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L_Master
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Strong field to, big names include: Geoffrey Mutai - Kenya – 32 years old – 2:04:15 (loop) PR, 2:03:02 point-to-point – 2:05:06 course record Tsagaye Kebede - Ethiopia – 26 years old – 2:04:38 PR – 3rd in New York in 2011 Stanley Biwott - Kenya – 27 years old – 2:05:12 PR - will be first time running New York Martin Lel - Kenya - 2:05:15 pr - one of the more successful marathoners of all time Stephen Kiprotich - Uganda – 24 years old – 2:07:20 PR – Reigning Olympic and World Champion – New York debut Wesley Korir - 30 years old – 2:06:13 PR – New York debut (2012 Boston champ) Peter Kirui – Kenya - 25 years old – 2:06:31 PR – New York debut | ||
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L_Master
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 Nothing too crazy to report from the running world as far as the "sport" goes. As for myself, ran 19:51 at a local 5k a week ago. Pretty satisfied with the result, as it shows I'm actually gaining a little fitness just from bumping up my elliptical/stair/stationary regimene despite being limited to running once a week or so at best. Really working hard to stay focused on dropping the weight, down again at 160. If I can keep good focus and not given into the temptation to devour junk food like a monster I'll be ready to do some damage in late Dec/Jan. I guess my goal is to try and get near my old PRs with good solid cross training and a focus on proper diet. I'm not sure if it's achievable, but even if the times don't come around it still puts me in prime spot for when I am able to train again. | ||
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craz3d
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On October 20 2013 11:28 YPang wrote: anyone have had IT band syndrome? I got it like 3 weeks ago, i'm on the recovering process. Haven't ran much in those 3 weeks, biked and swam to make up for it. Have a marathon next sunday. Gonna try to run it, not gonna get any PR's though... How did you guys deal with your previous ITBS if u guys got it before? I might have had it a couple years ago-- if you're talking about pain on the side of the patella not even 1 mile into your run irregardless of stretching, rest and running speed. The problem went away completely when I got some custom orthotics made. I don't know how much they cost these days since I've been using the same orthotics for about 4-5 years. The cost was $500 and my university insurance covered about $400 of the cost. Good luck. | ||
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AirbladeOrange
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L_Master
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On November 21 2013 08:58 AirbladeOrange wrote: University insurance? I checked into getting that for myself back in the day and I found out that the only way I could get a 400-500 dollar payout is if I literally lost a limb. I would get $400-$500 per limb lost. Wait wtf, they actually paid out some static amount of money per limb lost? | ||
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AirbladeOrange
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On November 21 2013 15:26 L_Master wrote: Wait wtf, they actually paid out some static amount of money per limb lost? Yes. And an amount that would barely cover any medical expenses resulting from it. | ||
micronesia
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You're correct though that running 250 some odd meters hard at the end of a mile will produce a different feeling, it's intense anaerobic work at that point. This might suprise you, but for the last 200m of your mile you could actually run pretty near that pace you ran (5:10 pace) for that .16M block. You don't realize the capacity for the kick unless you try it, and at the end of the mile are probably thinking "no way can I possibly speed up, I'm too tired and it hurts to much", but when you commit to it and just go for it...you discover it is possible. If you do really short sprints (5-10s ALL OUT) with long recover (5+ min), you are actually utilizing still a different system, the creatine-phosphate one, and won't find those painful at all...at least until the next morning  PS: You won't have lost much fitness at all, a month isn't enough time for any significant losses. You'll be slower for the first few runs as you probably lost the edges of your lung/tissue elasticity, but after a few runs you will be right back where you were. One more thing I'd mention is that unless you KNOW you are better from your injury, doing a hard, race effort is the worst thing you can do and fastest route to re-injury. | ||
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micronesia
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Thanks L_Master. Can you also specify what the benefits would be of doing 5-10 s very fast sprints? I mean aside from the obvious benefit of getting better at running really fast for 5-10 s. | ||
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Don_Julio
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I basically have to run two times at the weekend but that means to stop drinking alcohol. It doesn't help that my next big race is almost five months away. I need a 10k in the foreseeable future to get some kind of motivation. But it's the runner's off-season and I haven't found a race close to me yet. [/qq] I'm still in good shape though. Had a temporun over ~10k this week and I was almost at PR pace accidentally. | ||
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L_Master
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Can you also specify what the benefits would be of doing 5-10 s very fast sprints? I mean aside from the obvious benefit of getting better at running really fast for 5-10 s. Pure speed. It also helps running economy (essentially "costs less oxygen" to run a given pace) Speed matters for running quite a bit, not just for sprinters. To explain why lets look at a Kenenisa Bekele, who runs a 5k in 12:37. That is 60.5 seconds per lap (400m). The average male cannot sprint this fast all out for 100m, let alone 400m. Even if he had "infinite endurance" he would be unable to run 5k as fast as Bekele. Yes, you can make the argument: I'm training to run a 7:00 mile, everyone has enough speed for that. In one sense you are very correct. Endurance is probably like 99.99% of running a 7:00 mile, and the idea of training ones sprint speed to be fast and require "less" endurance to better 7 minutes is comical. However, to seemingly contradict myself, a little max speed training is NOT a waste of time. Reason one I already mentioned is that it improves economy some, making you more efficient at any given pace. Reason two, is that once adapted to short hill sprints, they are excellent for strengthening running muscles and generally believed to help with injury resistance. Final reason is if your goal is to see how good you can get...then you can't neglect your top speed. It isn't important for breaking 7 minutes, but as you start to talk about anything faster than 5; you get into the realm where you find people who aren't fast enough to do it. | ||
