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L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
October 15 2013 21:05 GMT
#2381
Micronesia, you say hip flexor problem, so I assume you are talking about illiacus/psoas issue? If so, I'm curious as to what you are doing to treat it and to what extent it is working.

Even moreso, what are your symptoms? I'm still in the hunt for what exactly my issue is, and am beginning to wonder if it could be a combination of several problems.
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24700 Posts
October 15 2013 21:11 GMT
#2382
On October 16 2013 06:05 L_Master wrote:
Micronesia, you say hip flexor problem, so I assume you are talking about illiacus/psoas issue? If so, I'm curious as to what you are doing to treat it and to what extent it is working.

Even moreso, what are your symptoms? I'm still in the hunt for what exactly my issue is, and am beginning to wonder if it could be a combination of several problems.

Unfortunately my lack of expertise on this topic makes it a bit hard for me to talk about it through text...

What I started doing a couple of weeks ago is to stretch and foam roll my legs every day (twice on workout days). I'm being careful to ensure I always warm up before I stretch or work out as well. Finally I'm being careful to back off when I feel my leg starting to bother me. It has helped, but the problem has not gone away.

Basically I start to get pain around where the top/front of the thigh meets the hip, when I use my legs for a motion that requires me to move my knees forward (such as running) or up towards my chest.
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LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-16 01:40:57
October 16 2013 01:34 GMT
#2383
Due to the government shutdown the Marine Corps Marathon is in serious doubt at the moment, an ominous post on the MCM facebook page today basically said to expect an announcement by Saturday 10/19. Nobody is expecting good news though...

If it ends up getting canceled I'm seriously going to just try and find another marathon to run within the next 1-2 months, if I have to fly somewhere I'm fuckin flyin, been basically training 4+ months for this and I'm in such good shape right now! ugh!!

Edit: The hip flexor issue could just be a result of muscle weakness, I used to have the same thing, I started doing hip flexor and glute strength training and it basically resolved my issues making the whole hip/glute area on my legs stronger. Running alone doesn't really build any of the horizontal/side to side muscle strength for that area of your leg, I picked up one of those elastic band things and started doing stuff like this+ Show Spoiler +
and it really helped alot.
AirbladeOrange
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2573 Posts
October 16 2013 16:09 GMT
#2384
On October 16 2013 04:54 micronesia wrote:
For those who don't follow the Q&A thread, I have been trying to improve the hip flexor problem I've been having for months now, and things are better but not 100%.

I find running is difficult. You have to really be confident in your ability to meet your goals. You have to be focused and strong-willed. When you are constantly worrying about your leg it's hard as hell to run to your full potential.

I've learned to tell when my leg is starting to bother me and to back off (it happened today) instead of finishing the run. However, I find lately even when my leg isn't bothering me I'm so worried about it that I feel mentally exhausted early in the run... is that normal?


I've had a similar issue where I'd be constantly worrying about my shins while running. What I did is think about how strong they are and how I did and am doing everything I can to stay healthy. And I knew if I had even a small tiny problem with them I would stop running and assess the situation. Usually if you are in tune with your body and shut your activity down if you suspect anything is starting to go wrong you will be okay. It's when you keep pushing your body through an injury that makes it really bad.

So I guess it's just positive, confident thinking and knowing even if you do have a small problem you will catch it quickly and it probably won't be a big deal.
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-17 15:31:01
October 17 2013 15:29 GMT
#2385
Never knew we had this thread here!

I love running. Recently ran my first 20K in September, and finished in 1h58min ,my goal was 2h so I was pumped, especially since the conditions were awful (90% humidity). However, since then I've had pretty bad arch pain in my left foot which i'm 99% sure is related to plantar fasciitis based on other symptoms. To let it heal i've been taking a lot of time off and it's been tough to find another way to simultaneously exercise and let off steam that's as effective as running.
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Bentus
Profile Joined May 2012
Germany86 Posts
October 18 2013 22:31 GMT
#2386
Tommorrow I am going to have my second attempt running 10km sub 40. This time, the course is flat.Basically, there is just a bridge over an highway which you have to cross 6times. I am pretty pumped because my traings results have been decent and I think I can make it, if everything works out fine. One week ago, I ran a 5k after 1,5hours of cycling and a 11km hill run in 46min the day before in 19:20.So, I will update you guys tomorrow!
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
October 18 2013 22:38 GMT
#2387
19:20 5k is more than good enough for sub 40 especially if run on tired legs. As long as you are recovered you should have no problems.

Actually looking at the fact you are casually dropping 4:10 k's over hilly terrain I wouldn't be surprised if you get near 39 than 40.
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Don_Julio
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
2220 Posts
October 18 2013 22:52 GMT
#2388
I wish you the best of luck Bentus. The bridges will hurt but you seem well prepared. I believe.

Any news on your Marathon, LuckyFool?


