don't see any reason to change shoes. If your not getting injured in your spikes/fats either you can probably play it either way, though I'm not sure it really makes a difference either way. Maybe you can run your repeats a smidge faster but whether that is beneficial at all, who knows? The real downside of wearing that kind of shoe for training all the time is cost. Flats tend to wear out alot faster, oftentimes 250 miles or less, whereas training you can usually get 500+. EDIT: Nice wheels Runnin, I'd kill to have those. I can make some improvement there, but have my doubts I'll ever see <50.
Thanks, this thread (and the other one) that you've made are fantastic by the way. You really know your stuff and it's great that people are learning and achieving their goals here. Keep us posted on your results.
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On October 03 2011 06:09 Occultus wrote:
Ok, got another question about running shoes. Models and trends may be different in the states than over in europe but anyway.
When i started running i bought a pair of Adidas Supernova Sequence. They have A TON of moderation and are made for overpronation and more heavyweight runners (which im not, 70kg, 6 1"). Thus they weigh a lot (386 gramm per shoe) and i feel like i simply dont need them and they are not the best choice to run with for my 5k 18 minute flat goal on the road for next year.
When im running my distance spikes (Nike Zoom Rival D) i get no blisters or feel any discomfort at all either. They weigh 166g which is a big difference and i love it. So now my question: Is it just a mental thing or would more lightweight shoes (about 230-250g) improve my running on the streets and strengthen my muscles and feet because of the lack of moderation.
Im not interested in barefoot running, i just want a nice and fast shoe for tempo training and competition which doesnt cause injuries.
Next time you go to buy shoes just try out some neutral or light ones and see how you like them. Staying injury free is important, yes, but maybe there is a better shoe out there for you. Try out the possibilities and if you go to a specialty store consider what they have to say as well.
It took me a while to find my favorite shoes. Unfortunately they keep taking my favorites off the market and I have to keep trying others out.
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Hey guys, I've started running at the gym recently (like about 2 weeks) and was just wondering if I am doing too much or if I'm on the right track. I've always loved to run but for some reason I just didn't go, probably cause of school and hanging out with friend or even a lot of Starcraft lol.
Age: 21
Height: 177.5cm
Weight: 187 lbs
Yeah, I'm a bit on the overweight side, but that's why I'm doing this. Not to just lose the weight but to be healthy and run a lot. Anyway here's what I do:
It roughly takes me 15 min to run a mile (yeah I know, pathetic) with at least 2 miles every time I run, but I don't really feel exhausted if I run for four miles. I really try to get to the treadmill 3 times a week, since it's getting cold and all, or more. Since I started to run, my goal is to be a distance runner and yes I'm aware that will take a while. You could say a shorter goal for me is to run a mile in less that 10 min.
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On October 04 2011 15:44 Skyu wrote:
Hey guys, I've started running at the gym recently (like about 2 weeks) and was just wondering if I am doing too much or if I'm on the right track. I've always loved to run but for some reason I just didn't go, probably cause of school and hanging out with friend or even a lot of Starcraft lol.
Age: 21
Height: 177.5cm
Weight: 187 lbs
Yeah, I'm a bit on the overweight side, but that's why I'm doing this. Not to just lose the weight but to be healthy and run a lot. Anyway here's what I do:
It roughly takes me 15 min to run a mile (yeah I know, pathetic) with at least 2 miles every time I run, but I don't really feel exhausted if I run for four miles. I really try to get to the treadmill 3 times a week, since it's getting cold and all, or more. Since I started to run, my goal is to be a distance runner and yes I'm aware that will take a while. You could say a shorter goal for me is to run a mile in less that 10 min.
3 times a week should get you to your goal if you keep it up through the winter. You're hardly overweight, if at all, and some of that will come off as a result of your training. Could you clarify what you mean by "I don't really feel exhausted"? If you generally run 2 miles, but can do 4 that comfortably at the same pace you may need to either pick up the pace slightly (and gradually) or increase the distance (again slightly and gradually). You shouldn't be ready to pass out when you finish, but you definitely should feel some level of discomfort. I think the general rule of thumb is a 10% increase in either pace or distance weekly or bi-weekly is fairly safe, anything more than that is iffy. Just trust your body, if it's telling you that you can do more, then next week add 10% - if you're feeling sore or sluggish consider backing off a little bit.
