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On March 29 2015 09:00 Alcathous wrote:
Fats are healthy. Cholesterol is a myth. You just need to limit the sugar like in rice and fruit. And lift heavy. It is all pretty simple.
Fats are not "healthy" in excess, and the threshold to define "excess" is way lower for some fats than for some others, and Cholesterol is not a myth since it actually exists. And you'd be hard pressed to find major downsides to eating rice and fruits.
I agree that it is all pretty simple ; but not as you describe it ; the simple thing is that anything in excess is bad, and everything in reasonable quantities is good.
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On March 29 2015 18:45 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2015 09:00 Alcathous wrote:
Fats are healthy. Cholesterol is a myth. You just need to limit the sugar like in rice and fruit. And lift heavy. It is all pretty simple. Fats are not "healthy" in excess, and the threshold to define "excess" is way lower for some fats than for some others, and Cholesterol is not a myth since it actually exists. And you'd be hard pressed to find major downsides to eating rice and fruits. I agree that it is all pretty simple ; but not as you describe it ; the simple thing is that anything in excess is bad, and everything in reasonable quantities is good.
A lot of proper nutrition scientists disagree with this view and consider it outdated, actually. In Sweden for example it is accepted on government level that the benefits of a low-fat diet are a myth, and they believe that 'keto-style' (high fat, very low carb) diets are far more beneficial for you both as a source of 'good' nutrition and as a means of losing weight. It's backed by very solid research, too.
Cholesterol does exist but there are several kinds of cholesterol not all of it bad, and it's not like simply eating bacon or whatever somehow stuffs you full of 'bad' cholesterol. Similarly something like apples which most people believe to be one of the prime examples of 'healthy' foods are actually high in sugars which are far worse for you than the cholesterol you'd get out of eating a steak.
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Indeed, many top athletes nowadays are on a ketogenic diet, a diet that shouldn't even be possible according to the classical nutritional dogma.
The new research is very solid, but just being ignored because there's too much money being made in rice and cane sugar.
On March 29 2015 18:17 solidbebe wrote:
you realize the 'sugars' in fruit and in rice are very different right?
By the time it gets in your stomach, the starch in rice is already being broken down into disaccharides by saliva amylase. So rice will spike the sugar level in the blood about as much as fruit does. If rice is indeed healthier than fruit, it is only so by a very small margin.
You are better off eating steak or eggs&bacon than apples. It is hard to believe how they actually managed to make people believe in the past that fats are unhealthy.
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On March 29 2015 19:22 Salazarz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2015 18:45 OtherWorld wrote:On March 29 2015 09:00 Alcathous wrote:
Fats are healthy. Cholesterol is a myth. You just need to limit the sugar like in rice and fruit. And lift heavy. It is all pretty simple. Fats are not "healthy" in excess, and the threshold to define "excess" is way lower for some fats than for some others, and Cholesterol is not a myth since it actually exists. And you'd be hard pressed to find major downsides to eating rice and fruits. I agree that it is all pretty simple ; but not as you describe it ; the simple thing is that anything in excess is bad, and everything in reasonable quantities is good. A lot of proper nutrition scientists disagree with this view and consider it outdated, actually. In Sweden for example it is accepted on government level that the benefits of a low-fat diet are a myth, and they believe that 'keto-style' (high fat, very low carb) diets are far more beneficial for you both as a source of 'good' nutrition and as a means of losing weight. It's backed by very solid research, too. Cholesterol does exist but there are several kinds of cholesterol not all of it bad, and it's not like simply eating bacon or whatever somehow stuffs you full of 'bad' cholesterol. Similarly something like apples which most people believe to be one of the prime examples of 'healthy' foods are actually high in sugars which are far worse for you than the cholesterol you'd get out of eating a steak.
"Diets" come and go according to the latest researchs that have been done. What is imo more important (as it is stated in the OP, btw) is to avoid processed food which contains tons of industrially created trans fat, which shouldn't represent more than 2% of the total energy intake (but tons of people go way above this threshold as an effect of eating tons of junk food). I agree about the cholesterol, as long as it is not in overwhelming excess (and I say that as a proud bacon eater).
However I strongly disagree about fruits, the fact that they are not a good food is a myth that has been somehow created for a reason unknown to me. They are high in sugar BUT not only do they give you other essential elements of nutrition (antioxidants hello), but their high amount of fibers (note that this is only valid for raw fruits, juices for example don't benefit from this as much) also makes sugar absorption longer, avoiding a too brutal spike of insulin (and eventually the creation of fat), contrarily to all the sugar you can find in processed foods. This longer absorption also makes you feel more "full" earlier, making you eat less in total (useful for people who want to lose weight).
And finally I don't think that eating an apple is "worse" than eating a steak (assuming the steak is not some hyper-processed junk food shit but a real steak), it is not meant to be compared, both are necessary.
