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Northern Ireland26535 Posts
On May 26 2025 06:14 Blitzball04 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2025 06:07 darklycid wrote:
I hate libs the way zvp and pvt devolve in the lategame because of air units is pretty annoying (and yes i know terran kinda needs libs rn). Libs are OP but the blame is mostly on the toss side. All these toss players are still stubborn and dumb as fuck against it after a decade. Instead of switching to tempest/carriers to support their ground army. All these toss players continue to double down on mass gateway and more useless Robo units. All these late game always end the same once mass libs hits the field. It’s already been proven to death that mass gateway gets slaughter in these situation.
Toss players all know this, it’s easier said than done when Maru is in form and breathing down your neck.
In the same way, Ghost/Lib, pretty good but you have to get there.
They used to do it more frequently a few years back, that or big DT commitments. But I think back then they could play more greedily, more safely than now.
Also Stargate openers, be it oracle or phoenix/Collosus are way less common, and that made the transition flow that little bit better.
Gatewayman is more fun a watch anyway!
Toss are still doing pretty well in the matchup for quite some time now. So I cannae complain too much.
I actually don’t think it’s libs as the issue in a scenario like this anyway, they’re more the cherry on top.
Judging mostly from this series as tbh I haven’t seen too many TvPs go late in recent months, the turning point comes if you can’t 100% cripple their eco, or get a money engagement.
Eventually you end up with a Maru with a gigantic army full of marauders, tons of medivacs and even a few ghosts, even if they get dropped to 40ish SCVs.
Not a balance whine but in that specific scenario, Disruptors not 1-shotting marauders is big. You’re not shaving a few off every time, they’ll heal back up relatively quickly. Colossus change from laser giraffes of death, into basically tickling that army.
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Northern Ireland26535 Posts
On May 26 2025 06:25 tigera6 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2025 06:20 Pentarp wrote:On May 26 2025 05:49 WombaT wrote:On May 26 2025 05:33 Die4Ever wrote:On May 26 2025 05:32 tigera6 wrote:
I think they need to un-nerf Ghost EMP especially with how Templar get Energy Overcharge. Makes sense with the ghost's increase supply cost too Plz no Ghosts did not win that last match. It was Liberators and Maru's patience/decisiveness vs Classic's hesitation and blunders. If Classic started the transition into air toss with his massive bank, this would have been over. Transitioning into air against the guy who already have +2 air weapon and double Starport is very risky, unless you can sneak it past his attention somehow. Viking is just too good against most air unit, their weakness is spellcaster so you have to hit big Storm. I remember a couple time herO tried to transition into Air against Maru after having a great early game, but he ended up getting destroyed by the Vikings.
Aye, or Mary just splits his 160 supply army up, that is hard to deal with making that transition
Tempests are slow and they’re pretty godawful in low numbers.
Easier transition in PvZ, probably a bit too easy for my tastes, but Tempest/Temp can more reliably hold what Z can throw at you
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Maru really looking in the groove. Some very smooth control and harass
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France12911 Posts
On May 26 2025 06:26 Charoisaur wrote:
The players that beat Serral and Clem both out in the ro4
SHIN has a surprisingly good record versus Clem, he upset him a few times, but he was not favorite versus the remaining players.
Maru vs Classic is close but could have gone either way
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Northern Ireland26535 Posts
On May 26 2025 05:48 Charoisaur wrote:
Maru starts practicing and instantly becomes the best again
I wouldn’t go that far, but it’s great to see him in shape for this tournament.
I wonder if all the circuit uncertainty has disrupted some players more than others. Difficult to motivate and peak at the right time and all that. Maru’s got well-publicised injury issues so it’s hard to justify grinding to stay in shape with months of uncertainty and all that. He does seem to be back now though. Serral’s never been a prolific grinder of lower stakes tournies, and Reynor was playing League half the year.
Solar playing pretty well and losing a set to Maru, is there a more iconic duo?
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Looks like the annually solar punching bag practice for Maru
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Northern Ireland26535 Posts
On May 26 2025 06:53 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2025 06:26 Charoisaur wrote:
The players that beat Serral and Clem both out in the ro4 SHIN has a surprisingly good record versus Clem, he upset him a few times, but he was not favorite versus the remaining players. Maru vs Classic is close but could have gone either way
Yeah Shin, and Dark for a bit did pretty decently against Clem IIRC, the more aggressive, tricky Zoigs seem to match up decently against his style.
That said, still a surprise to me nonetheless. Clem of a few years ago, could beat anyone but wasn’t quite at the same consistent god level as he showed last EWC and quite a lot of the time since.
I think it’s definitely added to the tournament though. For a while it felt unless they met earlier in the bracket it’d be Serral or Clem, and herO was basically a lock to be the best Toss of a weekend.
