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On March 01 2014 08:44 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2014 08:03 gtrsrs wrote:On March 01 2014 07:57 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Uh no there are some pretty specific definitions for most music genres. Yes sometimes the definitions get out of hand and convoluted, but that doesn't apply here.
I hate hardcore/electronic music but I still recognized "happycore" as a subgenre. It's decently well established. You guys are just noobs at music.
The definitions are not broad, not do we have our "own definitions," (well maybe you do, but you'd wrong), since definitions are pretty well established. 3 responses, 0 hit the intended genre, 3 hit completely different genres, "this genre is well established" okay Your ignorance does not reflect the ignorance of everyone. Indeed, how many people know it is completely inane of a concept, and is completely irrelevant. Show nested quote +On March 01 2014 08:24 Requizen wrote:On March 01 2014 08:22 kainzero wrote:I was convinced I hated dubstep. Every time people said it was great and they played some track, I couldn't help but compare it to the AOL dial-up ringtone. I started playing Beatmania IIDX again and there was a song in that game that I liked called ZED that was categorized in-game as dubstep. "Okay, you guys got me," I thought. "You guys finally made a song that I like and perhaps there is hope that I actually do like the dubstep genre." Then I read the Youtube comments. "THAT ISN'T REAL DUBSTEP, THAT'S DRUMSTEP." People are nutty. That's not rock, that's post-modern alt rock with prog undertones YOU PHILISTINE I find it amazing that people proudly flaunt their ignorance.
in america?
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On March 01 2014 08:47 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2014 08:44 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On March 01 2014 08:03 gtrsrs wrote:On March 01 2014 07:57 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Uh no there are some pretty specific definitions for most music genres. Yes sometimes the definitions get out of hand and convoluted, but that doesn't apply here.
I hate hardcore/electronic music but I still recognized "happycore" as a subgenre. It's decently well established. You guys are just noobs at music.
The definitions are not broad, not do we have our "own definitions," (well maybe you do, but you'd wrong), since definitions are pretty well established. 3 responses, 0 hit the intended genre, 3 hit completely different genres, "this genre is well established" okay Your ignorance does not reflect the ignorance of everyone. Indeed, how many people know it is completely inane of a concept, and is completely irrelevant. On March 01 2014 08:24 Requizen wrote:On March 01 2014 08:22 kainzero wrote:I was convinced I hated dubstep. Every time people said it was great and they played some track, I couldn't help but compare it to the AOL dial-up ringtone. I started playing Beatmania IIDX again and there was a song in that game that I liked called ZED that was categorized in-game as dubstep. "Okay, you guys got me," I thought. "You guys finally made a song that I like and perhaps there is hope that I actually do like the dubstep genre." Then I read the Youtube comments. "THAT ISN'T REAL DUBSTEP, THAT'S DRUMSTEP." People are nutty. That's not rock, that's post-modern alt rock with prog undertones YOU PHILISTINE I find it amazing that people proudly flaunt their ignorance. in america?
I have a friend whose hobby is to go on long rants about the increasing prominence of anti-intellectualism in America. He's sadly very correct in his observations.
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i wonder where it comes from
is it brain damaged football players banding together to beat up nersd in school or what
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On March 01 2014 08:50 Slayer91 wrote:
i wonder where it comes from
is it brain damaged football players banding together to beat up nersd in school or what
That's a symptom and effect, not a cause.
It's a pretty nebulous topic for sure, and it's probably safe to say there is no single, or even multiple clearly identifiable causes of the phenomenon, but rather, a combination of many disparate factors came together.
Or we can just blame the electronic media and popular culture and religion. That works too. Again, I think America is rather unique in how proud and arrogant people are of their own ignorance. It is socially accepted, even encouraged, to draw a equivalence with things you know nothing about with things that are not worth knowing about. Note that there is nothing wrong with ignorance, which is merely a lack of knowledge, but it is the prevailing attitude towards ignorance that becomes problematic.
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In my case it's that I was homeschooled until I was 18 and and just never had an interest in music genres, I know what I like and that's what matters.
Then again, I have always hated idiots and been an introvert...so I can't comment on how highschools in the US are.
