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ieatkids5
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States4628 Posts
July 16 2013 04:40 GMT
#1221
On July 16 2013 07:44 Earll wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2013 05:33 Schwopzi wrote:
Hitting 1500 kcal under maintenance is pretty damn heavy, you really shouldn't do that for too long. Common recommendations state to start from a 500 deficit and scale from there depending on results.


What are the downsides to doing this though? Obviously its not at all good for lifts\muscle 'gain'\not losing muscle, but apart from that. Should it not theoretically lead to losing weight faster than 500 deficit?

eating so little food, it's really difficult to get all of the vitamins, minerals, and other micronutrients you need.
Earll
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Norway847 Posts
July 16 2013 08:55 GMT
#1222
On July 16 2013 13:40 ieatkids5 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2013 07:44 Earll wrote:
On July 16 2013 05:33 Schwopzi wrote:
Hitting 1500 kcal under maintenance is pretty damn heavy, you really shouldn't do that for too long. Common recommendations state to start from a 500 deficit and scale from there depending on results.


What are the downsides to doing this though? Obviously its not at all good for lifts\muscle 'gain'\not losing muscle, but apart from that. Should it not theoretically lead to losing weight faster than 500 deficit?

eating so little food, it's really difficult to get all of the vitamins, minerals, and other micronutrients you need.


Honestly this thread + just some inner soul searching has made me realize its retarded to delay my overall fitness results and live unhealthilty just for being stubborn to reach some arbitrary number which holds no meaning, so will do some research on what I will be eating and the diet ends tomorrow, time to enter bulkmode etc. Thanks for the help y'all, odds are ill be back with some questions about my new diet after having done some research\tried to find the answers myself :p
Wat
BigAsia
Profile Joined November 2012
Canada451 Posts
July 18 2013 01:36 GMT
#1223
Can any one of you brahs help me out with IT? I've started doing it recently cuz I'm at 12% bf right now and want to get below 10%. I normally carb cycle high/med/low, is that safe to do with IT? Whats the optimum time to fast? Also, I usually plan 1 cheat day a week, do still need to follow fasting guidelines on that day?
YOLO
GuiltyJerk
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States584 Posts
July 18 2013 02:46 GMT
#1224
On July 18 2013 10:36 BigAsia wrote:
Can any one of you brahs help me out with IT? I've started doing it recently cuz I'm at 12% bf right now and want to get below 10%. I normally carb cycle high/med/low, is that safe to do with IT? Whats the optimum time to fast? Also, I usually plan 1 cheat day a week, do still need to follow fasting guidelines on that day?



IT? Do you mean IF (Intermittent Fasting)? And as far as the optimum fasting time and such, it's all what you feel comfortable with/won't mess with the rest of your life. Gradually ease into it if you're going to do it, Martin Berkhan's Leangains 16/8 (16 hour fast 8 hour feed) is very popular for good reason: It's not a huge lifestyle adjustment and it's effective. As far as cheat days, don't go too crazy with them, or you're going to undo progress fast.

Also know that fasting isn't a magic bullet. It's a means to an end (Martin Berkhan even says this) because it arbitrarily keeps you from eating for part of the day, and therefore it's easier to create a calorie deficit (the key in any fat loss strategy). There are some studied hormonal benefits and such, but that's not what's gonna get you lean, eating clean and at an overall weekly deficit is.
BigAsia
Profile Joined November 2012
Canada451 Posts
July 18 2013 13:32 GMT
#1225
On July 18 2013 11:46 GuiltyJerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 10:36 BigAsia wrote:
Can any one of you brahs help me out with IT? I've started doing it recently cuz I'm at 12% bf right now and want to get below 10%. I normally carb cycle high/med/low, is that safe to do with IT? Whats the optimum time to fast? Also, I usually plan 1 cheat day a week, do still need to follow fasting guidelines on that day?



IT? Do you mean IF (Intermittent Fasting)? And as far as the optimum fasting time and such, it's all what you feel comfortable with/won't mess with the rest of your life. Gradually ease into it if you're going to do it, Martin Berkhan's Leangains 16/8 (16 hour fast 8 hour feed) is very popular for good reason: It's not a huge lifestyle adjustment and it's effective. As far as cheat days, don't go too crazy with them, or you're going to undo progress fast.

