EPTIt happened before, I think Feardragon organized it back in 2017? I remember Dark beating herO. The hard part was that as a viewer, it wasn't very exciting since you didn't know who to root for.
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Brutaxilos
United States2623 Posts
It happened before, I think Feardragon organized it back in 2017? I remember Dark beating herO. The hard part was that as a viewer, it wasn't very exciting since you didn't know who to root for. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24613 Posts
On May 26 2025 07:31 Pentarp wrote: Maru was on the defensive for most of the game. Instead of teching up, Classic was taking all the bases. That was countered perfectly by Maru gutting Classic's main. So all that econ could only make gateway units. PiG also pointed out how Classic needed more HTs vs the high number of libs and vikings, but he kept going for Robo units. You can’t always do everything at this level. Classic was in good spots at times because he went heavy tempo, heavy eco. It’s the dilemma of having a bedsheet that’s not long enough. Pull it up and your feet are cold, and the inverse. Maybe you go heavier on temps, but they’re a more binary unit in that matchup. Robo stuff is worse, but more reliable. Temps can deliver that knockout punch, but you get a few money EMPs against you and you’re screwed. Last cycle, when Classic and Stats were having a lot of success with carrier builds in the matchup, Maru absolutely wrecked both of them in GSLs. I’m not by any means saying it’s impossible, it’s just hard. And while Classic is one of the GOATs, Maru is just better at the matchup if he’s on it. That transition is way more doable if you’re not playing the Terran lategame master, or a Clem that can be seemingly everywhere at once. | ||
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Lexender
Mexico2624 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24613 Posts
On May 26 2025 07:51 Lexender wrote: Solar looked good then Maru remembered he is a multitasking god. Maru on form is just a joy to watch | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
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flashymarine
54 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15897 Posts
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tigera6
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24613 Posts
On May 26 2025 07:56 tigera6 wrote: So Maru hidden attribute is +30% power against Solar/Shin? Hidden? | ||
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Antithesis
Germany1124 Posts
This was a fun weekender. I must say though the best series by far was Shin vs. Clem. Action-packed, cool new style, and of course the upset of Clem being beaten at TvZ. | ||
Poopi
France12769 Posts
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Poopi
France12769 Posts
On May 26 2025 07:55 Charoisaur wrote: Turns out Maru can play like Clem Maru was faster than Clem at his age / without injury Getting old in esports is no joke Thankfully (in a weird way) in sc2 there is barely any new blood so you can win tournaments past your prime | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17646 Posts
On May 26 2025 07:44 Brutaxilos wrote: It happened before, I think Feardragon organized it back in 2017? I remember Dark beating herO. The hard part was that as a viewer, it wasn't very exciting since you didn't know who to root for. I feel like the viewers should know though | ||
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Pentarp
215 Posts
On May 26 2025 07:44 WombaT wrote: You can’t always do everything at this level. Classic was in good spots at times because he went heavy tempo, heavy eco. It’s the dilemma of having a bedsheet that’s not long enough. Pull it up and your feet are cold, and the inverse. Maybe you go heavier on temps, but they’re a more binary unit in that matchup. Robo stuff is worse, but more reliable. Temps can deliver that knockout punch, but you get a few money EMPs against you and you’re screwed. Last cycle, when Classic and Stats were having a lot of success with carrier builds in the matchup, Maru absolutely wrecked both of them in GSLs. I’m not by any means saying it’s impossible, it’s just hard. And while Classic is one of the GOATs, Maru is just better at the matchup if he’s on it. That transition is way more doable if you’re not playing the Terran lategame master, or a Clem that can be seemingly everywhere at once. Classic also went for THREE ROBOS as well as mass expands (maybe he added the third robo when the ones in natural were being threatened, idk). Classic had a good lead but went for the thing that did not answer mass libs - which is airtoss with tempests. Add a few HTs and vikings get zoned out. EMPs are a managable threat. It's been nerfed several times now and Protoss are still complaining about it lol | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24613 Posts
On May 26 2025 08:02 Poopi wrote: Maru was faster than Clem at his age / without injury Getting old in esports is no joke Thankfully (in a weird way) in sc2 there is barely any new blood so you can win tournaments past your prime He really wasn’t. Tactically better absolutely, faster relative to his competition perhaps, outright mechanically cleaner I don’t think anyone has been better than Clem at peak form. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24613 Posts
On May 26 2025 08:07 Pentarp wrote: Classic also went for THREE ROBOS as well as mass expands (maybe he added the third robo when the ones in natural were being threatened, idk). Classic had a good lead but went for the thing that did not answer mass libs - which is airtoss with tempests. Add a few HTs and vikings get zoned out. EMPs are a managable threat. It's been nerfed several times now and Protoss are still complaining about it lol Upgrades are a factor. If you’re playing gatewayman + robo and temp supports, off dual forge, with the chrono mechanic you’re going to be in a good spot there. Swap into air and you need the space to get multiple Stargates up, a fleet and you’re starting from 0/0 when you’re making that transition. As I said, it’s not an impossible transition it’s just bloody hard against someone as good as Maru. You used to see it more when Phoenix/Colossus was more viable because you had the infrastructure way earlier. You can’t really hold your third/fourth with that comp anymore without battery overcharge. You can with gatewayman and fast temps, but that makes the switch less smooth. That aside, congrats to Maru and it was great to see him showing such a level here, I was genuinely worried that injuries had finally taken their toll and one of the all-time greats was done, and even with players I don’t like that’s always a sad thing, and Maru certainly isn’t one of those. | ||
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Blitzball04
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Kashim
Poland1166 Posts
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flashymarine
54 Posts
On May 26 2025 08:12 WombaT wrote: He really wasn’t. Tactically better absolutely, faster relative to his competition perhaps, outright mechanically cleaner I don’t think anyone has been better than Clem at peak form. 100% agree. I have watched Maru since he was like 12. He was always mechanically better than everyone but Clem is at another level. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24613 Posts
On May 26 2025 08:31 flashymarine wrote: 100% agree. I have watched Maru since he was like 12. He was always mechanically better than everyone but Clem is at another level. When Innovation first broke out I really didn’t see how anyone could really top his mechanical level, at the time it was mind blowing stuff. I think Maru did in terms of controlling more sophisticated armies, and in terms of raw speed and just consistent micro/macro Clem did too. Clem’s FPV is just absolutely insane when he’s on it. And it’s not chaotic fastness or APM spam, it’s clean as all fuck Reynor on absolute peak form, is up there. Even Serral isn’t, his superpower is unbelievable decision-making, and yeah incredible mechanics too. The complete package really, raw mechanics wise though it’s definitely Clem. | ||
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