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On April 30 2015 19:54 Alcathous wrote:
What about 20 apples vs 20 eggs? Kind of matters which one is the bad guy and which one is the good guy. Yeah, 1% of your calorie intake can be whatever and it won't matter. Why? Because it is just 1%, not because of some other reason.
Well, 20 apples won't give you any fats or proteins and eating 20 eggs won't give you any carbs. So in both cases, it's bad. People need carbs, just like they need proteins and fats.
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On May 01 2015 02:37 JinDesu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 19:54 Alcathous wrote:
What about 20 apples vs 20 eggs? Kind of matters which one is the bad guy and which one is the good guy. Yeah, 1% of your calorie intake can be whatever and it won't matter. Why? Because it is just 1%, not because of some other reason. Well, 20 apples won't give you any fats or proteins and eating 20 eggs won't give you any carbs. So in both cases, it's bad. People need carbs, just like they need proteins and fats.
Wait, so eating just one is too little to have any impact, but eating 20 is too much is 'self-limiting'. In fact, 20 apples is just 1000 kcal. If you need 3000 kcal because you are a tall active young male, you have 2000 kcal more. Now I donno what a self-limiting food is, but if you are going to say that it is not variable enough, you have lots of room left to eat other stuff.
Maybe I came up with the number 20 to make it much bigger than 1. Should I reask the question a third time with 10?
The question is if the food is a good source of kcal. The apple is the sugar source of kcal, the egg the fat/protein source of kcal.
Now, the apple does in fact contain fats and protein. Donno how one can think plants are made of just sugars and only animal physiology uses proteins and fats.
Eggs do not contain carbs. That is correct. But one doesn't need carbs. One needs calories. What do you think happens to the protein and the fats in the eggs once you eat them? They get digested. Into what? In the end they can both enter the citric acid cycle as pyruvate.
In all those people that get fat eating carbs, the carbs are stored as fat. When they get on a better diet, their bodies use the fat. Sugar is only stored as glycogen and that amount isn't even enough to run a marathon. It is only there to regulate blood sugar levels.
So, both a high carb and a low carb diet are possible. The answer is which one gets you fat and which one gets you lean.
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Hey all! I'm looking for some general programming and nutritional help, and was hoping you guys could answer some questions.
First off, what would you estimate my current body fat? You can find the (potentially NSFW!! dude in boxers...)relaxed and flexed pics at those links and a link to the complete album of all of the progress pics from this year. I'm hoping that I'm south of 20%, and potentially closer to 15% simply because that's the suggested starting point for bulking.
Secondly, how common do you find fluctuations and mini-plateaus in cutting? If you peruse my complete weight log for the cut, you'll find extensive plateaus at around the 188 and 180 mark. During this time I was very diligent at keeping my diet log accurate no matter what. It helped immensely to get my wife on board and have her give me all her ingredients, but I made my food log as accurate as I possibly could. I kept intake at 2kcal a day with 150g from protein and 50g from fats.
Thirdly, do you have any thoughts on whether I should continue cutting down to 15% or just do a maintenance into a light bulk? Right now I'm leaning towards just slowly increasing my calories 100/week until I hit a maintenance intake then doing a slow clean bulk up to 185. Basically, I'm just kinda tired of eating 2k/cal a week and want to try something new. Also, I have some stressful auditions coming up in the next 6-8 weeks and I'd like to minimize stress on my system however I can.
My exercise routine is a 5/3/1 program with some supplemental cardio from rowing and walking 1-2mi with a 50lb weight vest. My lifts for the 5/3/1 are set at training maxes of Press=130lb, Deadlift=340lb, Bench=215, Squat=300. The other reason I want to start eating more is that the lifts are really starting to become challenging.
Thanks in advance for any advice offered!
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On May 03 2015 01:46 Alcathous wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2015 02:37 JinDesu wrote:On April 30 2015 19:54 Alcathous wrote:
What about 20 apples vs 20 eggs? Kind of matters which one is the bad guy and which one is the good guy. Yeah, 1% of your calorie intake can be whatever and it won't matter. Why? Because it is just 1%, not because of some other reason. Well, 20 apples won't give you any fats or proteins and eating 20 eggs won't give you any carbs. So in both cases, it's bad. People need carbs, just like they need proteins and fats. Wait, so eating just one is too little to have any impact, but eating 20 is too much is 'self-limiting'. In fact, 20 apples is just 1000 kcal. If you need 3000 kcal because you are a tall active young male, you have 2000 kcal more. Now I donno what a self-limiting food is, but if you are going to say that it is not variable enough, you have lots of room left to eat other stuff. Maybe I came up with the number 20 to make it much bigger than 1. Should I reask the question a third time with 10? The question is if the food is a good source of kcal. The apple is the sugar source of kcal, the egg the fat/protein source of kcal. Now, the apple does in fact contain fats and protein. Donno how one can think plants are made of just sugars and only animal physiology uses proteins and fats. Eggs do not contain carbs. That is correct. But one doesn't need carbs. One needs calories. What do you think happens to the protein and the fats in the eggs once you eat them? They get digested. Into what? In the end they can both enter the citric acid cycle as pyruvate. In all those people that get fat eating carbs, the carbs are stored as fat. When they get on a better diet, their bodies use the fat. Sugar is only stored as glycogen and that amount isn't even enough to run a marathon. It is only there to regulate blood sugar levels. So, both a high carb and a low carb diet are possible. The answer is which one gets you fat and which one gets you lean.