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On March 01 2014 08:50 Slayer91 wrote:
i wonder where it comes from
is it brain damaged football players banding together to beat up nersd in school or what
The people who run our country decided that an informed citizenry is bad for profits. Thus, they are undercutting the ability and even the desirability to be smart for most people.
Bad guys win, good guys lose. gg
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On March 01 2014 08:44 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2014 08:03 gtrsrs wrote:On March 01 2014 07:57 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Uh no there are some pretty specific definitions for most music genres. Yes sometimes the definitions get out of hand and convoluted, but that doesn't apply here.
I hate hardcore/electronic music but I still recognized "happycore" as a subgenre. It's decently well established. You guys are just noobs at music.
The definitions are not broad, not do we have our "own definitions," (well maybe you do, but you'd wrong), since definitions are pretty well established. 3 responses, 0 hit the intended genre, 3 hit completely different genres, "this genre is well established" okay Your ignorance does not reflect the ignorance of everyone. Indeed, how many people know it is completely inane of a concept, and is completely irrelevant. Show nested quote +On March 01 2014 08:24 Requizen wrote:On March 01 2014 08:22 kainzero wrote:I was convinced I hated dubstep. Every time people said it was great and they played some track, I couldn't help but compare it to the AOL dial-up ringtone. I started playing Beatmania IIDX again and there was a song in that game that I liked called ZED that was categorized in-game as dubstep. "Okay, you guys got me," I thought. "You guys finally made a song that I like and perhaps there is hope that I actually do like the dubstep genre." Then I read the Youtube comments. "THAT ISN'T REAL DUBSTEP, THAT'S DRUMSTEP." People are nutty. That's not rock, that's post-modern alt rock with prog undertones YOU PHILISTINE I find it amazing that people proudly flaunt their ignorance.
I'm as proud of my ignorance as others who consider themselves "elitists" are of their perceived superiority for knowing minutia about niche knowledge bases.
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On March 01 2014 08:54 Crusnik wrote:
In my case it's that I was homeschooled until I was 18 and and just never had an interest in music genres, I know what I like and that's what matters.
Then again, I have always hated idiots and been an introvert...so I can't comment on how highschools in the US are.
There's is absolutely nothing wrong with an ignorance in a subject that is of no interest to you. But when presented with knowledge of said subject, the standard reaction is to say "WOW I can't believe there's so much detail here that's so fucking stupid fucking nerd lololol."
It's all the more amazing how often something like this rears its head on, of all things, a website dedicated to STARCRAFT PROFESSIONAL GAMING, a topic that would net the exact same reaction from well over 99% of the world population.
On March 01 2014 08:56 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2014 08:44 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On March 01 2014 08:03 gtrsrs wrote:On March 01 2014 07:57 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Uh no there are some pretty specific definitions for most music genres. Yes sometimes the definitions get out of hand and convoluted, but that doesn't apply here.
I hate hardcore/electronic music but I still recognized "happycore" as a subgenre. It's decently well established. You guys are just noobs at music.
The definitions are not broad, not do we have our "own definitions," (well maybe you do, but you'd wrong), since definitions are pretty well established. 3 responses, 0 hit the intended genre, 3 hit completely different genres, "this genre is well established" okay Your ignorance does not reflect the ignorance of everyone. Indeed, how many people know it is completely inane of a concept, and is completely irrelevant. On March 01 2014 08:24 Requizen wrote:On March 01 2014 08:22 kainzero wrote:I was convinced I hated dubstep. Every time people said it was great and they played some track, I couldn't help but compare it to the AOL dial-up ringtone. I started playing Beatmania IIDX again and there was a song in that game that I liked called ZED that was categorized in-game as dubstep. "Okay, you guys got me," I thought. "You guys finally made a song that I like and perhaps there is hope that I actually do like the dubstep genre." Then I read the Youtube comments. "THAT ISN'T REAL DUBSTEP, THAT'S DRUMSTEP." People are nutty. That's not rock, that's post-modern alt rock with prog undertones YOU PHILISTINE I find it amazing that people proudly flaunt their ignorance. I'm as proud of my ignorance as others who consider themselves "elitists" are of their perceived superiority for knowing minutia about niche knowledge bases.