Seeing guys like SHIN, Solar, Classic genuinely in the mix has been pretty tasty. And basically all of the playoffs have been super competitive
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Just waiting for the usual Maru choke now
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Northern Ireland26535 Posts
On May 26 2025 07:03 Blitzball04 wrote:
Looks like the annually solar punching bag practice for Maru
I wonder if next time he plays a tournament, his team should just keep in the dark and if draws Serral, they just lie and gaslight him into thinking he’s playing Solar
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On May 26 2025 07:04 Charoisaur wrote:
Just waiting for the usual Maru choke now
The choke vs. the punching bag?
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On May 26 2025 07:05 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2025 07:03 Blitzball04 wrote:
Looks like the annually solar punching bag practice for Maru I wonder if next time he plays a tournament, his team should just keep in the dark and if draws Serral, they just lie and gaslight him into thinking he’s playing Solar
A tournament where you know the list of players participating but it's a complete mystery who is playing who until the tournament is over would be pretty fun.
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On May 26 2025 07:10 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2025 07:05 WombaT wrote:On May 26 2025 07:03 Blitzball04 wrote:
Looks like the annually solar punching bag practice for Maru I wonder if next time he plays a tournament, his team should just keep in the dark and if draws Serral, they just lie and gaslight him into thinking he’s playing Solar A tournament where you know the list of players participating but it's a complete mystery who is playing who until the tournament is over would be pretty fun.
Wardi, get on it
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Northern Ireland26535 Posts
On May 26 2025 07:10 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2025 07:05 WombaT wrote:On May 26 2025 07:03 Blitzball04 wrote:
Looks like the annually solar punching bag practice for Maru I wonder if next time he plays a tournament, his team should just keep in the dark and if draws Serral, they just lie and gaslight him into thinking he’s playing Solar A tournament where you know the list of players participating but it's a complete mystery who is playing who until the tournament is over would be pretty fun.
I’d dig it for being something different, and a test of a different skillset.
If GSL lets you do plenty of prep and practice, and most weekenders allow you at least a little, what’s it look like if you can’t prep and mind game for a specific opponent at all?
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Northern Ireland26535 Posts
On May 26 2025 07:17 Die4Ever wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2025 07:10 JJH777 wrote:On May 26 2025 07:05 WombaT wrote:On May 26 2025 07:03 Blitzball04 wrote:
Looks like the annually solar punching bag practice for Maru I wonder if next time he plays a tournament, his team should just keep in the dark and if draws Serral, they just lie and gaslight him into thinking he’s playing Solar A tournament where you know the list of players participating but it's a complete mystery who is playing who until the tournament is over would be pretty fun. Wardi, get on it
He’s busy enough haha, there’s only so much carrying his back can handle surely!
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Hellbat pushes continue to not work 
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Maru should have researched Blue Flame early to deal with the Hydra and morph them to Hellbat
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Neat. Now please continue making this a series, Solar.
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Northern Ireland26535 Posts
On May 26 2025 07:22 flashymarine wrote:Hellbat pushes continue to not work
When one finally does, imagine how good it’ll feel though!
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On May 26 2025 06:36 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2025 06:14 Blitzball04 wrote:On May 26 2025 06:07 darklycid wrote:
I hate libs the way zvp and pvt devolve in the lategame because of air units is pretty annoying (and yes i know terran kinda needs libs rn). Libs are OP but the blame is mostly on the toss side. All these toss players are still stubborn and dumb as fuck against it after a decade. Instead of switching to tempest/carriers to support their ground army. All these toss players continue to double down on mass gateway and more useless Robo units. All these late game always end the same once mass libs hits the field. It’s already been proven to death that mass gateway gets slaughter in these situation. Toss players all know this, it’s easier said than done when Maru is in form and breathing down your neck. In the same way, Ghost/Lib, pretty good but you have to get there. They used to do it more frequently a few years back, that or big DT commitments. But I think back then they could play more greedily, more safely than now. Also Stargate openers, be it oracle or phoenix/Collosus are way less common, and that made the transition flow that little bit better. Gatewayman is more fun a watch anyway! Toss are still doing pretty well in the matchup for quite some time now. So I cannae complain too much. I actually don’t think it’s libs as the issue in a scenario like this anyway, they’re more the cherry on top. Judging mostly from this series as tbh I haven’t seen too many TvPs go late in recent months, the turning point comes if you can’t 100% cripple their eco, or get a money engagement. Eventually you end up with a Maru with a gigantic army full of marauders, tons of medivacs and even a few ghosts, even if they get dropped to 40ish SCVs. Not a balance whine but in that specific scenario, Disruptors not 1-shotting marauders is big. You’re not shaving a few off every time, they’ll heal back up relatively quickly. Colossus change from laser giraffes of death, into basically tickling that army.
Maru was on the defensive for most of the game. Instead of teching up, Classic was taking all the bases. That was countered perfectly by Maru gutting Classic's main. So all that econ could only make gateway units. PiG also pointed out how Classic needed more HTs vs the high number of libs and vikings, but he kept going for Robo units.
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