I'd advise against sticking to the treadmill though, even when it gets cold out try to do at least some if not all of your running outside. With 2-4 mile runs it shouldn't be too difficult to find a nice loop with shoveled sidewalks or streets. You don't necessarily need to go spend any money on fancy under-armor shirts to keep you warm, any old long-sleeve shirt/sweatshirt will work (whatever you're comfortable in depending on how cold it is). Perhaps you're stronger than I am, but if I was stuck on a treadmill for the next 6 months I would get Jack Nicholson level cabin fever.
You say your goal is to be a distance runner - don't sell yourself short. Just by going out and running regularly you ARE a distance runner. Take pride in the fact that you are setting goals and working towards achieving them.
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On October 04 2011 16:35 Runnin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 15:44 Skyu wrote:
Hey guys, I've started running at the gym recently (like about 2 weeks) and was just wondering if I am doing too much or if I'm on the right track. I've always loved to run but for some reason I just didn't go, probably cause of school and hanging out with friend or even a lot of Starcraft lol.
Age: 21
Height: 177.5cm
Weight: 187 lbs
Yeah, I'm a bit on the overweight side, but that's why I'm doing this. Not to just lose the weight but to be healthy and run a lot. Anyway here's what I do:
It roughly takes me 15 min to run a mile (yeah I know, pathetic) with at least 2 miles every time I run, but I don't really feel exhausted if I run for four miles. I really try to get to the treadmill 3 times a week, since it's getting cold and all, or more. Since I started to run, my goal is to be a distance runner and yes I'm aware that will take a while. You could say a shorter goal for me is to run a mile in less that 10 min. 3 times a week should get you to your goal if you keep it up through the winter. You're hardly overweight, if at all, and some of that will come off as a result of your training. Could you clarify what you mean by "I don't really feel exhausted"? If you generally run 2 miles, but can do 4 that comfortably at the same pace you may need to either pick up the pace slightly (and gradually) or increase the distance (again slightly and gradually). You shouldn't be ready to pass out when you finish, but you definitely should feel some level of discomfort. I think the general rule of thumb is a 10% increase in either pace or distance weekly or bi-weekly is fairly safe, anything more than that is iffy. Just trust your body, if it's telling you that you can do more, then next week add 10% - if you're feeling sore or sluggish consider backing off a little bit. I'd advise against sticking to the treadmill though, even when it gets cold out try to do at least some if not all of your running outside. With 2-4 mile runs it shouldn't be too difficult to find a nice loop with shoveled sidewalks or streets. You don't necessarily need to go spend any money on fancy under-armor shirts to keep you warm, any old long-sleeve shirt/sweatshirt will work (whatever you're comfortable in depending on how cold it is). Perhaps you're stronger than I am, but if I was stuck on a treadmill for the next 6 months I would get Jack Nicholson level cabin fever. You say your goal is to be a distance runner - don't sell yourself short. Just by going out and running regularly you ARE a distance runner. Take pride in the fact that you are setting goals and working towards achieving them.
To be honest I love running on the treadmill, I love the atmosphere and the tvs are there so I can watch my football games when they're on. Anyway I guess running at a faster pace should be my goal now since I know I can run 4 miles without feeling any effects from it, except for that runners high. I stopped running for a week cause of being busy with school work and other things but I'm getting right back on it. Since I'm on a treadmill I can say I can run comfortably 5mph for a good while, probably up to a mile without stopping. So I'll try kicking it up a bit to get a better time, I'll keep you guys posted
Thanks a lot!
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On October 05 2011 04:28 Skyu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 16:35 Runnin wrote:On October 04 2011 15:44 Skyu wrote:
Hey guys, I've started running at the gym recently (like about 2 weeks) and was just wondering if I am doing too much or if I'm on the right track. I've always loved to run but for some reason I just didn't go, probably cause of school and hanging out with friend or even a lot of Starcraft lol.