What the hell are you talking about? Have you tried living only on apples? People simply don't eat 20 apples a day. The question is not "is it a good source of calories," the question is "do you like apples?" If you like apples eat them. They aren't going to make you fat in any universe.
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On May 03 2015 07:45 Kronen wrote:Hey all! I'm looking for some general programming and nutritional help, and was hoping you guys could answer some questions. First off, what would you estimate my current body fat? You can find the (potentially NSFW!! dude in boxers...) relaxed and flexed pics at those links and a link to the complete album of all of the progress pics from this year. I'm hoping that I'm south of 20%, and potentially closer to 15% simply because that's the suggested starting point for bulking. Secondly, how common do you find fluctuations and mini-plateaus in cutting? If you peruse my complete weight log for the cut, you'll find extensive plateaus at around the 188 and 180 mark. During this time I was very diligent at keeping my diet log accurate no matter what. It helped immensely to get my wife on board and have her give me all her ingredients, but I made my food log as accurate as I possibly could. I kept intake at 2kcal a day with 150g from protein and 50g from fats. Thirdly, do you have any thoughts on whether I should continue cutting down to 15% or just do a maintenance into a light bulk? Right now I'm leaning towards just slowly increasing my calories 100/week until I hit a maintenance intake then doing a slow clean bulk up to 185. Basically, I'm just kinda tired of eating 2k/cal a week and want to try something new. Also, I have some stressful auditions coming up in the next 6-8 weeks and I'd like to minimize stress on my system however I can. My exercise routine is a 5/3/1 program with some supplemental cardio from rowing and walking 1-2mi with a 50lb weight vest. My lifts for the 5/3/1 are set at training maxes of Press=130lb, Deadlift=340lb, Bench=215, Squat=300. The other reason I want to start eating more is that the lifts are really starting to become challenging. Thanks in advance for any advice offered!
Start eating more.
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On May 03 2015 07:45 Kronen wrote:Hey all! I'm looking for some general programming and nutritional help, and was hoping you guys could answer some questions. First off, what would you estimate my current body fat? You can find the (potentially NSFW!! dude in boxers...) relaxed and flexed pics at those links and a link to the complete album of all of the progress pics from this year. I'm hoping that I'm south of 20%, and potentially closer to 15% simply because that's the suggested starting point for bulking. Secondly, how common do you find fluctuations and mini-plateaus in cutting? If you peruse my complete weight log for the cut, you'll find extensive plateaus at around the 188 and 180 mark. During this time I was very diligent at keeping my diet log accurate no matter what. It helped immensely to get my wife on board and have her give me all her ingredients, but I made my food log as accurate as I possibly could. I kept intake at 2kcal a day with 150g from protein and 50g from fats. Thirdly, do you have any thoughts on whether I should continue cutting down to 15% or just do a maintenance into a light bulk? Right now I'm leaning towards just slowly increasing my calories 100/week until I hit a maintenance intake then doing a slow clean bulk up to 185. Basically, I'm just kinda tired of eating 2k/cal a week and want to try something new. Also, I have some stressful auditions coming up in the next 6-8 weeks and I'd like to minimize stress on my system however I can. My exercise routine is a 5/3/1 program with some supplemental cardio from rowing and walking 1-2mi with a 50lb weight vest. My lifts for the 5/3/1 are set at training maxes of Press=130lb, Deadlift=340lb, Bench=215, Squat=300. The other reason I want to start eating more is that the lifts are really starting to become challenging. Thanks in advance for any advice offered!
Just wanted to say nice progress on the weight loss, pretty big difference in the album. Go for some more muscle mass imo 
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On May 04 2015 07:07 IgnE wrote:
What the hell are you talking about? Have you tried living only on apples? People simply don't eat 20 apples a day. The question is not "is it a good source of calories," the question is "do you like apples?" If you like apples eat them. They aren't going to make you fat in any universe.
Are you even reading or understanding.
Apples are full of carbs. Since a low carb diet is the way to go, apples are bad. If it is really the case that apples aren't bad, they are merely simple sugars after all, then the whole idea about low carb diets is wrong.
Eating about 1000 kcal of fructose will spike your blood sugar levels. No way in hell I am going to eat 20 apples.
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Yes I'm reading. I'm reading you say stupid things like "stay away from apples" because a "low carb diet is the way to go." The only reasonable thing you've said is that there is no way in hell you are going to eat 20 apples.
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I am not, but others are.
And I am not going to take 1/20th shot of heroin just because it is not as bad as 1 shot.
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On May 04 2015 19:46 Alcathous wrote:
I am not, but others are.
And I am not going to take 1/20th shot of heroin just because it is not as bad as 1 shot.
It would be more like taking a single aspirin vs. taking twenty aspirin. One aspirin is completely fine for you and even has beneficial side effects. However, twenty is excessive and any of the benefits of taking the aspirin are negated by the ridiculous amount you're using.
