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9-BiT
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1089 Posts
August 27 2013 23:13 GMT
#3021
Alright thanks guys, you have really inspired me a little bit ^^, I'll try out doing some major freeweights with just the bar first to get the form right. Also will help me stop giving a fuck about other people, because I'm being a self conscious little bitch.
kwark_uk: @father_sc learn to play maybe?
BenKen
Profile Joined August 2009
United States860 Posts
August 28 2013 00:38 GMT
#3022
Great to hear 9-bit! You've basically chosen the red pill and and chosen to be awesome (that's a reference to the Matrix, if you are too young for that kind of thing). I'd suggest using the starting strength program as a guide. It's just three basic movements a day, for three sets of five, three times a week. Every session you increase the weight lifted per rep by five pounds. The book is pretty good too.

http://startingstrength.wikia.com/wiki/FAQ:The_Program#The_First_Workout

If you want to, head over here and set some goals and keep track:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=391848

A lot of us post there, from straight-up beginners to some pretty badass dudes.
I deadlift for Aiur
9-BiT
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1089 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-28 02:29:52
August 28 2013 02:29 GMT
#3023
On August 28 2013 09:38 BenKen wrote:
Great to hear 9-bit! You've basically chosen the red pill and and chosen to be awesome (that's a reference to the Matrix, if you are too young for that kind of thing). I'd suggest using the starting strength program as a guide. It's just three basic movements a day, for three sets of five, three times a week. Every session you increase the weight lifted per rep by five pounds. The book is pretty good too.

http://startingstrength.wikia.com/wiki/FAQ:The_Program#The_First_Workout

If you want to, head over here and set some goals and keep track:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=391848

A lot of us post there, from straight-up beginners to some pretty badass dudes.

Thoughts on 5x5? I had planned on doing this as it seemed kind of up my alley, simple and effective, with plenty of consideration of form and warmups etc.
Matrix? You mean like the math function?
kwark_uk: @father_sc learn to play maybe?
ieatkids5
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States4628 Posts
August 28 2013 02:38 GMT
#3024
i like SL 5x5 more than starting strength cuz it has an upper body pull (barbell rows). i guess power cleans can be considered an upper body pull, but w/e. actually if you want an exercise that's easier to learn, you could substitute pullups for the barbell rows in SL5x5.

also, you're kidding about the matrix right? (can't tell from written words lol)
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20022 Posts
August 28 2013 03:17 GMT
#3025
5x5 is pretty similar, both will get you where you wanna be
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
9-BiT
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1089 Posts
August 28 2013 04:08 GMT
#3026
On August 28 2013 12:17 decafchicken wrote:
5x5 is pretty similar, both will get you where you wanna be

At what point do I transition out of it? And to what?
kwark_uk: @father_sc learn to play maybe?
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20022 Posts
August 28 2013 04:43 GMT
#3027
When you stop making gains on it and a few deloads (read about it). From there generally people continue strength training, bodybuilding, Olympic weightlifting, or something sport specific depending on what you fancy.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
9-BiT
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1089 Posts
August 28 2013 04:53 GMT
#3028
On August 28 2013 13:43 decafchicken wrote:
When you stop making gains on it and a few deloads (read about it). From there generally people continue strength training, bodybuilding, Olympic weightlifting, or something sport specific depending on what you fancy.

It just seems like a very simple program to stick with for a long time. There isn't any suggested transition? I feel like this is an 11/11 rax, just not sure how to transition
kwark_uk: @father_sc learn to play maybe?
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20022 Posts
August 28 2013 05:09 GMT
#3029
Simple build orders get you far in the ladder. Once you're moving some weight you'll have a better idea of what you want to transition into. Once you're grinding out five reps at 300 pounds on the squat it won't seem as simple :-P
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
9-BiT
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1089 Posts
August 28 2013 05:28 GMT
#3030
I see. Thanks again for the help, I'll be back soon.
kwark_uk: @father_sc learn to play maybe?
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12704 Posts
August 28 2013 13:58 GMT
#3031
People think it sounds boring and I kinda get that but the repetition can be very helpful. You don't need to calculate percentages, remember all the different rep ranges for all your different exercises, what you managed to do the last time you did them 6 days ago etc. It's simply add weight if you got 3x5(5x5) the last time. And you can see the progress clearly. Honestly, it's just a good feeling and keeps you motivated and coming back to the gym, which is critical as a beginner. Consistency = results.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
BenKen
Profile Joined August 2009
United States860 Posts
August 28 2013 18:12 GMT
#3032
Agree with everything everyone else said. 5x5 is fine and works just as well. There's a version of SS that subs barbell rows for power-cleans, so if you go the SS route I'd suggest that.