Also know that fasting isn't a magic bullet. It's a means to an end (Martin Berkhan even says this) because it arbitrarily keeps you from eating for part of the day, and therefore it's easier to create a calorie deficit (the key in any fat loss strategy). There are some studied hormonal benefits and such, but that's not what's gonna get you lean, eating clean and at an overall weekly deficit is.


Thanks brethren. Yeah I did mean IF

One concern I have is I am still trying to maintain my size (im quite muscular atm, not like bodybuilder big, but in good shape) and I am worried about a 16 hour fast putting my body into a catabolic state?
YOLO
Schwopzi
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands954 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-18 14:08:11
July 18 2013 14:06 GMT
#1226
You will lose some muscle but thats the same with any sub maintenance diet. Like said before its more of a handle to make it easier for ppl to eat sub maintenance.
And you ofc want to hit catabolic periods to burn fat
Only the dead have seen the end of war
GuiltyJerk
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States584 Posts
July 18 2013 15:03 GMT
#1227
On July 18 2013 22:32 BigAsia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 11:46 GuiltyJerk wrote:
On July 18 2013 10:36 BigAsia wrote:
Can any one of you brahs help me out with IT? I've started doing it recently cuz I'm at 12% bf right now and want to get below 10%. I normally carb cycle high/med/low, is that safe to do with IT? Whats the optimum time to fast? Also, I usually plan 1 cheat day a week, do still need to follow fasting guidelines on that day?



IT? Do you mean IF (Intermittent Fasting)? And as far as the optimum fasting time and such, it's all what you feel comfortable with/won't mess with the rest of your life. Gradually ease into it if you're going to do it, Martin Berkhan's Leangains 16/8 (16 hour fast 8 hour feed) is very popular for good reason: It's not a huge lifestyle adjustment and it's effective. As far as cheat days, don't go too crazy with them, or you're going to undo progress fast.

Also know that fasting isn't a magic bullet. It's a means to an end (Martin Berkhan even says this) because it arbitrarily keeps you from eating for part of the day, and therefore it's easier to create a calorie deficit (the key in any fat loss strategy). There are some studied hormonal benefits and such, but that's not what's gonna get you lean, eating clean and at an overall weekly deficit is.


Thanks brethren. Yeah I did mean IF

One concern I have is I am still trying to maintain my size (im quite muscular atm, not like bodybuilder big, but in good shape) and I am worried about a 16 hour fast putting my body into a catabolic state?



Your body won't start to chew on muscle after 16 hours of no food, you will of course lose a bit because of being on a deficit, but part of the idea of the high carb refeed workout days is that you minimize muscle loss and maybe even promote muscle gain while you're losing fat. Good luck with it! Make sure that you have a larger deficit on rest days than surplus on workout days or you'll end up spinning your wheels. The guys over at reddit.com/r/leangains have some great advice in their FAQ
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
July 21 2013 01:48 GMT
#1228
On July 03 2013 23:20 mordek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2013 09:02 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:
On July 03 2013 07:22 mordek wrote:
Try checking your pulse about 15 minutes after eating a large grease filled meal and compare it to your pulse before that.

Wait. Seriously?

High saturated fat + cholesterol in the blood makes the heart work harder a long with high sodium.

Ok, ultimate experiment coming up in the future since I have some beef with what you're saying. I will be going to Fogo de Chao's July 20th. I will take my pulse before and after going ham on the food there and see if there's any meat to your assertion. I will not chicken out in the face of this challenge for great science.

Experiment results as follows:
Pre-dinner heart rate = 66bpm
Post-dinner heart rate = 62bpm
It was enjoyable.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
July 22 2013 04:43 GMT
#1229
i think you are cherry picking mordek.

on a serious note, is starch needed for strength training? I have to avoid starches/fructose because of my eczema. The problem is now I have trouble keeping my weight up. I dropped into the 67kg range when im trying to stay between 69-71kg.

