EPTProtein Shakes and a multi vitamin for a week or 2. You can add fish oil/coffee aswell.
Can't see it failing, your strength will go to shit but that' shouldn't be a concern for people who would benefit from this (very fat people).
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GoTuNk!
Chile4591 Posts
Protein Shakes and a multi vitamin for a week or 2. You can add fish oil/coffee aswell. Can't see it failing, your strength will go to shit but that' shouldn't be a concern for people who would benefit from this (very fat people). | ||
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KhaliWear
Canada159 Posts
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Schwopzi
Netherlands954 Posts
On July 13 2013 00:30 KhaliWear wrote: For exercise, One chin up a day or one push up a day is much better then 0. That's like having your **** stroked just once, it's better then nothing but it just won't do. | ||
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KhaliWear
Canada159 Posts
On July 13 2013 06:58 Schwopzi wrote: That's like having your **** stroked just once, it's better then nothing but it just won't do. I highly disagree my friend. For you can rip a little bit of muscle with one rep where you can not cum a little bit with one stroke. | ||
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Garbels
Austria653 Posts
Not only are your post really bad but you also seem to generate bad responses. I am sorry if this comes off aggressive but these last posts in here have no relevant/true information. | ||
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KhaliWear
Canada159 Posts
On July 13 2013 18:25 Garbels wrote: KhaliWear please put more thought in your posts. Not only are your post really bad but you also seem to generate bad responses. I am sorry if this comes off aggressive but these last posts in here have no relevant/true information. Please do show which have no relevant information fine Sir. so I may rebuttal with a whim. | ||
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Garbels
Austria653 Posts
Some days, I have a bad cheat day and binge on 2 bags of doretos and two jars of dip,then some big macs. Oh how I love those days. Reading history about humans and about our biology, we can live 7 days with no food and 3 days with no water. If you have a bad day or want to lose weight? Just simply don't eat for a day or two just drink water, sure its not the best, but thats also because of our glutinous society where food is so easy to get. Your stomach might complain, but its like giving a girl a flower ever day, you train her into expecting a flower every day. If you don't get it, it will be a day of complaining but in the end everything will be fine. My two cents. Of course it will not work if you are training for rugby or hockey. But if you are just sitting there, and will continue sitting there, don't eat. Humans used to fatten up for low food seasons and hey now we have water jet packs. Nothing wrong with no food, its just once again the whole fat society where everything is available en mass. If you don't eat OMG WTF BBQ is wrong with you?!!? Don't forget to drink water and replace soda that stuff is the devil. It is not unhealthy though! We are just trained to think so because of the Walmarts. One day some where in Africa when the Australopithecus roamed there might have been no berries or animals at X location. They had to travel 2 days to location F for this food. I am not saying don't eat for 7 days I am saying for 2, and you will see a huge difference. Its like cheat codes for RL  There is also the soup diet. Read the title in the magazine I guessed the rest. "21 days 21 pounds" Makes sense, green pea soup, chicken noodle soup, pho, mushroom soups Enough solid to make you last, enough liquids to also flush your entire system. For exercise, One chin up a day or one push up a day is much better then 0. What you are trying to say is that not eating for two days has some sort of positive effect. To support your claim you list a very bad analogy(the girl does not need the flowers) and some ape-like man that lived 2 million years ago who might not have found food for two days. Even if that was so how can you know it was good for him(and is still good for us) and not a huge strain on his system. Then of course there is the title you read in a magazine. Eat soups for 3 weeks. Please show how this is better than eating balanced forever. Also what will those liquids flush from where? Lastly... something is better than nothing. I guess its a true statement but irrelevant in the nutrition section and more than nothing can still be not enough. | ||
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Vitruvian
United States168 Posts
http://www.cnbc.com/id/100879850 So, my first concern is that the demonstrated correlation is between blood levels of O3s and cancer - but there's no satisfactory link between intake of O3s and cancer, or even intake of O3s and blood levels of O3s. Second concern is that there's no indication of the possibility of differing O3 profiles, % EPA %DPA %DHA, which might lend more insight into a mechanism. Last concern is that it seems to be an observational study rather than interventional. Although this doesn't automatically invalidate the correlation. Thoughts? | ||
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ieatkids5
United States4628 Posts
will look more into it... | ||
