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inimenesc
Estonia374 Posts
(al murray) I am having sharp pains in left ?chestmuscle? above heart, i know it isnt heart because i only get the pain while benchpressing, muscle strain? should i take easier on benchpress? i will go to medical examination soon and questions i should ask would be welcome. -e- also this topic would be nothing without eshlow, big thanks to him!  | ||
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shinosai
United States1577 Posts
On September 17 2011 23:54 eshlow wrote: This is incorrect. Obese people, in general, have not made any adaptations towards exercise. Therefore, any type of stimulus, especially one of weights, is going to be able to force enough damage in the muscles to provide a hypertrophy response. SAID principle -- Specific Adaptation to Imposed Demands. There is some stuff about how most of the gains in the initial 3-4 weeks of lean tissue is not muscle mass but just through strength gains. Regardless, any increase in lean mass with a caloric deficit is going to be burning fat as energy to build lean tissues (and you need other lean tissue structures to support hypertrophy anyway so it's a moot point). I would like to read the series of articles though if you can give me a link to that. http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/training-the-obese-beginner-part-2.html | ||
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
On September 18 2011 00:21 shinosai wrote: http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/training-the-obese-beginner-part-2.html Yeah, so note the fact that if you can do 2.5-3 hours of exercise per day it's useful do cardio as well. Note as he says it's 25/75% weights/cardio and with the 3+ hour workouts that's nearly an hour of weight training. So yes, you get some addititive effects (and the studies back that up). However, Sending people to the gym who may only have <=1 hour to do things, it generally more useful to do things with higher intensity that can stimulate muscle mass, increase, strength, etc. Regardless of insulin resistance, metabolic syndrome, etc. any type of exercise is effective at improving the related factors involved. (Plus the fact that cardio for heavy people can be very bad for the joints if they're extremely heavy and doing it with poor technique... well, as can weights but yeah). The simple fact of the matter is that training itself -- cardio, weights,etc, -- matters very little compared to diet for weight loss or weight gain (especially including fat). As I've stated here before nutrition is really 80-85% of the equation with these types of people. Don't get me wrong, I think that cardio can be useful for weight loss. However, I would put people on weighted training first -- and having been my experience across many different people including some here it seems more effective for those with limited amounts of time. | ||
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shinosai
United States1577 Posts
On September 18 2011 00:49 eshlow wrote: Yeah, so note the fact that if you can do 2.5-3 hours of exercise per day it's useful do cardio as well. Note as he says it's 25/75% weights/cardio and with the 3+ hour workouts that's nearly an hour of weight training. So yes, you get some addititive effects (and the studies back that up). However, Sending people to the gym who may only have <=1 hour to do things, it generally more useful to do things with higher intensity that can stimulate muscle mass, increase, strength, etc. Regardless of insulin resistance, metabolic syndrome, etc. any type of exercise is effective at improving the related factors involved. (Plus the fact that cardio for heavy people can be very bad for the joints if they're extremely heavy and doing it with poor technique... well, as can weights but yeah). The simple fact of the matter is that training itself -- cardio, weights,etc, -- matters very little compared to diet for weight loss or weight gain (especially including fat). As I've stated here before nutrition is really 80-85% of the equation with these types of people. Don't get me wrong, I think that cardio can be useful for weight loss. However, I would put people on weighted training first -- and having been my experience across many different people including some here it seems more effective for those with limited amounts of time. Yea, I agree with you. The argument wasn't really about that, though, but whether or not obese people can build muscle. The person was saying that obese people do not build muscle while they are losing weight, they only lose it, and they do not build muscle. And if they weight train, lean muscle already there is simply "repurposed". My intuition tells me that there's no such thing as "repurposing" muscle, though. Muscle is built and the "inessential lbm" is catabolized. edit: As always, thanks for the response. You changed my life, can't wait for the subforum. | ||
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inimenesc
Estonia374 Posts
Whole spring i did cardio 5 times a week 2h a time. I didnt go anywhere. At summer i added weightlifting and cut down the cardio and things felt much better and i look awesome. Now i but more in the weighlifting and cardio comes from basketball which is HIIT, stop and run all the time, sprint and jump. Now i do only cardio at basketball practice. Warmup before weightlifting doesnt count. | ||
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HerbalTylenol
62 Posts
On September 17 2011 23:54 eshlow wrote: Generally, carrying heavy backpacks are not a good idea. There's been a bunch of research done on this in children and it doesn't look good because it modifies gait and posture a lot. If you wanna do farmers walk and stuff do them in the gym.... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12671488 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12942009 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16670549 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11805666 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15211269 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19369725 etc. Ahh thanks for this. I've been wanting to show my sister-in-law some hard proof about heavy backpacks! Her kids carry 20-30 lbs backpacks and they're still pretty young in my eyes. Hopefully reading these articles she'll change her mind. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
If I'm feeling any problems I will abolish my idea, but right now it has done nothing but good. | ||
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stevarius
United States1394 Posts
On September 17 2011 15:41 Froadac wrote: I hit 2800 calories today. And that was so much. How do you guys do it? :/ Milk. | ||
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BouBou.865
Netherlands814 Posts
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decafchicken
United States20022 Posts
clean and jerk: 135, 140, 145kg total: 262kg Sinclair: 300 Best open male lifter vids to come. | ||
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AoN.DimSum
United States2983 Posts
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On September 18 2011 06:00 decafchicken wrote: snatch: 110(miss), 110, 117kg clean and jerk: 135, 140, 145kg total: 262kg Sinclair: 300 Best open male lifter vids to come. Decaf mind me asking how much you weigh ^^ I saw pictures of you (jealous) but never got your mass. | ||
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decafchicken
United States20022 Posts
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
On September 18 2011 06:00 decafchicken wrote: snatch: 110(miss), 110, 117kg clean and jerk: 135, 140, 145kg total: 262kg Sinclair: 300 Best open male lifter vids to come. Beast, gj! | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On September 18 2011 06:23 decafchicken wrote: weighed in today at 92.7 kg aka like 205 (light )Haha damn, if that's light what's the goal? | ||
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decafchicken
United States20022 Posts
On September 18 2011 06:41 FiWiFaKi wrote: Haha damn, if that's light what's the goal? my weight class is 94. I want to move up to 105/231, but its Fucking hard when you burn like 4000 cal a day. | ||
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phyre112
United States3090 Posts
On September 18 2011 07:01 decafchicken wrote: my weight class is 94. I want to move up to 105/231, but its Fucking hard when you burn like 4000 cal a day. I'm aiming to weigh ~240 in the next couple years. Race? XD | ||
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decafchicken
United States20022 Posts
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sJarl
Iceland1699 Posts
On September 18 2011 06:23 decafchicken wrote: weighed in today at 92.7 kg aka like 205 (light )lol, you so skinny. gj on the meet! <3 | ||
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Metallingus
Philippines468 Posts
I know) but I kinda wanna stay at this weight range. Not really aiming to look lean, more on powerful (I'm only 5'9" though, not sure how it'll play out given my height) | ||
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