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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24768 Posts
September 01 2013 16:02 GMT
#3061
I'm not sure how expensive it would be, but maybe I should get my own bar and weights so I can learn all these exercises at home where there's more room. I would be able to look up form/etc during and even videotape myself with ease.

I could do it outside of course, but if it was poor weather outside and I wanted to do exercises inside would I want to put a certain type of padding down on the floor?
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MtlGuitarist97
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1539 Posts
September 01 2013 16:10 GMT
#3062
On September 02 2013 01:02 micronesia wrote:
I'm not sure how expensive it would be, but maybe I should get my own bar and weights so I can learn all these exercises at home where there's more room. I would be able to look up form/etc during and even videotape myself with ease.

I could do it outside of course, but if it was poor weather outside and I wanted to do exercises inside would I want to put a certain type of padding down on the floor?

Meh the bar should probably cost you ~$250-300. Rogue makes pretty good gear (even though Decaf doesn't like them, I've heard good things about them and their stuff is backed with good warranties and is reasonably priced), and their bumper plate deals actually come with free shipping and handling and no tax. They aren't the best manufacturer for this kind of stuff, but for just getting a pretty good bar and plates you can get a pretty good deal. The issue is really going to be the plates, since it can cost you at least $1/lb for weights. Probably going to cost you more like $1.50 per lb, if not more.
ieatkids5
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States4628 Posts
September 01 2013 16:21 GMT
#3063
micronesia, buying your own bar, plates, and squat rack is a pretty big investment. are you planning on replacing your gym membership with a home gym? in the long run, it'll definitely be cheaper to buy your own bar and stuff.

On September 01 2013 21:26 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:
Hey guys, I've been mainly lurking for some time.

I'm really sick again (bronchitis) and after a routine blood test my doctor discovered that I have hypocholesterolism (not to be confused with hyper). My LDL cholesterol is sitting at 20mg/dl, which is anorexic/severe illness/hypolipidemia area.

Does anybody know what I should be eating in this case? My doctor said eggs and more eggs, but I'm sure there's more to it than that.

what's your current diet?
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24768 Posts
September 01 2013 16:24 GMT
#3064
ieatkids5 I'm just brainstorming for now and finding out more.

Is a squat rack the squat equivalent to where you put the bar when you are benching? As in, a place to place the bar that is near your starting position? According to the pictures I am looking at (haven't done squats before) it seems pretty important. I would guess deadlifts on the other hand wouldn't require a rack, but would require padding instead since you are constantly putting the bar down on the floor.

Which are the other key exercises you guys suggest besides squats and deadlifts that use a standard barbell? I want to try and get a mental picture of what equipment this all requires.
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ieatkids5
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States4628 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-01 16:34:29
September 01 2013 16:31 GMT
#3065
yep, that's what a squat rack is. you'll need it.

but if you're just starting out with the bar (and maybe very light weights) to get your form down first, you don't actually need it, since you can just pick up the bar and put it behind your neck on your traps. once you cannot do that easily anymore, you'll need a squat rack definitely.

i think most people make themselves a wooden platform if they don't want to damage their floor for deadlifts.

if you're doing stronglifts, besides the bar and plates, this is what you'll need:
squat - squat rack
deadlift - wooden platform, unless you are doing it in your garage or outside
bench press - bench
overhead press - nothing
barbell rows - nothing
MtlGuitarist97
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1539 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-01 16:36:12
September 01 2013 16:35 GMT
#3066
On September 02 2013 01:31 ieatkids5 wrote:
yep, that's what a squat rack is. you'll need it.

but if you're just starting out with the bar (and maybe very light weights) to get your form down first, you don't actually need it, since you can just pick up the bar and put it behind your neck on your traps. once you cannot do that easily anymore, you'll need a squat rack definitely.

i think most people make themselves a wooden platform if they don't want to damage their floor for deadlifts.

if you're doing stronglifts, the only other thing you need is a bench.