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KhaliWear
Canada159 Posts
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KhaliWear
Canada159 Posts
On July 14 2013 07:44 Vitruvian wrote: In 40 years, I will apparently have the most cancerous prostate known to man: http://www.cnbc.com/id/100879850 So, my first concern is that the demonstrated correlation is between blood levels of O3s and cancer - but there's no satisfactory link between intake of O3s and cancer, or even intake of O3s and blood levels of O3s. Second concern is that there's no indication of the possibility of differing O3 profiles, % EPA %DPA %DHA, which might lend more insight into a mechanism. Last concern is that it seems to be an observational study rather than interventional. Although this doesn't automatically invalidate the correlation. Thoughts? I hear the world wants to farm fish in giant surfing cages, or genetically engineered legless headless chicken tube fed. Sushi vs Chicken Wings + 1 for mass production. Probably bad with only chicken also.... Seems a good idea to not pump your system with so much of a nutrient. <<Stopped listening to video at 3:25 (garble don't do that too much.) kept reading>> The cannibas, for another thread about stim packs. more blah blah blah don't do it too much. Bad for you when older (fish oils) Perhaps certain oils can lubricate cancerous cells. Reading the article published by New England Journal of Medicine in May. The body is fighting air units, ground units no longer need to be a factor, you now shoot ground and air with new tech. A bubble for two days of just water "It is sort of like breaking a fish oil capsule over a hot fudge sundae and expecting the effect of the calories and saturated fat to go away," Do not fully agree with that, because fudge not cancer. Final thoughts. Looks like one may have to reduce dependence on fish, as they grow older perhaps. Seems to need more studies though. got up, had a sausage with ketchup. Preserved meats will also kill me if I eat to much of them. Furthermore only top Heinze executives know the secret ingredient...... Mmmmm. Pancakes. Maple Syrup. Canada Edit  Reduced end spaces* | ||
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Vitruvian
United States168 Posts
On July 14 2013 12:39 KhaliWear wrote: + Show Spoiler + I hear the world wants to farm fish in giant surfing cages, or genetically engineered legless headless chicken tube fed. Sushi vs Chicken Wings + 1 for mass production. Probably bad with only chicken also.... Seems a good idea to not pump your system with so much of a nutrient. <<Stopped listening to video at 3:25 (garble don't do that too much.) kept reading>> The cannibas, for another thread about stim packs. more blah blah blah don't do it too much. Bad for you when older (fish oils) Perhaps certain oils can lubricate cancerous cells. Reading the article published by New England Journal of Medicine in May. The body is fighting air units, ground units no longer need to be a factor, you now shoot ground and air with new tech. A bubble for two days of just water "It is sort of like breaking a fish oil capsule over a hot fudge sundae and expecting the effect of the calories and saturated fat to go away," Do not fully agree with that, because fudge not cancer. Final thoughts. Looks like one may have to reduce dependence on fish, as they grow older perhaps. Seems to need more studies though. got up, had a sausage with ketchup. Preserved meats will also kill me if I eat to much of them. Furthermore only top Heinze executives know the secret ingredient...... Mmmmm. Pancakes. Maple Syrup. Canada Edit Reduced end spaces*Has there been a study on pumping system with chicken wing sushi? I'd be surfing on cages of genetically fed tubes. Anyone saw what happened at 3:25 but the real story happens at 3:45 LOL GARBLE Really though, what happens when cells get lubricated, cancerous or not? Been several weeks since my last stim pack, gotta score soon Far and away the best method is to just ignore air/ground attack restrictions and just go for base trade. Buildings always on ground. Even if some buildings can fly. As a bubble breaks the surface of liquid, so I brake for bacon Decided that fudge is, in fact, cancer. To address your final thoughts: Use sausage made from fish? Even ketchup goes well with fudge? Go ask Heinz executive - he'll tell you secret ingredient. Want waffles, not pancake. To drink a tree's blood, maple syrup. Do I Look fat in this More purplish dress? Like? | ||
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Paraietta
United Kingdom130 Posts