Sunday is my Half-Marathon. This race has been my biggest goal for the last three months. I'm targeting sub 1:43 and maybe sub 1:42 if everything works out perfectly. The weather is going to be perfect for running. Up to 20°C and no rain at noon.
I'm scared :-( And excited :-)
Raidern
Profile Joined February 2005
Brazil3811 Posts
October 19 2013 21:56 GMT
#2389
had my first 5km race today, did it on 23:27, i'm so happy. Started running regularly nearly 2 months ago. Looking forward to do a sub 20:00 in a few months
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Bentus
Profile Joined May 2012
Germany86 Posts
October 19 2013 22:57 GMT
#2390
I failed... Had to throw up after the second round... I blame an apple energy bar which I ate 1hour before. But I will keep running as much as I can and if think next race I am going to break it finally.
YPang
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States4024 Posts
October 20 2013 02:28 GMT
#2391
anyone have had IT band syndrome? I got it like 3 weeks ago, i'm on the recovering process. Haven't ran much in those 3 weeks, biked and swam to make up for it. Have a marathon next sunday. Gonna try to run it, not gonna get any PR's though...

How did you guys deal with your previous ITBS if u guys got it before?
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L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
October 20 2013 04:33 GMT
#2392
On October 20 2013 11:28 YPang wrote:
anyone have had IT band syndrome? I got it like 3 weeks ago, i'm on the recovering process. Haven't ran much in those 3 weeks, biked and swam to make up for it. Have a marathon next sunday. Gonna try to run it, not gonna get any PR's though...

How did you guys deal with your previous ITBS if u guys got it before?


Didn't you just run a marathon recently...or am I remembering wrong?

On October 20 2013 07:57 Bentus wrote:
I failed... Had to throw up after the second round... I blame an apple energy bar which I ate 1hour before. But I will keep running as much as I can and if think next race I am going to break it finally.


Well, you're plenty fit enough. I really think you can flirt with 38:xx in the right race on a good course.

What was the final result?

On October 20 2013 06:56 Raidern wrote:
had my first 5km race today, did it on 23:27, i'm so happy. Started running regularly nearly 2 months ago. Looking forward to do a sub 20:00 in a few months


Nice job!

What is the gameplan for your training to get to sub 20?
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
YPang
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States4024 Posts
October 20 2013 12:28 GMT
#2393
On October 20 2013 13:33 L_Master wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2013 11:28 YPang wrote:
anyone have had IT band syndrome? I got it like 3 weeks ago, i'm on the recovering process. Haven't ran much in those 3 weeks, biked and swam to make up for it. Have a marathon next sunday. Gonna try to run it, not gonna get any PR's though...

How did you guys deal with your previous ITBS if u guys got it before?


Didn't you just run a marathon recently...or am I remembering wrong?

haha well in april, dont know if that should be considered recent.
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AirbladeOrange
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2573 Posts
October 20 2013 12:39 GMT
#2394
On October 20 2013 11:28 YPang wrote:
anyone have had IT band syndrome? I got it like 3 weeks ago, i'm on the recovering process. Haven't ran much in those 3 weeks, biked and swam to make up for it. Have a marathon next sunday. Gonna try to run it, not gonna get any PR's though...

How did you guys deal with your previous ITBS if u guys got it before?


Yeah I had it really bad back in high school. I got it by not running much over the summer then going to a running camp and doing way much more than I had been doing. I tried doing various stretches but I'm not convinced they did anything. It was one of those I had to just not run for a while and wait for myself to heal. I had it really bad though. I could barely walk because it hurt like hell to bend my knee. If you've been running, even a little, you definitely don't have a severe case. Just do the usual and monitor it and make sure it's not getting worse and preferably is getting better.
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
October 20 2013 15:11 GMT
#2395
On October 20 2013 21:28 YPang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2013 13:33 L_Master wrote:
On October 20 2013 11:28 YPang wrote:
anyone have had IT band syndrome? I got it like 3 weeks ago, i'm on the recovering process. Haven't ran much in those 3 weeks, biked and swam to make up for it. Have a marathon next sunday. Gonna try to run it, not gonna get any PR's though...

How did you guys deal with your previous ITBS if u guys got it before?


Didn't you just run a marathon recently...or am I remembering wrong?

haha well in april, dont know if that should be considered recent.


Ah, not not at all. For some reason I was thinking you had run one a couple months ago. Two or three a year is good...more than that and you can start getting into trouble, and definitely won't perform optimally.
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
Don_Julio
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
2220 Posts
October 20 2013 16:45 GMT
#2396
On October 20 2013 07:57 Bentus wrote:
I failed... Had to throw up after the second round... I blame an apple energy bar which I ate 1hour before. But I will keep running as much as I can and if think next race I am going to break it finally.


That sucks. Never try to eat something before a race that you haven't tested before. Well, hindsight is 10/10.