Exhibit A.
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On March 01 2014 08:56 Slayer91 wrote:
george carlin
As much as I dislike conspiracy theories, I just wish it didn't ring as true as it does.
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yea its like
oh shit this type of music i have no fucking idea so i wont say anything
and then someone like requizen will be like LOL WHO CARES IS IT LIKE ROK OR POP OR RAP WAT
edit: thx based requizen for case in point
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On March 01 2014 08:57 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2014 08:54 Crusnik wrote:
In my case it's that I was homeschooled until I was 18 and and just never had an interest in music genres, I know what I like and that's what matters.
Then again, I have always hated idiots and been an introvert...so I can't comment on how highschools in the US are. There's is absolutely nothing wrong with an ignorance in a subject that is of no interest to you. But when presented with knowledge of said subject, the standard reaction is to say "WOW I can't believe there's so much detail here that's so fucking stupid fucking nerd lololol." It's all the more amazing how often something like this rears its head on, of all things, a website dedicated to STARCRAFT PROFESSIONAL GAMING, a topic that would net the exact same reaction from well over 99% of the world population. Show nested quote +On March 01 2014 08:56 Requizen wrote:On March 01 2014 08:44 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On March 01 2014 08:03 gtrsrs wrote:On March 01 2014 07:57 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Uh no there are some pretty specific definitions for most music genres. Yes sometimes the definitions get out of hand and convoluted, but that doesn't apply here.
I hate hardcore/electronic music but I still recognized "happycore" as a subgenre. It's decently well established. You guys are just noobs at music.
The definitions are not broad, not do we have our "own definitions," (well maybe you do, but you'd wrong), since definitions are pretty well established. 3 responses, 0 hit the intended genre, 3 hit completely different genres, "this genre is well established" okay Your ignorance does not reflect the ignorance of everyone. Indeed, how many people know it is completely inane of a concept, and is completely irrelevant. On March 01 2014 08:24 Requizen wrote:On March 01 2014 08:22 kainzero wrote:I was convinced I hated dubstep. Every time people said it was great and they played some track, I couldn't help but compare it to the AOL dial-up ringtone. I started playing Beatmania IIDX again and there was a song in that game that I liked called ZED that was categorized in-game as dubstep. "Okay, you guys got me," I thought. "You guys finally made a song that I like and perhaps there is hope that I actually do like the dubstep genre." Then I read the Youtube comments. "THAT ISN'T REAL DUBSTEP, THAT'S DRUMSTEP." People are nutty. That's not rock, that's post-modern alt rock with prog undertones YOU PHILISTINE I find it amazing that people proudly flaunt their ignorance. I'm as proud of my ignorance as others who consider themselves "elitists" are of their perceived superiority for knowing minutia about niche knowledge bases. Exhibit A.
So if one doesn't know something about a subject, you're ok saying:
On March 01 2014 07:57 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
You guys are just noobs at music.
But as soon as I rib you back by implying you're too tryhard about it, I've crossed a line? LOMO
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On March 01 2014 08:57 Slayer91 wrote:
yea its like
oh shit this type of music i have no fucking idea so i wont say anything
and then someone like requizen will be like LOL WHO CARES IS IT LIKE ROK OR POP OR RAP WAT
edit: thx based requizen for case in point
See, if people just asked for ska we wouldn't have these issues. Ska fixes everything.
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On March 01 2014 09:00 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2014 08:57 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On March 01 2014 08:54 Crusnik wrote:
In my case it's that I was homeschooled until I was 18 and and just never had an interest in music genres, I know what I like and that's what matters.
