TL Health and Fitness Initiative 2011 - Page 591

On September 17 2011 10:05 Malinor wrote:
3am and I am wide awake, that's what I get for napping twice today, not even that Power Clean session today makes me tired at all
If only it would rain outside so I could take a nice refreshing walk.

On September 17 2011 10:07 Malinor wrote:


Doesn't matter for you, you need to eat, or do you want to be mistaken for a freshman again?
But eshlow would probably recommend something like 40%-50% max, but less if possible, if I had to take a wild guess.

On September 17 2011 10:07 HerbalTylenol wrote:


Yep that's what I'm understanding from his posts. However, the only reason I've found for him advocating this is that it's generally just easier for most people to do. Easy doesn't necessarily mean most efficient or best results, though.

And if I prod him too much, which you can see above, he'll get mad : \ So it's fine, I think I have a general answer, but I'll keep reading responses from people.

On September 17 2011 10:07 HerbalTylenol wrote:


Yep that's what I'm understanding from his posts. However, the only reason I've found for him advocating this is that it's generally just easier for most people to do. Easy doesn't necessarily mean most efficient or best results, though.

And if I prod him too much, which you can see above, he'll get mad : \ So it's fine, I think I have a general answer, but I'll keep reading responses from people.

On September 17 2011 10:09 HerbalTylenol wrote:


Why does it have to rain? Is it that hot in Germany?

On September 17 2011 10:03 Froadac wrote:
At maximum what % should carbs make up? I think my diet is like 65% plus carbs lol.

On September 17 2011 10:15 Malinor wrote:

I don't think that's what he is trying to get across at all. Lifting heavy provides the best muscular adaptations (growth, mass, strength) plus a lot of the benefits that cardio provides (not all though), and therefore is all in all superior and also more efficient than cardio.

And eshlow doesn't get mad at you, he is only repeating the same things over and over again for 2 1/2 years and therefore sometimes loses his patience
Just make sure that when you are disagreeing with him, you have some sources to back it up with, and a blog from a shredded gamer is unfortunately not a very reliable source.

On September 17 2011 10:20 HerbalTylenol wrote:


Things is, I'm not really disagreeing. I was trying to find out if that shredded gamer was an outlier, if his routine could have been improved upon, or just things about heavy lifting that would be better than that shredded gamer's routine. In fact, I don't even care that much about his routine, I mainly wanted to know about the reason behind his low cals count.

I don't think any of my posts had a negative/disagreeing tone either. I'm actually just inquiring So I guess it's just a communication issue.

On September 17 2011 10:24 eshlow wrote:

Again, you're not understanding.

http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2009/08/the-relationship-between-diet-and-exercise/

I. Diet modulates weight.
II. Exercise modulates body composition.

1. Nutrition quality will improve how fast you lose or gain weight.
2. Exercise intensity will improve how fast your body composition changes.

These statements tell you EVERYTHING. Literally.

calories = NUTRITION issue. Nutrition is about REDUCING OR GAINING WEIGHT. Low cals = reducing weight.

TRAINING is a SEPARATE issue.

It's not that hard. I've explained this probably 5 times to you now and you still don't get it.

On September 17 2011 10:02 HerbalTylenol wrote:


You seem to be getting pretty mad at just explaining things. That's fine, you don't need to answer my question. Again, I'm just looking to get clarity and I'm asking questions. If you're getting pissed off at your inability to explain things clearly, then don't waste your time with it.


He could've improved his ability to do these things first by adding more muscle, then cutting down.
That's exactly what I wanted to know. Nowhere did I say I don't believe it. I just wasn't sure whether his way was more efficient or whether lifting and building first then cutting would be better.

So I'll just read up myself why adding more muscle and cutting after would be a quicker way to my goals compared to what this guy did...because asking questions here seems to get grumpy responses.

On September 17 2011 10:44 phyre112 wrote:

He's only grumpy because he's explained these things a hundred times over the past (almost) 600 pages. When the subforum opens up, this stuff will all be stickied, so it'll hopefully be "problem solved". Also, Eshlow has research and scientific articles to back up almost everything that he says in this thread; so arguing with him on the basis of "some guy on reddit did this and..." is a lot like trying to box someone who's holding a gun to your head.

On September 17 2011 08:47 phyre112 wrote:
Finally got to do some specific position work today at practice; keeping the head up, being quick out of the scrum, and like Decaf said "being completely fearless." Was talked through how offense is supposed to work in Rugby, but I only got about 5 minutes of actually playing it. I'm lost there - all I know is to get to the ball, try to ruck over it, and then see what happens. My defense is coming along, I suppose. I got pretty pissed the last half hour, and started playing like it... but I think that was actually finally me playing correctly. I've never been "angry" about a sport before, but I've only run cross country and played basketball so I guess that makes sense. For the first time in my life, I didn't want to just "play right", I wanted to "beat the other guy." So that was a pretty big mindset change.