On July 14 2013 13:55 Vitruvian wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On July 14 2013 12:39 KhaliWear wrote: + Show Spoiler + I hear the world wants to farm fish in giant surfing cages, or genetically engineered legless headless chicken tube fed. Sushi vs Chicken Wings + 1 for mass production. Probably bad with only chicken also.... Seems a good idea to not pump your system with so much of a nutrient. <<Stopped listening to video at 3:25 (garble don't do that too much.) kept reading>> The cannibas, for another thread about stim packs. more blah blah blah don't do it too much. Bad for you when older (fish oils) Perhaps certain oils can lubricate cancerous cells. Reading the article published by New England Journal of Medicine in May. The body is fighting air units, ground units no longer need to be a factor, you now shoot ground and air with new tech. A bubble for two days of just water "It is sort of like breaking a fish oil capsule over a hot fudge sundae and expecting the effect of the calories and saturated fat to go away," Do not fully agree with that, because fudge not cancer. Final thoughts. Looks like one may have to reduce dependence on fish, as they grow older perhaps. Seems to need more studies though. got up, had a sausage with ketchup. Preserved meats will also kill me if I eat to much of them. Furthermore only top Heinze executives know the secret ingredient...... Mmmmm. Pancakes. Maple Syrup. Canada Edit Reduced end spaces*Has there been a study on pumping system with chicken wing sushi? I'd be surfing on cages of genetically fed tubes. Anyone saw what happened at 3:25 but the real story happens at 3:45 LOL GARBLE Really though, what happens when cells get lubricated, cancerous or not? Been several weeks since my last stim pack, gotta score soon Far and away the best method is to just ignore air/ground attack restrictions and just go for base trade. Buildings always on ground. Even if some buildings can fly. As a bubble breaks the surface of liquid, so I brake for bacon Decided that fudge is, in fact, cancer. To address your final thoughts: Use sausage made from fish? Even ketchup goes well with fudge? Go ask Heinz executive - he'll tell you secret ingredient. Want waffles, not pancake. To drink a tree's blood, maple syrup. Do I Look fat in this More purplish dress? Like? I sincerely hope someone gives you TL+ for this post | ||
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KhaliWear
Canada159 Posts
On July 14 2013 13:55 Vitruvian wrote: Has there been a study on pumping system with chicken wing sushi? I'd be surfing on cages of genetically fed tubes. Anyone saw what happened at 3:25 but the real story happens at 3:45 LOL GARBLE Really though, what happens when cells get lubricated, cancerous or not? Been several weeks since my last stim pack, gotta score soon Far and away the best method is to just ignore air/ground attack restrictions and just go for base trade. Buildings always on ground. Even if some buildings can fly. As a bubble breaks the surface of liquid, so I brake for bacon Decided that fudge is, in fact, cancer. To address your final thoughts: Use sausage made from fish? Even ketchup goes well with fudge? Go ask Heinz executive - he'll tell you secret ingredient. Want waffles, not pancake. To drink a tree's blood, maple syrup. Do I Look fat in this More purplish dress? Like? Yes | ||
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Earll
Norway847 Posts
On July 05 2013 04:59 Earll wrote: Not sure if this belongs in questionthread on here, its a nutrition\dietquestion though so i'll ask here. For whatever reason 'set myself a goal to reach a specific weight before I go up again and gain muscle (75kg being that goal.) I am at 78~77,5. now, and have been around here for like 2 or so weeks. (Had a weigh in 2 weeks ago at 77.6kg, and today at 78.0, 180cm tall btw) my BMR is 1800~ and i eat like 1500~kcals a day, but then again I obviously work out a reasonable amount etc so I should be quite a bit under the maintenance calorie intake. My question is, I've read a few places/heard from a few people, but only a bit more dubious sources, that you will plateau when losing weight, and that its good to have a 'cheat day' where i eat more than i am supposed to, for the metabolism to start up again or something\will help with losing weight. this sounds oddly close to the whole starvation mode 'myth'(?) mumbojumbo. So am not sure if i should just stick to my guns and keep eating at a deficit, or if I should incorporate a cheat day for the sake of losing weight faster. ((Disclaimer: I Realize I could just start eating lots now to gain muscle, but when I started losing weight i set myself the goal of 75kg before I go up agian, and want to stick to this goal.)) On July 05 2013 22:23 decafchicken wrote: Yeah you need to multiply your BMR times your activity rating thingy to figure out how many calories you should really be eating. When it comes to losing/gaining weight the #1 thing is calories in vs out. Don't worry about that starvation mode bullshit unless you're not eating for days at a time lol. Unless you have a specific reason for dropping those 2.5kg, i would just use the mirror as your frame of reference instead of the scale, if you want to just putting on some muscle than go for it. I know I need to multiply my BMR times my activity rating thingy to figure out how much to eat for maintenance, I am just saying I am eating below my BMR without any activity even though I work out every day, which must mean am eating a lot less than what I should be eating for maintnace (like a lot less.) And should be dropping weight faster than I am :/ ok so figured I would uhh post an updated here and just here what people say. I have decided to slightly change my diet though, which should reduce\remove almost all salts\sodiums and some of the carbs in my diet which i guess will mean losing water weight and probably reaching 75kg faster, which sort of feels like cheating would like to make sure I reach this goal before my vacation hits, even if it means slightly cheating. (As for the reason I set this goal, it was just I realized I wanted to lose some weight before I started putting on muscle, and