Then again, I have always hated idiots and been an introvert...so I can't comment on how highschools in the US are. There's is absolutely nothing wrong with an ignorance in a subject that is of no interest to you. But when presented with knowledge of said subject, the standard reaction is to say "WOW I can't believe there's so much detail here that's so fucking stupid fucking nerd lololol." It's all the more amazing how often something like this rears its head on, of all things, a website dedicated to STARCRAFT PROFESSIONAL GAMING, a topic that would net the exact same reaction from well over 99% of the world population. On March 01 2014 08:56 Requizen wrote:On March 01 2014 08:44 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On March 01 2014 08:03 gtrsrs wrote:On March 01 2014 07:57 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Uh no there are some pretty specific definitions for most music genres. Yes sometimes the definitions get out of hand and convoluted, but that doesn't apply here.
I hate hardcore/electronic music but I still recognized "happycore" as a subgenre. It's decently well established. You guys are just noobs at music.
The definitions are not broad, not do we have our "own definitions," (well maybe you do, but you'd wrong), since definitions are pretty well established. 3 responses, 0 hit the intended genre, 3 hit completely different genres, "this genre is well established" okay Your ignorance does not reflect the ignorance of everyone. Indeed, how many people know it is completely inane of a concept, and is completely irrelevant. On March 01 2014 08:24 Requizen wrote:On March 01 2014 08:22 kainzero wrote:I was convinced I hated dubstep. Every time people said it was great and they played some track, I couldn't help but compare it to the AOL dial-up ringtone. I started playing Beatmania IIDX again and there was a song in that game that I liked called ZED that was categorized in-game as dubstep. "Okay, you guys got me," I thought. "You guys finally made a song that I like and perhaps there is hope that I actually do like the dubstep genre." Then I read the Youtube comments. "THAT ISN'T REAL DUBSTEP, THAT'S DRUMSTEP." People are nutty. That's not rock, that's post-modern alt rock with prog undertones YOU PHILISTINE I find it amazing that people proudly flaunt their ignorance. I'm as proud of my ignorance as others who consider themselves "elitists" are of their perceived superiority for knowing minutia about niche knowledge bases. Exhibit A. So if one doesn't know something about a subject, you're ok saying: Show nested quote +On March 01 2014 07:57 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
You guys are just noobs at music. But as soon as I rib you back by implying you're too tryhard about it, I've crossed a line? LOMO
It wasn't a simple matter of ignorance of a subject, it was ignorance combined with the false pretense of knowledge and the derision of actual knowledge.
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On March 01 2014 09:05 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2014 09:00 Requizen wrote:On March 01 2014 08:57 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On March 01 2014 08:54 Crusnik wrote:
In my case it's that I was homeschooled until I was 18 and and just never had an interest in music genres, I know what I like and that's what matters.
Then again, I have always hated idiots and been an introvert...so I can't comment on how highschools in the US are. There's is absolutely nothing wrong with an ignorance in a subject that is of no interest to you. But when presented with knowledge of said subject, the standard reaction is to say "WOW I can't believe there's so much detail here that's so fucking stupid fucking nerd lololol." It's all the more amazing how often something like this rears its head on, of all things, a website dedicated to STARCRAFT PROFESSIONAL GAMING, a topic that would net the exact same reaction from well over 99% of the world population. On March 01 2014 08:56 Requizen wrote:On March 01 2014 08:44 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On March 01 2014 08:03 gtrsrs wrote:On March 01 2014 07:57 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Uh no there are some pretty specific definitions for most music genres. Yes sometimes the definitions get out of hand and convoluted, but that doesn't apply here.
I hate hardcore/electronic music but I still recognized "happycore" as a subgenre. It's decently well established. You guys are just noobs at music.