The Matrix is an awesome movie you should watch sometime... unless you are just kidding, then well-played sir.
I deadlift for Aiur
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20022 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-28 18:47:22
August 28 2013 18:46 GMT
#3033
On August 29 2013 03:12 BenKen wrote:
Agree with everything everyone else said. 5x5 is fine and works just as well. There's a version of SS that subs barbell rows for power-cleans, so if you go the SS route I'd suggest that.

The Matrix is an awesome movie you should watch sometime... unless you are just kidding, then well-played sir.


Power cleans are your friend, don't sub them out
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24690 Posts
August 28 2013 18:57 GMT
#3034
Does 5x5 mean five sets of five reps? If so, how long between each set?
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12704 Posts
August 28 2013 19:01 GMT
#3035
On August 29 2013 03:57 micronesia wrote:
Does 5x5 mean five sets of five reps? If so, how long between each set?

Yep exactly. Normally it's 1-3 min in between. Kinda depends. If you want to measure progress on lifts the most important thing is consistency in rest periods. 5x5 100lb with 1 min breaks is a tad different then completing 5x5 115lb with 3 min breaks.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
BenKen
Profile Joined August 2009
United States860 Posts
August 28 2013 19:23 GMT
#3036
On August 29 2013 03:46 decafchicken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2013 03:12 BenKen wrote:
Agree with everything everyone else said. 5x5 is fine and works just as well. There's a version of SS that subs barbell rows for power-cleans, so if you go the SS route I'd suggest that.

The Matrix is an awesome movie you should watch sometime... unless you are just kidding, then well-played sir.


Power cleans are your friend, don't sub them out

I agree that power cleans are awesome, but for a pure, never-touched-a-barbell beginner with no coach, I think doing rows until the trainee gets a good athletic base to work with is a better route to go. Power cleans can be hard to learn for some people, but anybody can watch a youtube video and do a row.
I deadlift for Aiur
ieatkids5
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States4628 Posts
August 29 2013 14:36 GMT
#3037


4:51, he says that it's not ok for the knees to travel past the toes. why is this? just curious. my ankles actually aren't flexible enough for the knees to go past the toes anyway.
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20022 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-29 20:31:57
August 29 2013 20:31 GMT
#3038
I believe he's saying that because sometimes when peoples knees track too far forwards their weight comes off their heel/midfoot towards the front and the center of gravity moves to far forward.

Obviously this girl's knees come well past her toes but her torso is upright and center of gravity well maintained over her base giving her a solid drive. (so jealous, dat dorsaflexion & torso)

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how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
Snuggles
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1865 Posts
August 30 2013 03:46 GMT
#3039
The past few days something has been bugging me. I know there are unwritten rules of the gym, most of them are very obvious but here's one that I've kind of made up for myself ever since someone has emergency spotted me a while back when I first started. However, since then I don't know whether or not this is a norm or just something I'm overly thinking.

So every time I'm in the close proximity of someone doing their big lifts, bench press or squat, I feel like we're vaguely keeping an eye on each other on how our lifts go. A few days ago I was doing deadlifts next to a guy who was doing some nice ATG squats. We did have that safety rack there, but to get ATG he had to back away from it. Basically I would do my set, and immediately after I began resting he did his. We would alternate, my deadlifting of course is pretty damn safe, but this dude kept loading up more weight, he was doing 215 2x8 then he went on for a tough looking 225 x 6. Seeing how kind everyone was to me in the temple of iron I felt it was natural for me to try to repay people back by at least showing I was ready to run over for an emergency spot by alternating my rests with his.

But sometimes I feel like I'm being too forward with this way of thinking. Like people have to notice that I glance at them from the corner of my eye. Today I did flat bench pressing. The guy next to me was pushing 225 3x8. I don't think he paid any mind to me since I was a small ass guy compared to him but I did the same alternating thing as I did with my squat mate. Anyways I finished 2 sets of my 3x5 with real ease, while he had a real struggle it seemed like on his first set. He hit all 8 reps for sure but man it looked uneven and not that fast. The next set went very slowly from him, and he did 7 instead of 8 with uneven pushes, looked pretty rough from my prospective, any real insight on this? I did my second set real quick and then rested. 2 Minutes pass and he didn't begin yet so I went ahead and did my last set with ease (my measly 115lb, but idc I get to use new plates next workout without fear!). Right after that he went ahead did his last set, 7 reps again, took a glance at me and racked his bar and that's the end of the story.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24690 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-30 04:56:37
August 30 2013 04:03 GMT
#3040
Although I don't have much gym experience I see it this way Snuggles: If you are watching someone so carefully that you can say how many reps they are doing, you are watching them too closely. That is what is against etiquette. You can keep an eye on them just to make sure they aren't struggling to get the bar back up without watching them.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
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