Apples are not bad for you. They're a pretty good source of a lot of micronutrients and they taste pretty good, so I'm not sure why it would be a problem for someone to enjoy a single apple per day.
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One aspirin is beneficial? You take an aspirin every day? Find that hard to believe. Medicine are always bad for you when you don't need it.
Ok, so we can't know if carb foods or fat foods are the cause. So we can eat one apple, one banana, one bowl of rice, one bottle of fruit juice, and of course the fat foods, one bacon&eggs, one steak, one protein shake, one tuna, one doughnut, olive oil, one chicken wings. Ie, SAD.
You can't talk about this in a vacuum. If the high carb side is right, 10 apples is not excessive. And change it to 2 apples, 1 pineapple, 2 mango, 4 bananas, jug of fruit juice, a bowl of rice with black beans, bread, and a big salad. Make the portions amount to the kcal intake required.
Those are all simple sugars. It will make you fat and give you diabetes in the long run. Lack of fat and protein isn't even the main problem with this diet.
It is not about one apple being a guilty pleasure with the added benefit of some antioxidants. You can take vitamins, minerals and antioxidants in pills now. No need to consume simple sugars to get them.
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Can we just shorten this and you point us to the evidence that proves even small amounts of carbs (like an apple) are unhealthy? If you don't have any and you are just making shit up then please stop posting here.
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i think apples are fine. i am not a big fan of calorie bearing liquids, thus, i stay away from apple juice.
i have 3 apples a day. 2 of the 3 times i'm eating an apple i'm also eating something else.
It is not about one apple being a guilty pleasure with the added benefit of some antioxidants. You can take vitamins, minerals and antioxidants in pills now. No need to consume simple sugars to get them.
no need to consume factory manufactured products to get them.
in general, don't let a food factory/manufacturer get between you and your food.
another example, i got a 1/4 of cow in my freezer and i know the farmer who raised the thing.
i pretty much subscribe to the nutrition guidelines and research of Dr. John Berardi.
http://www.precisionnutrition.com/about/john-berardi
i'm too lazy to do all the research and until berardi starts making recommendations that go against my own common sense i'll just stick with his guidelines.
when it comes to nutrition i think berardi really knows his stuff.
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On May 04 2015 20:32 Alcathous wrote:
One aspirin is beneficial? You take an aspirin every day? Find that hard to believe. Medicine are always bad for you when you don't need it.
Ok, so we can't know if carb foods or fat foods are the cause. So we can eat one apple, one banana, one bowl of rice, one bottle of fruit juice, and of course the fat foods, one bacon&eggs, one steak, one protein shake, one tuna, one doughnut, olive oil, one chicken wings. Ie, SAD.
You can't talk about this in a vacuum. If the high carb side is right, 10 apples is not excessive. And change it to 2 apples, 1 pineapple, 2 mango, 4 bananas, jug of fruit juice, a bowl of rice with black beans, bread, and a big salad. Make the portions amount to the kcal intake required.
Those are all simple sugars. It will make you fat and give you diabetes in the long run. Lack of fat and protein isn't even the main problem with this diet.
It is not about one apple being a guilty pleasure with the added benefit of some antioxidants. You can take vitamins, minerals and antioxidants in pills now. No need to consume simple sugars to get them.
We're all aware of the arguement you're trying to make, which is that too many carbohydrates in inactive people leads to health problems. It's true. The point you have yet to refute (since you're just restating the same things so far) is that 1 apple =/= 20 apples, and that no one in their right mind eats 20 apples.
It's 80/20 rule. Get the majority of your diet settled, and then let life happen. If you're running your lifestyle down to the point where you cant eat a single apple, you're going to run into more significant health problems from stress and depression than your are from a few extra carbs.
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On May 04 2015 20:32 Alcathous wrote:
One aspirin is beneficial? You take an aspirin every day? Find that hard to believe. Medicine are always bad for you when you don't need it.
There we go. Ignorance confirmed.
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I was pretty sold on the ignorance long before then.
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So... does aspirin have any beneficial effects?
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On May 05 2015 03:13 solidbebe wrote:
So... does aspirin have any beneficial effects?
Google is your friend.
But if that's too much effort; short term it reduces inflammation, fever, and pain. That's what you use it/acetaminophen/ibuprofen for. When it's taken daily, it's typically for anti-platelet purposes. Platelets are a part of your blood that helps clots to form, so anti-platelet agents have protective effects against diseases related to blood clots such as strokes.
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On May 05 2015 02:00 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2015 20:32 Alcathous wrote:
One aspirin is beneficial? You take an aspirin every day? Find that hard to believe. Medicine are always bad for you when you don't need it. There we go. Ignorance confirmed.
Sorry. Forgot to mention I meant to exclude homeopathic and placebo medicine.
Even if you want to take a hands-on approach, it is hard to figure out which risk groups to put on a 'aspirin a day' plan. Hard to figure out when you are doing more god than harm.
Ignorance confirmed, wow. Aspirin; no side effects as of today. Guy on TL said so!
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