Age: 21
Height: 177.5cm
Weight: 187 lbs
Yeah, I'm a bit on the overweight side, but that's why I'm doing this. Not to just lose the weight but to be healthy and run a lot. Anyway here's what I do:
It roughly takes me 15 min to run a mile (yeah I know, pathetic) with at least 2 miles every time I run, but I don't really feel exhausted if I run for four miles. I really try to get to the treadmill 3 times a week, since it's getting cold and all, or more. Since I started to run, my goal is to be a distance runner and yes I'm aware that will take a while. You could say a shorter goal for me is to run a mile in less that 10 min. 3 times a week should get you to your goal if you keep it up through the winter. You're hardly overweight, if at all, and some of that will come off as a result of your training. Could you clarify what you mean by "I don't really feel exhausted"? If you generally run 2 miles, but can do 4 that comfortably at the same pace you may need to either pick up the pace slightly (and gradually) or increase the distance (again slightly and gradually). You shouldn't be ready to pass out when you finish, but you definitely should feel some level of discomfort. I think the general rule of thumb is a 10% increase in either pace or distance weekly or bi-weekly is fairly safe, anything more than that is iffy. Just trust your body, if it's telling you that you can do more, then next week add 10% - if you're feeling sore or sluggish consider backing off a little bit. I'd advise against sticking to the treadmill though, even when it gets cold out try to do at least some if not all of your running outside. With 2-4 mile runs it shouldn't be too difficult to find a nice loop with shoveled sidewalks or streets. You don't necessarily need to go spend any money on fancy under-armor shirts to keep you warm, any old long-sleeve shirt/sweatshirt will work (whatever you're comfortable in depending on how cold it is). Perhaps you're stronger than I am, but if I was stuck on a treadmill for the next 6 months I would get Jack Nicholson level cabin fever. You say your goal is to be a distance runner - don't sell yourself short. Just by going out and running regularly you ARE a distance runner. Take pride in the fact that you are setting goals and working towards achieving them. To be honest I love running on the treadmill, I love the atmosphere and the tvs are there so I can watch my football games when they're on. Anyway I guess running at a faster pace should be my goal now since I know I can run 4 miles without feeling any effects from it, except for that runners high. I stopped running for a week cause of being busy with school work and other things but I'm getting right back on it. Since I'm on a treadmill I can say I can run comfortably 5mph for a good while, probably up to a mile without stopping. So I'll try kicking it up a bit to get a better time, I'll keep you guys posted Thanks a lot!
I dont understand your kind. 
In all seriousness though, if you enjoy it, go for it.
You say you can only run a mile in 15 minutes...but then go on to say you can run comfortable for a good while at 5 mph, which is 12 minute pace. Now if you can run 12 minute pace, and have it feel comfortably for the duration of a 3-4 mile run, your capable of running under 10 without a doubt, and more than likely under 9.
As far as training, you don't really need to worry about a faster pace yet. Run at a pace that is comfortable and easy for you. It should feel relaxed and conversation, with you being able to spit out several sentences and not be desperately gasping for air.
Build your frequency first, adding a day more of running each week. If one week feels particularly tough, repeat it. Then add another day the next week. Build to 6 or 7 days, then extend the mileage, adding maybe 3-5 extra miles per week until your running 30-40 mpw. After a month at that sort of mileage, if you feel up to it, we can consider some faster running. At this point the best thing you can for staying injury free, and for your fitness, is general aerobic running at an easy pace. You'll see the fastest gains at your current level of fitness and experience just from running alot more, not to mention the easy running strengthens bones, tendons, and connective tissue so that your better prepared for when you do decide to add in some faster, harder efforts.
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i dont like this subforum.
I love the advice I'm getting in the running thread and am motivated to get started on the program. Then I read another thread and I am motivated to do some lifting! Running is a priority for me, but is there any lifting programs you guys do to help the run? Or is lifting not a good idea when trying to increase aerobic capacity??
btw did 4 miles today, slowed down considerably on the last mile, but still loved it!
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