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AirbladeOrange
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On November 22 2013 07:19 L_Master wrote: Oh I thought you had some like groin or leg pain...so nvm. Pure speed. It also helps running economy (essentially "costs less oxygen" to run a given pace) Speed matters for running quite a bit, not just for sprinters. To explain why lets look at a Kenenisa Bekele, who runs a 5k in 12:37. That is 60.5 seconds per lap (400m). The average male cannot sprint this fast all out for 100m, let alone 400m. Even if he had "infinite endurance" he would be unable to run 5k as fast as Bekele. Yes, you can make the argument: I'm training to run a 7:00 mile, everyone has enough speed for that. In one sense you are very correct. Endurance is probably like 99.99% of running a 7:00 mile, and the idea of training ones sprint speed to be fast and require "less" endurance to better 7 minutes is comical. However, to seemingly contradict myself, a little max speed training is NOT a waste of time. Reason one I already mentioned is that it improves economy some, making you more efficient at any given pace. Reason two, is that once adapted to short hill sprints, they are excellent for strengthening running muscles and generally believed to help with injury resistance. Final reason is if your goal is to see how good you can get...then you can't neglect your top speed. It isn't important for breaking 7 minutes, but as you start to talk about anything faster than 5; you get into the realm where you find people who aren't fast enough to do it. Yesyesyes. This reminds me of that guy who was trying to argue that speed was useless for distance running. It's great for increasing your strength, efficiency, and resistance to injuries. It's easy to train and takes up much less time than endurance training. A little bit of fast speed training goes a long way. | ||
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micronesia
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I know jogging is quite different than 'tennis running' though. I guess a good way to improve your footwork for tennis would be cone drills and the like? | ||
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L_Master
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I'm working my way back, but it's definitely a little tough mentally to be running 800m repeats at a pace you used to be able to cruise comfortably for an hour. Still not back to running consistently yet, I just play it on a day to day basis. Going to be interesting to see the difference in my running when I get back to the weight I was at...given that my training now is 90% elliptical/stairmaster/stationary bike. On November 25 2013 00:13 micronesia wrote: Just want to point out I've been playing tennis with a friend lately (after having not played for many years) and I'm really pleased with my ability to move around the court. I'm guessing the work I've done on improving my running the past several months has been a big help. I can only think of like one or two shots I missed because I couldn't run fast/efficient enough to get there, even though I felt like I had a chance. On the other hand, I hit quite a number of shots that my friend couldn't get to! I know jogging is quite different than 'tennis running' though. I guess a good way to improve your footwork for tennis would be cone drills and the like? A little surprising that your running has helped so much with tennis. Distance stuff usually doesn't help a ton with agility or sprint running...but I suppose it is possible that just having done so much of it you got a little more efficient from a neuromuscular standpoint. I guess a good way to improve your footwork for tennis would be cone drills and the like? Yea basically. Agility drills, sprints, plyometrics, etc. would be your typical "athletic running" type of training. | ||
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L_Master
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Also damn. Holidays. Right when I was making some nice progress with my diet. Guess I just gotta make sure I only eat like crazy on the actual holidays themselves...and not now until new years. | ||
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Don_Julio
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I'm totally surprised with my running at the moment. I run increased paces (About 10 sec/km faster than two months ago) at all runs without even trying. I guess the HM training is kicking in now -.- Was running at the track today for the first time in 8 weeks.10x400m (with 200m recovery ofc), and I ran way faster than I planned to. I wanted to run the 400m in 1:40 but ended up running them in 1:36-1:38 in all but the ninth round. Put some more effort into the last round and finished it in 1:32 while not feeling too awful in the end. I couldn't maintain 1:42 for four laps two months ago. My knee hurts a little though. I have to be careful with fast paces for the next week and see how it deals with my long run at the weekend. | ||
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L_Master
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On November 29 2013 08:29 Don_Julio wrote: How is your injury doing? Is it manageable while running some tougher runs? . Not that well. I don't have the money for lots of medical visits. The current opinion of the orthopedic guy I saw is that he feels it is muscular thing and should resolve with time...but feck 1 year is a LONG time of being out. I'd love to get a second/third opinion but with deductibles and stuff that isn't really a possibility. I can do harder efforts, but just not much. Usually I can do a run or two a week but the frustrating part is not knowing for sure if that could be dealing the healing process. Some runs it feels almost fine afterwords, on others it doesn't hurt, but I can tell that something doesn't feel "right" and if I take my right foot and try to pull my left foot more left it creates a difficult to localize deep ache feeling. I can still run okay though off my cross training, especially being at +15 pounds from before, and 25+ above ideal weight. Did 7 miles in 55 min today just cruisin nicely. Was running at the track today for the first time in 8 weeks.10x400m (with 200m recovery ofc), and I ran way faster than I planned to. I wanted to run the 400m in 1:40 but ended up running them in 1:36-1:38 in all but the ninth round. Put some more effort into the last round and finished it in 1:32 while not feeling too awful in the end. I couldn't maintain 1:42 for four laps two months ago. Nice progress! That looks like a very promising start for a sub 20 or better. | ||
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micronesia
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