I set 75kg as my goal, and when I set this goal I was 100% determined to stick to it, and still am. I realize that in terms of the whole big picture, i could just start eating more and gaining more muscle now and be better off, but I set myself this goal and I don't want to skip it.) So its now officially 1 month (was 15th last month) that I clocked in at 77.6 (At the time it was an all time low weight, out after a night of drinking, after that I bounced up again to 78~79 and then down again a bit.) And today I weighed in at 77.4, which now is at my 'high point' ( here is weighins of last 11 days : 78.0 77,5 77,8 77,1 77,1 77,1 77,1 77,4 76,7 75,9 76,9 77,4) Is things going this slow\stagnating this way for 1~month still normal? I keep reading all that matters is calories in\out, but don't see why im not losing faster then. According to most calculators my 'high-average' is 1000-1500 kcals below what my maintenance should be. (I Work out every day ,77~kg male 24 years old 1.81 tall, most calculators put me at around 2.8-3k calories, and I eat about 1500.) Could something like me eating the same every day affect it? For 'breakfast'\affer working out in the morning, i have the same every day( protein shake) and for 'dinner'\last meal of the day i have the same every day, and the midday meal varies depending on if i work or not. In spoiler : what I eat. + Show Spoiler + "Breakfast": Protein powder: 170 kcal 33g prot 4,5g carb 4g fat milk: 86kcal 6,6prot 9,4 carb 2,4 ffat Total: 256 'Dinner': Butter that I fry meat in 50kcal 5g fat 350g Low fat minced meat: 430 kcal 66,5 prot 0 carb 17.5 fett pineapple: 68 kcal .7 pro 18g carb cucumber: 27 kjcal 1g protein 6g carb Sauce: 36kcal 1 prot 7,3 carb 0,3 fett Spicepack thing: 88,8 kcal 6,6 prot 58,0 carb 3,7 fat Total: 700 kcal ~ And then for the midday meal either 70g oatmeal: 255 kcal 8,9 prot 41.5 carb 4.5 fat Fishoil omega3 capsules etc: 45 kcal or 2 or 3 small breads\buns\whatever 170 kcal each (total of 200 if i include what I put on them.) so 400 or 600 kcal there depending on day. And last but not least I eat carrots throughout the day, depending on the day somwhere between 200-500grams. totalling at most 200kcals. There. So at most I am looking at a max of 1.7k calories. I frequently go a bit lower, and pretty much never above\never have any 'cheating' Have had 1 day when I went out to a restaurant to eat, and 1 day where I went to the movie theaters and had a moderate amount of snacks but ate less to compensate. I guess main things I am looking for input in, is very little variation in what I eat bad for me\going to hinder my weight loss, and is this kind of stagnation in weightloss common\to be expected? Have decided to remove the sauce and spicepack from the meat\dinner meal as I consider them to be the 'guilty pleasure' in my diet and is also a pretty large amount of salt in them which makes me retain\hold lots of water weight I guess. As for activity level, I Work out every day (Do 3 days of 30~minute HIT cardio on bike , 3 days of starting strength, and 1 day of yoga, doing the p90x yogaprogram thing.) Work 3-4 days a week which is like 7-8 hours of standing up \walking around adecent amount, and on most days also do some extra light exercise activity like go for a 30-60 minute walk or something, if im not doing anything else. I started the diet\losing weight like 2 months ago maybe a bit more, at 83~84 kg i think, when I Started out, and progress was going ok\fine untill i hit 77~78. I Was eating a bit more in my diet (in terms of kcals) and not working out as much. | ||
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decafchicken
United States20010 Posts
Unless you have a specific reason for dropping those 2.5kg, i would just use the mirror as your frame of reference instead of the scale, if you want to just put on some muscle than go for it. bodyfat % and how you look in the mirror will be better indications of your progress towards your goal than your overall weight. I can weigh anywhere from 98kg to 103kg depending on when i weigh myself/what i did for the last week so its not the best measure for me unless i'm trying to make a weightclass for lifting. Eating the same thing everyday is fine and i actually prefer it. routines are easy and predictable. | ||
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Schwopzi
Netherlands954 Posts
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Earll
Norway847 Posts
On July 16 2013 05:33 Schwopzi wrote: Hitting 1500 kcal under maintenance is pretty damn heavy, you really shouldn't do that for too long. Common recommendations state to start from a 500 deficit and scale from there depending on results. What are the downsides to doing this though? Obviously its not at all good for lifts\muscle 'gain'\not losing muscle, but apart from that. Should it not theoretically lead to losing weight faster than 500 deficit? | ||
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
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decafchicken
United States20010 Posts
On July 16 2013 07:44 Earll wrote: What are the downsides to doing this though? Obviously its not at all good for lifts\muscle 'gain'\not losing muscle, but apart from that. Should it not theoretically lead to losing weight faster than 500 deficit? You'll probably constantly feel like shit, tired, and hungry. | ||
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