I'm trying to eat more fat so hopefully that works out?
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
Rixxe
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom136 Posts
July 22 2013 09:32 GMT
#1230
Could you please explain why you avoid starches/fructose because of your eczema? I also have it (have for 24 years) and i'm just curious.
*bleep* you up in a gangsta style!
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-22 14:26:26
July 22 2013 14:21 GMT
#1231
Read through this
http://www.thepaleomom.com/autoimmunity/the-autoimmune-protocol


Your food sensitivities will vary so the stuff we are allergic to will be different. I have went from paleo to autoimmune paleo, but now I am adding in low carb since restricting myself to all of the above wasnt good enough. Also I get some digestive problems when consuming alot of carbs too.

Here is what I am trying to add on now.
http://www.thepaleomom.com/2012/08/modifying-paleo-for-fodmap-intolerance.html

To start off, go paleo or at least gluten free first. This is an extremely restrictive diet so it will be hard to adjust to.


Also, do not cheat!!! you will regret it,( i have a million times)
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20176 Posts
July 22 2013 14:46 GMT
#1232
I thought you only ate piles and piles of sweet potato fries.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-22 15:10:35
July 22 2013 15:02 GMT
#1233
On July 22 2013 23:46 decafchicken wrote:
I thought you only ate piles and piles of sweet potato fries.



yeah i went overboard back then and I am facing the consequences now lol

also during the last winter, I tried gaining weight and was eating like 300g+ carbs a day. Then my skin got really red and my pinky nail fell off. LOL
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
July 22 2013 16:01 GMT
#1234
On July 23 2013 00:02 AoN.DimSum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2013 23:46 decafchicken wrote:
I thought you only ate piles and piles of sweet potato fries.



yeah i went overboard back then and I am facing the consequences now lol

also during the last winter, I tried gaining weight and was eating like 300g+ carbs a day. Then my skin got really red and my pinky nail fell off. LOL


Cant you just down "shitty carbs?" Ice cream, chocolate, maybe honey or even raw sugar?
Schwopzi
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands954 Posts
July 22 2013 16:22 GMT
#1235
Man cant imagine not eating carbs for long. Cant even take a proper dump then. I also fail any weight gaining attempt if i dont eat bread. So ye, a big fuck you paleo from this side cud that makes my body just feel so bad.

But thats how it is, nothing works for everyone and you gotta try stuff out till your body feels good and changes(or not)the way you want it too



Only the dead have seen the end of war
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-22 19:06:58
July 22 2013 19:02 GMT
#1236
On July 23 2013 01:01 GoTuNk! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 00:02 AoN.DimSum wrote:
On July 22 2013 23:46 decafchicken wrote:
I thought you only ate piles and piles of sweet potato fries.



yeah i went overboard back then and I am facing the consequences now lol

also during the last winter, I tried gaining weight and was eating like 300g+ carbs a day. Then my skin got really red and my pinky nail fell off. LOL


Cant you just down "shitty carbs?" Ice cream, chocolate, maybe honey or even raw sugar?



no thats even worse. Sugar exacerbates my symptoms


@Schwopzi agreed everyone is different. that's really weird that you need bread to take a dump though haha.

oh you said carbs. I still eat alot of veggies, so im probably not that low carb.
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
ieatkids5
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States4628 Posts
August 06 2013 11:43 GMT
#1237
"The world's first lab-grown burger has been cooked and eaten at a news conference in London.

Scientists took cells from a cow and, at an institute in the Netherlands, turned them into strips of muscle that they combined to make a patty.

One food expert said it was "close to meat, but not that juicy" and another said it tasted like a real burger."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-23576143

pretty cool. i wonder if they can make it as nutritious as grass-fed beef lol.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
August 13 2013 19:45 GMT
#1238
Finally got a hold of some Kerrygold butter (1 of 6 grocery stores in town carried it and it was in the gourmet cheese section...) Let's see if this matches the hype!
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20176 Posts
August 13 2013 19:51 GMT
#1239
do you not have trader joes by you?
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-13 21:06:04
August 13 2013 21:05 GMT
#1240
No Had to go to Martin's which I should have thought of sooner as they are pretty much the only ones to carry a lot of the specialty/gourmet stuff.

I plan to try the butter+coffee+mct(coconut oil) the next time I won't wake my wife doing it at 6:30am...
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
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