It's better to just get one to begin with I think. It makes benching easier and it's more convenient. The one I'm looking at for my basement (I have 7' ceilings in my basement and no space T_T) is actually called an indy stand where it has two separate pieces.

http://www.roguefitness.com/s4-h-base.php

With something like this, you can then get something like clip on bars to store your weights on. It's all very convenient and with the two separate bases it makes it take up less floor space if I ever need to pack it up or store it, so it's pretty good for tight spaces.
Catch
Profile Joined September 2010
United States616 Posts
September 01 2013 19:50 GMT
#3067
Can't remember how much poundage it is okay to lose per week while on a diet.

I thought it was 1-2 lbs/week.

Help?! :D

@Micro: word of caution. I did the same thing as you, getting a squat rack/bench/all that in my house instead of the gym. It wasn't nearly the same... I like being in the gym because it was my time away from everything. Having it at my house didn't let me do that. I drove it back to rogue (They are a few hour drive for me) and they refunded me 90% of it (They have a use=no return policy, so I got lucky). Just food for thought.
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GuiltyJerk
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States584 Posts
September 01 2013 22:22 GMT
#3068
On September 02 2013 04:50 Catch wrote:
Can't remember how much poundage it is okay to lose per week while on a diet.

I thought it was 1-2 lbs/week.

Help?! :D

@Micro: word of caution. I did the same thing as you, getting a squat rack/bench/all that in my house instead of the gym. It wasn't nearly the same... I like being in the gym because it was my time away from everything. Having it at my house didn't let me do that. I drove it back to rogue (They are a few hour drive for me) and they refunded me 90% of it (They have a use=no return policy, so I got lucky). Just food for thought.



1-2 is correct, closer to the 2 if you have a pretty high body fat percentage, on the lower end of that as you get leaner.

And I'm on the opposite side of that, I really like being able to focus on my workout without worrying about what everyone around me is doing or if I'm hogging a rack/not having to worry about waiting for a rack. Depends on the kind of person you are though, your mileage may vary. (Worth noting that the home gym I use is my parents' when I visit them during breaks from college, and is in a separate building from the main house, so in two ways it's kind of out of my normal routine to begin with)
Jimmy Raynor
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
902 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-02 05:02:49
September 02 2013 04:56 GMT
#3069
I have been reading recently different opinions about cardio. Some say it is useless, some say it is bad for weight loss, other say how it can burn your muscle, how jogging can make you look skinny, people showing pictures of marathoners looking skinny etc.

There are also other opinions saying cardio won't burn your muscle if you eat properly and so on. I don't have time to read hundreds different opinions of both sides on the matter so I am looking for a simple answer - do I have to worry about this stuff if I run 5-6km, 3 to 4 days a week?
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-02 05:22:11
September 02 2013 05:21 GMT
#3070
On September 02 2013 13:56 Jimmy Raynor wrote:
I have been reading recently different opinions about cardio. Some say it is useless, some say it is bad for weight loss, other say how it can burn your muscle, how jogging can make you look skinny, people showing pictures of marathoners looking skinny etc.

There are also other opinions saying cardio won't burn your muscle if you eat properly and so on. I don't have time to read hundreds different opinions of both sides on the matter so I am looking for a simple answer - do I have to worry about this stuff if I run 5-6km, 3 to 4 days a week?



Really long duration steady state cardio is going to increase your cortisol levels, which will technically cause catabolism.

5km is not a marathon, so you shouldn't be looking at marathoners for examples of what a 5k will do to you.

If you're eating enough protein and doing some lifting alongside it, it's not going to be any noticeable effect, and it's going to raise the number of calories you burn per day, so weight loss wise it's the same as just eating less without the willpower. Plus it's obviously good for your cardiovascular system.
Jimmy Raynor
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
902 Posts
September 02 2013 05:28 GMT
#3071
On September 02 2013 14:21 phyre112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 13:56 Jimmy Raynor wrote:
I have been reading recently different opinions about cardio. Some say it is useless, some say it is bad for weight loss, other say how it can burn your muscle, how jogging can make you look skinny, people showing pictures of marathoners looking skinny etc.

There are also other opinions saying cardio won't burn your muscle if you eat properly and so on. I don't have time to read hundreds different opinions of both sides on the matter so I am looking for a simple answer - do I have to worry about this stuff if I run 5-6km, 3 to 4 days a week?



Really long duration steady state cardio is going to increase your cortisol levels, which will technically cause catabolism.