On March 29 2015 21:07 Alcathous wrote:Indeed, many top athletes nowadays are on a ketogenic diet, a diet that shouldn't even be possible according to the classical nutritional dogma. The new research is very solid, but just being ignored because there's too much money being made in rice and cane sugar. Show nested quote +On March 29 2015 18:17 solidbebe wrote:
you realize the 'sugars' in fruit and in rice are very different right? By the time it gets in your stomach, the starch in rice is already being broken down into disaccharides by saliva amylase. So rice will spike the sugar level in the blood about as much as fruit does. If rice is indeed healthier than fruit, it is only so by a very small margin. You are better off eating steak or eggs&bacon than apples. It is hard to believe how they actually managed to make people believe in the past that fats are unhealthy.
It should be noted, though, that they are top athletes, which 99,9% of the population isn't. As for the fruit part, see the rest of my post, actually fruits are indeed healthier than rice if you base your judgement on how quick the sugar is absorped. You're not better off eating steak or eggs&bacon, you're better off eating both.
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On March 29 2015 21:07 Alcathous wrote:
Indeed, many top athletes nowadays are on a ketogenic diet
Source?
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I agree with Otherworld in that applying what the top athletes in the world do to your average person is not necessarily going to make your average person's health or body content level trend towards the same as the top athletes'. For one thing, the exertion and general schedule of activities that a top athlete encounters may force their body to require a significantly different dietary composition than your average person.
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On March 29 2015 18:45 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2015 09:00 Alcathous wrote:
Fats are healthy. Cholesterol is a myth. You just need to limit the sugar like in rice and fruit. And lift heavy. It is all pretty simple. Fats are not "healthy" in excess, and the threshold to define "excess" is way lower for some fats than for some others, and Cholesterol is not a myth since it actually exists. And you'd be hard pressed to find major downsides to eating rice and fruits. I agree that it is all pretty simple ; but not as you describe it ; the simple thing is that anything in excess is bad, and everything in reasonable quantities is good.
*Healthy fats are healthy, bad fats are bad 
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Hey guys do any of you have some good sources on grass fed butter/milk vs non grass fed. All I can find are shitty news articles.
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On March 29 2015 19:22 Salazarz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2015 18:45 OtherWorld wrote:On March 29 2015 09:00 Alcathous wrote:
Fats are healthy. Cholesterol is a myth. You just need to limit the sugar like in rice and fruit. And lift heavy. It is all pretty simple. Fats are not "healthy" in excess, and the threshold to define "excess" is way lower for some fats than for some others, and Cholesterol is not a myth since it actually exists. And you'd be hard pressed to find major downsides to eating rice and fruits. I agree that it is all pretty simple ; but not as you describe it ; the simple thing is that anything in excess is bad, and everything in reasonable quantities is good. A lot of proper nutrition scientists disagree with this view and consider it outdated, actually. In Sweden for example it is accepted on government level that the benefits of a low-fat diet are a myth, and they believe that 'keto-style' (high fat, very low carb) diets are far more beneficial for you both as a source of 'good' nutrition and as a means of losing weight. It's backed by very solid research, too. Cholesterol does exist but there are several kinds of cholesterol not all of it bad, and it's not like simply eating bacon or whatever somehow stuffs you full of 'bad' cholesterol. Similarly something like apples which most people believe to be one of the prime examples of 'healthy' foods are actually high in sugars which are far worse for you than the cholesterol you'd get out of eating a steak.
You're making the exact same mistake as the low-fat crowd.
Sugars are not inherently bad for you. They are an essential energy source.
The problem is that the public takes in way too much sugar, especially processed/added sugars.
Low-carb diets work because the western world's current diet is ridiculously high on carbs to begin with. If you consume everything in moderation (fat, sugars, proteins, all your vitamins/minerals, etc.) and avoid the processed stuff (too much added sugars, trans fats, etc.), then the average person will be quite healthy (as long as they are also exercising). The thing with our diet is that this naturally results in cutting carbs a lot more than other things, since they are what we eat too much of in the first place.
The idea that we need to completely cut carbs/grains/whatever from our diet is just a reactionary fad. No, fats aren't bad for you, but it's absolutely ridiculous to tell someone that "fruits are bad for you" and to tell them to avoid the fruit and go for the bacon and eggs.
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Yeah anyone who says apples are bad for you never listened to Jonny Appleseed.
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On April 17 2015 09:45 IgnE wrote:
Yeah anyone who says apples are bad for you never listened to Jonny Appleseed.
Be wary of old ladies in dark cloaks with a creaky voice.