The definitions are not broad, not do we have our "own definitions," (well maybe you do, but you'd wrong), since definitions are pretty well established. 3 responses, 0 hit the intended genre, 3 hit completely different genres, "this genre is well established" okay Your ignorance does not reflect the ignorance of everyone. Indeed, how many people know it is completely inane of a concept, and is completely irrelevant. On March 01 2014 08:24 Requizen wrote:On March 01 2014 08:22 kainzero wrote:I was convinced I hated dubstep. Every time people said it was great and they played some track, I couldn't help but compare it to the AOL dial-up ringtone. I started playing Beatmania IIDX again and there was a song in that game that I liked called ZED that was categorized in-game as dubstep. "Okay, you guys got me," I thought. "You guys finally made a song that I like and perhaps there is hope that I actually do like the dubstep genre." Then I read the Youtube comments. "THAT ISN'T REAL DUBSTEP, THAT'S DRUMSTEP." People are nutty. That's not rock, that's post-modern alt rock with prog undertones YOU PHILISTINE I find it amazing that people proudly flaunt their ignorance. I'm as proud of my ignorance as others who consider themselves "elitists" are of their perceived superiority for knowing minutia about niche knowledge bases. Exhibit A. So if one doesn't know something about a subject, you're ok saying: On March 01 2014 07:57 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
You guys are just noobs at music. But as soon as I rib you back by implying you're too tryhard about it, I've crossed a line? LOMO It wasn't a simple matter of ignorance of a subject, it was ignorance combined with the false pretense of knowledge and the derision of actual knowledge.
lel when do I ever deign to have a pretense of knowledge on damn near anything?
Also I sometimes use hyperbole. I know this may be a foreign concept to you, but most of us refer to this as "humor". No one really cares how much you do/don't know about a subject, but I will occasionally make make snide remarks at people who like to act snooty about that knowledge.
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On March 01 2014 09:05 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2014 09:00 Requizen wrote:On March 01 2014 08:57 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On March 01 2014 08:54 Crusnik wrote:
In my case it's that I was homeschooled until I was 18 and and just never had an interest in music genres, I know what I like and that's what matters.
Then again, I have always hated idiots and been an introvert...so I can't comment on how highschools in the US are. There's is absolutely nothing wrong with an ignorance in a subject that is of no interest to you. But when presented with knowledge of said subject, the standard reaction is to say "WOW I can't believe there's so much detail here that's so fucking stupid fucking nerd lololol." It's all the more amazing how often something like this rears its head on, of all things, a website dedicated to STARCRAFT PROFESSIONAL GAMING, a topic that would net the exact same reaction from well over 99% of the world population. On March 01 2014 08:56 Requizen wrote:On March 01 2014 08:44 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On March 01 2014 08:03 gtrsrs wrote:On March 01 2014 07:57 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Uh no there are some pretty specific definitions for most music genres. Yes sometimes the definitions get out of hand and convoluted, but that doesn't apply here.
I hate hardcore/electronic music but I still recognized "happycore" as a subgenre. It's decently well established. You guys are just noobs at music.
The definitions are not broad, not do we have our "own definitions," (well maybe you do, but you'd wrong), since definitions are pretty well established. 3 responses, 0 hit the intended genre, 3 hit completely different genres, "this genre is well established" okay Your ignorance does not reflect the ignorance of everyone. Indeed, how many people know it is completely inane of a concept, and is completely irrelevant. On March 01 2014 08:24 Requizen wrote:On March 01 2014 08:22 kainzero wrote:I was convinced I hated dubstep. Every time people said it was great and they played some track, I couldn't help but compare it to the AOL dial-up ringtone. I started playing Beatmania IIDX again and there was a song in that game that I liked called ZED that was categorized in-game as dubstep. "Okay, you guys got me," I thought. "You guys finally made a song that I like and perhaps there is hope that I actually do like the dubstep genre." Then I read the Youtube comments. "THAT ISN'T REAL DUBSTEP, THAT'S DRUMSTEP." People are nutty. That's not rock, that's post-modern alt rock with prog undertones YOU PHILISTINE I find it amazing that people proudly flaunt their ignorance. I'm as proud of my ignorance as others who consider themselves "elitists" are of their perceived superiority for knowing minutia about niche knowledge bases. Exhibit A. So if one doesn't know something about a subject, you're ok saying: On March 01 2014 07:57 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
You guys are just noobs at music. But as soon as I rib you back by implying you're too tryhard about it, I've crossed a line? LOMO It wasn't a simple matter of ignorance of a subject, it was ignorance combined with the false pretense of knowledge and the derision of actual knowledge.
It's like somebody beat the Dunning-Kreuger effect and started a new game of Dunning-Kreuger+.