5km is not a marathon, so you shouldn't be looking at marathoners for examples of what a 5k will do to you.

If you're eating enough protein and doing some lifting alongside it, it's not going to be any noticeable effect, and it's going to raise the number of calories you burn per day, so weight loss wise it's the same as just eating less without the willpower. Plus it's obviously good for your cardiovascular system.


Thanks for the answer but what if I am only running, no lifting?
NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands1242 Posts
September 02 2013 13:46 GMT
#3072
@Micronesia I would recommend just joining a gym; the upfront investment is much less, you get some kind of competition and furthermore if you decide that you want to lift for vanity purposes there is a LOT of equipment there that will help with that. Think specific exercises, cable stations, dumbbells etc. You just don't know how you will approach lifting and fitness in 2 years and that barbell and plates might essentially just be taking up space.
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MtlGuitarist97
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1539 Posts
September 02 2013 16:34 GMT
#3073
When you're starting with the deadlift, how much weight should you use? Never touched a barbell in my life (used dumbbells and bodyweight exercises pretty heavily before though). In SS, Rippetoe suggests something like 88 lbs or 135 lbs, but is there a good starting place where you can learn form correctly at the right height?
ieatkids5
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States4628 Posts
September 02 2013 18:00 GMT
#3074
i started my deadlift the same as all my other lifts - just the bar. then kept doing reps and adding on 10 lbs until i got up to 135, which is when i started struggling with the form. previously, i had done deadlifts using dumbbells up to 140 i think, but the barbell was different so i started over.

use a power rack's safety bars to raise the height of the bar when not using 45lb plates. or set the bar on top of plates or blocks.
MtlGuitarist97
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1539 Posts
September 02 2013 18:41 GMT
#3075
On September 03 2013 03:00 ieatkids5 wrote:
i started my deadlift the same as all my other lifts - just the bar. then kept doing reps and adding on 10 lbs until i got up to 135, which is when i started struggling with the form. previously, i had done deadlifts using dumbbells up to 140 i think, but the barbell was different so i started over.

use a power rack's safety bars to raise the height of the bar when not using 45lb plates. or set the bar on top of plates or blocks.

I don't have access to a power rack, but I do have access to plates, so I guess I'll try that.
BeMannerDuPenner
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Germany5638 Posts
September 02 2013 19:21 GMT
#3076
On September 02 2013 14:28 Jimmy Raynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 14:21 phyre112 wrote:
On September 02 2013 13:56 Jimmy Raynor wrote:
I have been reading recently different opinions about cardio. Some say it is useless, some say it is bad for weight loss, other say how it can burn your muscle, how jogging can make you look skinny, people showing pictures of marathoners looking skinny etc.

There are also other opinions saying cardio won't burn your muscle if you eat properly and so on. I don't have time to read hundreds different opinions of both sides on the matter so I am looking for a simple answer - do I have to worry about this stuff if I run 5-6km, 3 to 4 days a week?



Really long duration steady state cardio is going to increase your cortisol levels, which will technically cause catabolism.

5km is not a marathon, so you shouldn't be looking at marathoners for examples of what a 5k will do to you.

If you're eating enough protein and doing some lifting alongside it, it's not going to be any noticeable effect, and it's going to raise the number of calories you burn per day, so weight loss wise it's the same as just eating less without the willpower. Plus it's obviously good for your cardiovascular system.


Thanks for the answer but what if I am only running, no lifting?


well if you do it for weightloss it also means for looks. which again means you should lift cause skinny fat isnt nice either.

also from what i heared (and as the other one said, there are countless opinions on that) most effective for fatloss is lifting+cardio(running). if you dont want to go to a gym/invest in stuff go running and do bodyweight stuff id say

When you're starting with the deadlift, how much weight should you use? Never touched a barbell in my life (used dumbbells and bodyweight exercises pretty heavily before though). In SS, Rippetoe suggests something like 88 lbs or 135 lbs, but is there a good starting place where you can learn form correctly at the right height?