I finished my HM with 1:42:14 and I'm really happy. I missed the first six kilometre signs so I had to run with my gut, but it worked out quite nicely. I was two minutes too fast at 10k so I had to pay the price later but I still met my goal time. My body feels like trash right now just like it's supposed to feel. The weather was beautiful, many people at the course cheering us on and I finished ahead of my aunt (who placed 1st at her age group).
Next stop: 30k hill race in the spring. Winter is coming, though.
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
October 21 2013 00:02 GMT
#2397
On October 19 2013 07:52 Don_Julio wrote:
I wish you the best of luck Bentus. The bridges will hurt but you seem well prepared. I believe.

Any news on your Marathon, LuckyFool?


Sunday is my Half-Marathon. This race has been my biggest goal for the last three months. I'm targeting sub 1:43 and maybe sub 1:42 if everything works out perfectly. The weather is going to be perfect for running. Up to 20°C and no rain at noon.
I'm scared :-( And excited :-)


My marathon is on! It's exactly one week from today and will be my first, I'm actually not nervous at all anymore, pure excitement at this point.

Probably because I feel really good, all training has gone decently, I did a 22 mile training run a couple weeks ago and it went well, that was my longest training run to date. I've done a couple other 18 milers, averaging about 40-50mpw the past month.

Shooting for anything sub 4 hours as far as finishing time.
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
October 21 2013 00:30 GMT
#2398
On October 21 2013 09:02 LuckyFool wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2013 07:52 Don_Julio wrote:
I wish you the best of luck Bentus. The bridges will hurt but you seem well prepared. I believe.

Any news on your Marathon, LuckyFool?


Sunday is my Half-Marathon. This race has been my biggest goal for the last three months. I'm targeting sub 1:43 and maybe sub 1:42 if everything works out perfectly. The weather is going to be perfect for running. Up to 20°C and no rain at noon.
I'm scared :-( And excited :-)


My marathon is on! It's exactly one week from today and will be my first, I'm actually not nervous at all anymore, pure excitement at this point.

Probably because I feel really good, all training has gone decently, I did a 22 mile training run a couple weeks ago and it went well, that was my longest training run to date. I've done a couple other 18 milers, averaging about 40-50mpw the past month.

Shooting for anything sub 4 hours as far as finishing time.


Hit the first 10k in 57:30-58 min. Trying to bank time earlier will get you killed late, unless you are lucky enough to be WAY fitter than what you are aiming for. Not to mention it's much easier to ease your way into a good rhythm starting from a slightly slower one.

It's REALLY easy to go out too fast at a marathon, with the race energy and how slow the pace is relatively speaking. If you hit that first mile in well under 9, don't be afraid to hit back the next one off near 10.
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
Raidern
Profile Joined February 2005
Brazil3811 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-21 13:52:37
October 21 2013 13:13 GMT
#2399
On October 20 2013 13:33 L_Master wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2013 06:56 Raidern wrote:
had my first 5km race today, did it on 23:27, i'm so happy. Started running regularly nearly 2 months ago. Looking forward to do a sub 20:00 in a few months


Nice job!

What is the gameplan for your training to get to sub 20?



long runs + interval trainings

anyway my calves feel really heavy as if i just went to the gym for the first time. that's because of a 100m ramp (going down), where i needed to slow down and really felt i was using my calves a lot.

should i skip training or make a slow long recovery run?[/QUOTE]
For the Swarm!
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-21 18:14:12
October 21 2013 18:14 GMT
#2400
On October 21 2013 22:13 Raidern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2013 13:33 L_Master wrote:
On October 20 2013 06:56 Raidern wrote:
had my first 5km race today, did it on 23:27, i'm so happy. Started running regularly nearly 2 months ago. Looking forward to do a sub 20:00 in a few months


Nice job!

What is the gameplan for your training to get to sub 20?



long runs + interval trainings

anyway my calves feel really heavy as if i just went to the gym for the first time. that's because of a 100m ramp (going down), where i needed to slow down and really felt i was using my calves a lot.

should i skip training or make a slow long recovery run?



For 5k you don't have to get too crazy with the long runs. I'd say 20-25% of weekly mileage or 90 min, whichever is LESS is good. You can run some of them stronger at the end if you feel good, there are some definite benefits to running strong at the end of a long run, as opposed to a long, slow run.

One easy approach to intervals is a simple progression. Start with say 8x400m @ 5k pace (100m jog recovery), then progress to 10x400, then 12x400. Then you go 8x600m w/150m jog recovery, then 6x800m w/200m jog recovery, then finally 5x1k w/2 min jog recovery.

Mixed in with that I would have some tempo run efforts, and as you get closer to race time (4-6 weeks) you can add in some more of the intense anaerobic stuff for making 5k pace feel smoother and be more efficient. By that I mean things like 8x400m @ mile pace (for a 20 min 5k guy that should be about 1:25 per 400) w/60s recovery, 8x200m @ 800m pace with full recovery, etc.

As to your other question, if the calves are sore...a nice easy recovery run is fine. If they are painful, like an injury, and get worse during a run then definitely time off.

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