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On March 01 2014 09:10 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2014 09:05 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On March 01 2014 09:00 Requizen wrote:On March 01 2014 08:57 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On March 01 2014 08:54 Crusnik wrote:
In my case it's that I was homeschooled until I was 18 and and just never had an interest in music genres, I know what I like and that's what matters.
Then again, I have always hated idiots and been an introvert...so I can't comment on how highschools in the US are. There's is absolutely nothing wrong with an ignorance in a subject that is of no interest to you. But when presented with knowledge of said subject, the standard reaction is to say "WOW I can't believe there's so much detail here that's so fucking stupid fucking nerd lololol." It's all the more amazing how often something like this rears its head on, of all things, a website dedicated to STARCRAFT PROFESSIONAL GAMING, a topic that would net the exact same reaction from well over 99% of the world population. On March 01 2014 08:56 Requizen wrote:On March 01 2014 08:44 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On March 01 2014 08:03 gtrsrs wrote:On March 01 2014 07:57 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Uh no there are some pretty specific definitions for most music genres. Yes sometimes the definitions get out of hand and convoluted, but that doesn't apply here.
I hate hardcore/electronic music but I still recognized "happycore" as a subgenre. It's decently well established. You guys are just noobs at music.
The definitions are not broad, not do we have our "own definitions," (well maybe you do, but you'd wrong), since definitions are pretty well established. 3 responses, 0 hit the intended genre, 3 hit completely different genres, "this genre is well established" okay Your ignorance does not reflect the ignorance of everyone. Indeed, how many people know it is completely inane of a concept, and is completely irrelevant. On March 01 2014 08:24 Requizen wrote:On March 01 2014 08:22 kainzero wrote:I was convinced I hated dubstep. Every time people said it was great and they played some track, I couldn't help but compare it to the AOL dial-up ringtone. I started playing Beatmania IIDX again and there was a song in that game that I liked called ZED that was categorized in-game as dubstep. "Okay, you guys got me," I thought. "You guys finally made a song that I like and perhaps there is hope that I actually do like the dubstep genre." Then I read the Youtube comments. "THAT ISN'T REAL DUBSTEP, THAT'S DRUMSTEP." People are nutty. That's not rock, that's post-modern alt rock with prog undertones YOU PHILISTINE I find it amazing that people proudly flaunt their ignorance. I'm as proud of my ignorance as others who consider themselves "elitists" are of their perceived superiority for knowing minutia about niche knowledge bases. Exhibit A. So if one doesn't know something about a subject, you're ok saying: On March 01 2014 07:57 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
You guys are just noobs at music. But as soon as I rib you back by implying you're too tryhard about it, I've crossed a line? LOMO It wasn't a simple matter of ignorance of a subject, it was ignorance combined with the false pretense of knowledge and the derision of actual knowledge. It's like somebody beat the Dunning-Kreuger effect and started a new game of Dunning-Kreuger+.
More like "Welcome to yet another game of 'No One Can Judge Tone on the Internet'!"
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The TS has reached critical cancer levels.
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I'm not going to degrade what you know about music, I have just as much stupid knowledge about various shooters, since my friends and I played the shit out of BF3 and BO2, and because of that I know a lot of the best routes to go from A to B, various glitch spots and stupid mechanics to abuse to win.
I didn't like Jpop/Kpop styled music a few years ago, but recently I've been listening to it more and more and broadening what I like and what I don't, same is true about rock (started with stuff from the 70s/80s/90s because that's what my parents listened to), moved to country as they started liking that and I was forced to listen to it while in the car and then I started finding what I liked on my own.
Most of the time I feel like people just don't want to experiment or listen to things, like I don't enjoy deathmetal or similar styles, because of the guttural vocals and overall sound, even if the instrumental portions are amazing. I have tried to listen to Death metal and I guess Speedcore? and can't get into them, but stuff like symphonic metal/progressive rock? Yeah, I can listen to that almost nonstop. A more radical example might be rap, I like stuff from the 80s/90s/early 2000s but can't stand anything more recent unless it has more rock influences.
E: I'm going to go back to deciding what I want to do, either play FR or derust on LoL, both while listening to Disney songs on Pandora.
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TS not letting me on, says there's an error with the TL server
RIP
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