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On April 17 2015 03:25 Stratos_speAr wrote:
The idea that we need to completely cut carbs/grains/whatever from our diet is just a reactionary fad. No, fats aren't bad for you, but it's absolutely ridiculous to tell someone that "fruits are bad for you" and to tell them to avoid the fruit and go for the bacon and eggs.
The premise is that it wasn't the fat making people fat. It was the carbs; the rice, the potato, the bread, the pasta.
Fruits have very little protein or fat. They are almost 99% carbs in terms of calories. Also, they have simple sugars that can instantly cross into your blood. Fruit sugar can enter the blood when the food is still in your mouth. Even bread and fries need to be digested first. Fruits thus will cause a blood sugar spike aka diabetes.
Fat and protein won't spike your blood. They aren't sugars and they need to be converted first, which is very slow.
Fiber also turned out to be a health fad. It only causes flatulence, if that is what you are after.
Only reason to ever eat fruit is vitamins. And if that is really necessary, we have pills for that now. But, our ancestors didn't have vitamin pills, and they were fit.
That rice is worse than fruit, that doesn't mean fruit is ok.
How are fruits not bad if all they contain are sugars?
If it turns out that fruit is ok, it can't be the sugars that are the problem because that's all what fruit is. But we know already sugars are the problem, so we need to avoid fruits high in sugar(ie all fruits). Eat high protein/fat or don't eat and drink water instead.
Also, fasting to 'reset' the metabolism is important.
So yeah, bacon&eggs and coffee over bread and fruit juice all the way. It is simple science.
BTW, athletes keep their diets, and training methods, secret. They even release false information to trick their competitors. If you hang out with top athletes, or people who train with them, you sometimes hear some truths. It is steroids, microdosing epo, keto diet and painkillers&caffeine to train through the pain.
Thats how Alberto Salazar had such a long and succesful career and now trains Farah and Rupp.
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Not so much simple science more like simply made up.
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On April 17 2015 09:45 IgnE wrote:
Yeah anyone who says apples are bad for you never listened to Jonny Appleseed.
Does that mean I can have my apples like this?
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lol, fiber a health fad. It does the job of making a person feel full. The flatulence only occurs when you take too much, or take more than you are used to. After your body gets used to the higher intake, the flatulence ends (unless you overintake).
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On April 26 2015 00:20 Alcathous wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 03:25 Stratos_speAr wrote:
The idea that we need to completely cut carbs/grains/whatever from our diet is just a reactionary fad. No, fats aren't bad for you, but it's absolutely ridiculous to tell someone that "fruits are bad for you" and to tell them to avoid the fruit and go for the bacon and eggs. The premise is that it wasn't the fat making people fat. It was the carbs; the rice, the potato, the bread, the pasta. Fruits have very little protein or fat. They are almost 99% carbs in terms of calories. Also, they have simple sugars that can instantly cross into your blood. Fruit sugar can enter the blood when the food is still in your mouth. Even bread and fries need to be digested first. Fruits thus will cause a blood sugar spike aka diabetes. Fat and protein won't spike your blood. They aren't sugars and they need to be converted first, which is very slow. Fiber also turned out to be a health fad. It only causes flatulence, if that is what you are after. Only reason to ever eat fruit is vitamins. And if that is really necessary, we have pills for that now. But, our ancestors didn't have vitamin pills, and they were fit. That rice is worse than fruit, that doesn't mean fruit is ok. How are fruits not bad if all they contain are sugars? If it turns out that fruit is ok, it can't be the sugars that are the problem because that's all what fruit is. But we know already sugars are the problem, so we need to avoid fruits high in sugar(ie all fruits). Eat high protein/fat or don't eat and drink water instead. Also, fasting to 'reset' the metabolism is important. So yeah, bacon&eggs and coffee over bread and fruit juice all the way. It is simple science. BTW, athletes keep their diets, and training methods, secret. They even release false information to trick their competitors. If you hang out with top athletes, or people who train with them, you sometimes hear some truths. It is steroids, microdosing epo, keto diet and painkillers&caffeine to train through the pain. Thats how Alberto Salazar had such a long and succesful career and now trains Farah and Rupp.
Honestly you are crazy if you think eating an apple matters at all in terms of diet, performance, or body composition.
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What about 20 apples vs 20 eggs? Kind of matters which one is the bad guy and which one is the good guy. Yeah, 1% of your calorie intake can be whatever and it won't matter. Why? Because it is just 1%, not because of some other reason.
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Show me someone eating 20 apples a day. They are a self-limiting food.
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On May 01 2015 02:06 IgnE wrote:
Show me someone eating 20 apples a day. They are a self-limiting food.
How about bananas?
But yeah I agree. Just because something is bad because you eat twenty doesn't mean it'd be bad if you ate one. You wouldn't want to eat 4 lbs of brusselsprouts a day either.
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Oh god that forum...
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