Going to the gym tomorrow if I can find the time... Should be a light lift - heavy PC, c&J practice, front squat triples up to a max for the day, and then pullups. I'm bringing a guy with me that's never lifted before, so I think I'll also have to teach him back squat form, hang cleans, and... overhead press? I don't remember what goes with PC in the SS program, but OHP would be a lot easier than waiting for a bench, and having to spot him, and all that crap.

On September 17 2011 10:44 phyre112 wrote:


He's only grumpy because he's explained these things a hundred times over the past (almost) 600 pages. When the subforum opens up, this stuff will all be stickied, so it'll hopefully be "problem solved". Also, Eshlow has research and scientific articles to back up almost everything that he says in this thread; so arguing with him on the basis of "some guy on reddit did this and..." is a lot like trying to box someone who's holding a gun to your head.

I shouldn't be going out tonight, but I am. At least for a little while; team party and all that. I've got to learn some more names. I'll still be up early for ridiculous shit tomorrow, and then up late tomorrow night. I don't think it would be a rugby game without most of the team being hungover, right?

On September 17 2011 08:25 AoN.DimSum wrote:


woah.....whats his name?

My friends from uni came down to my gym today. One of them squatted 230kg at 75ish bw.

Also, my jerk is still ass....so frustrating. I kept missing 115 off blocks today. No clue how I smoked 110 but 115 felt so heavy. I prob should complain about it more in my blog.
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=2138688865211 - 110 jerk

With over 12 years of Competitive Olympic Lifting experience, Jose Carranza has been Active nationally in the Olympic Weightlifting world. Holding more than 3 Senior Michigan State records in the Snatch and Clean and Jerk and 5 Junior Michigan State records in Multiple weight categories. He is currently training at the nationally renowned Spoon Barbell Club in Richardson, Texas under Richard Flemming. He is well on his way of achieving his dream to be in the 2016 Olympic Games.

On September 17 2011 10:04 funkie wrote:
Letter from Raul to his body

Dear body,

Thank you. Thank you always being there, even when bitches wanna bring you down, you are always there to pick me up and lift me with 120kg on my back. For 3 series of 5 reps. I sincerely admire you.

Regards,
Raul.

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On September 17 2011 11:17 Rutluv wrote:
eshlow! I'd like to know what you think about my situation...

6 months ago while squatting I had a sharp pain in my left upper glute (Really close to lower back, a little to the left)

I stopped squatting for a while, a started back again later, and everything was fine although I still felt some pain sometimes. I Would wake up with some pain there, or just felt tightness.

I worked really hard on my technique because bad technique probably caused this injury. But tonight the same happened, I was squatting my working sets when a really sharp pain happened, same place as before...

I read different things when looking up symptoms, Piriformis Syndrome or sciatica. But the only pain is really in that one small region in my upper left glute. If I massage it with a tennis ball and get to that point its really painful and cant hold it for long.

What do you think that could be ? Im probably gonna go check out the sport medicine office at my university soon.

Thanks in advance!

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Marked the painful region

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On September 17 2011 12:46 Froadac wrote:
SO... went to highschool. Interesting stuff ensued.

Background: school has 2.5k people.

Walk into weights room. Some football team people are there, most are at practice. And then some stupid assholes for the most part. Don't know half of em.

Lifting coach was in there. Didn't really know the guy. Knew he taught weights... in any case.

So I start squatting (110 pounds lol) but he liked my form. He said that was really good, and although he said I was the smallest person to ever be in the weights room (know the guy is real funny) he said I was putting forth good effort. Helped me out. With deadlift pointed out I'm rounding back a little bit.

And in the most awkward thing known to man, guy said 'look, this guy knows what he's doing. WHy don't you guys stop doing bullshit bicep curls and do this..."

And they all just looked, and looked away.

In any case, he said I"m ok to use it whenever it's open for semi public use. Which during football season is not terribly often.

Also said he was a backup for US olympic powerlifting team (now is like 60)

He said he will help me with powercleans too >.>

He too advised me to "eat more stuff"

"You're confusing apples and oranges. Making strength gains and gaining lean muscle are not synonymous. I never said that obese people can't make strength gains.

But gaining strength does NOT mean someone is putting on lean muscle pounds. Someone who is extremely obese is likely to NOT put on (much if any) lean muscle at first, even though they are making strength gains. The lean muscle they have is being re-purposed, and if they are putting on any muscle in some areas, it's offset losing lean muscle in others. Read the entire series (I think there are 3 articles in the series).

Don't confuse strength gain with adding pounds of muscle - they're not (always) the same - especially for those of us who are (were) obese. "