SL starts at 40kg iirc, unless youre a real lightweight that should be doable for evryone. for height just use some plates under the bar. imo empty bar deadlift is strange cause it really feels wrong/different but if you just want to get into the right position the first time then thats fine.
just be careful and learn/focus proper form with the deadlift, its super fun and safe if you do it right, but it will scare you and can do lotsa harm if not.
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phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-03 08:44:13
September 03 2013 08:40 GMT
#3077
On September 02 2013 14:28 Jimmy Raynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 14:21 phyre112 wrote:
On September 02 2013 13:56 Jimmy Raynor wrote:
I have been reading recently different opinions about cardio. Some say it is useless, some say it is bad for weight loss, other say how it can burn your muscle, how jogging can make you look skinny, people showing pictures of marathoners looking skinny etc.

There are also other opinions saying cardio won't burn your muscle if you eat properly and so on. I don't have time to read hundreds different opinions of both sides on the matter so I am looking for a simple answer - do I have to worry about this stuff if I run 5-6km, 3 to 4 days a week?



Really long duration steady state cardio is going to increase your cortisol levels, which will technically cause catabolism.

5km is not a marathon, so you shouldn't be looking at marathoners for examples of what a 5k will do to you.

If you're eating enough protein and doing some lifting alongside it, it's not going to be any noticeable effect, and it's going to raise the number of calories you burn per day, so weight loss wise it's the same as just eating less without the willpower. Plus it's obviously good for your cardiovascular system.


Thanks for the answer but what if I am only running, no lifting?


Well why the hell would you want to do that?

Just running, and assuming a calorie deficit, then you'll just lose weight. you'll lose it from all over your body, and if you're not very lean right now, you'll lose mostly fat. Once you start to get to lower percentages though, you'll probably hate the way you end up looking, because skinny just doesn't look good.

On September 03 2013 01:34 MtlGuitarist97 wrote:
When you're starting with the deadlift, how much weight should you use? Never touched a barbell in my life (used dumbbells and bodyweight exercises pretty heavily before though). In SS, Rippetoe suggests something like 88 lbs or 135 lbs, but is there a good starting place where you can learn form correctly at the right height?


If you want to use bumpers, they'll give you the proper height no matter the weight you use... but you will damage the bumper plates if you try to use anything less than 25lb bumpers on a 45lb bar. 5/10/15lb plates are just too thin to take the weight of a 45lb bar, so they'll fold up or break. But I've trained 110lb girls who were able to do 95lb deadlifts their first day, so that shouldn't be much problem. If it is, due to injury or whatever then set smaller metal plates on top of blocks, or other plates.
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
September 03 2013 09:00 GMT
#3078
Girls' deadlift strength always surprises me. DAT POSTERIOR CHAIN. hmm
MtlGuitarist97
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1539 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-03 14:21:59
September 03 2013 11:08 GMT
#3079
If you want to use bumpers, they'll give you the proper height no matter the weight you use... but you will damage the bumper plates if you try to use anything less than 25lb bumpers on a 45lb bar. 5/10/15lb plates are just too thin to take the weight of a 45lb bar, so they'll fold up or break. But I've trained 110lb girls who were able to do 95lb deadlifts their first day, so that shouldn't be much problem. If it is, due to injury or whatever then set smaller metal plates on top of blocks, or other plates.

I know the whole point of the bumpers is to be able to drop them, but if I don't drop the bumpers then those are fine to use?

And if I have 10/15 lb bumpers, it's ok to drop them as long as I loaded the bar with a 25, 35, or 45 bumper as well?

Edit: And last two of my dumb questions for before I start:

1.) If I don't have weightlifting shoes, do I squat barefoot or just use my regular sneakers?

2.) Is it ok to do high bar squats, or should I stick with low bar squats?
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
September 03 2013 16:32 GMT
#3080
On September 01 2013 21:26 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:
Hey guys, I've been mainly lurking for some time.

I'm really sick again (bronchitis) and after a routine blood test my doctor discovered that I have hypocholesterolism (not to be confused with hyper). My LDL cholesterol is sitting at 20mg/dl, which is anorexic/severe illness/hypolipidemia area.

Does anybody know what I should be eating in this case? My doctor said eggs and more eggs, but I'm sure there's more to it than that.

I was under the impression dietary cholesterol =/= blood cholesterol. Anyone care to comment more on this? Can't have it both ways.
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