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United States33389 Posts
On May 26 2025 04:03 Husyelt wrote:
I almost wish we got a few terrain patches around the bases that were unbuildable like in BW. its kinda annoying to see protoss just spam 6-7 cannons with a battery and be pretty much safe from any harassment. You have to inch lurkers bit by bit and by then a tempest 2 minutes later can deal with it, banelings get deleted by a single high temp. Even if not balance wise, entertainment wise so we dont get the protoss ball of death camping out in a stalemate scenario.
wish we had the technology to just rotate between the worst metas every 2 weeks
my first request is that time when Zerg just went Hydra-Ling-Bane and had a good chance of ending the game or killing 30 probes by doing a basic two-prong attack
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United Kingdom38255 Posts
How many funky builds did Shin bank up for this tourney.
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On May 26 2025 04:15 Asha wrote:
How many funky builds did Shin bank up for this tourney.
yes
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On May 26 2025 04:11 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2025 04:03 Husyelt wrote:
I almost wish we got a few terrain patches around the bases that were unbuildable like in BW. its kinda annoying to see protoss just spam 6-7 cannons with a battery and be pretty much safe from any harassment. You have to inch lurkers bit by bit and by then a tempest 2 minutes later can deal with it, banelings get deleted by a single high temp. Even if not balance wise, entertainment wise so we dont get the protoss ball of death camping out in a stalemate scenario. wish we had the technology to just rotate between the worst metas every 2 weeks my first request is that time when Zerg just went Hydra-Ling-Bane and had a good chance of ending the game or killing 30 probes by doing a basic two-prong attack
Sounds Like shin vs Showtime to me.
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On May 26 2025 03:48 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2025 03:45 Acrofales wrote:
The balance council made protoss playable, at the cost of making ZvP unwatcheable and PvT just plain idiotic. Well this looks like the same PvZ I've watched for the past 5 years.
The stalemate endgame has been a rare occurrence since the archon toilet and broodlord infestor both got nerfed about 2012 or so. Seeing 3/5 games go that way means things are changing back that way: the great book of protoss bullshit is no longer needed because they're happy going late game, which I do agree with you has always been unwatchable.
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On May 26 2025 04:28 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2025 03:48 Pandain wrote:On May 26 2025 03:45 Acrofales wrote:
The balance council made protoss playable, at the cost of making ZvP unwatcheable and PvT just plain idiotic. Well this looks like the same PvZ I've watched for the past 5 years. The stalemate endgame has been a rare occurrence since the archon toilet and broodlord infestor both got nerfed about 2012 or so. Seeing 3/5 games go that way means things are changing back that way: the great book of protoss bullshit is no longer needed because they're happy going late game, which I do agree with you has always been unwatchable.
Some people who were really committed to it could still force it in 3/5th of their games, like certain Canadian Zergs in this thread
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On May 26 2025 04:28 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2025 03:48 Pandain wrote:On May 26 2025 03:45 Acrofales wrote:
The balance council made protoss playable, at the cost of making ZvP unwatcheable and PvT just plain idiotic. Well this looks like the same PvZ I've watched for the past 5 years. The stalemate endgame has been a rare occurrence since the archon toilet and broodlord infestor both got nerfed about 2012 or so. Seeing 3/5 games go that way means things are changing back that way: the great book of protoss bullshit is no longer needed because they're happy going late game, which I do agree with you has always been unwatchable.
Yeah PvZ lategame has always been like this but depending on how turtly the meta is you see it more or less often.
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On May 26 2025 04:45 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2025 04:28 Acrofales wrote:On May 26 2025 03:48 Pandain wrote:On May 26 2025 03:45 Acrofales wrote:
The balance council made protoss playable, at the cost of making ZvP unwatcheable and PvT just plain idiotic. Well this looks like the same PvZ I've watched for the past 5 years. The stalemate endgame has been a rare occurrence since the archon toilet and broodlord infestor both got nerfed about 2012 or so. Seeing 3/5 games go that way means things are changing back that way: the great book of protoss bullshit is no longer needed because they're happy going late game, which I do agree with you has always been unwatchable. Yeah PvZ lategame has always been like this but depending on how turtly the meta is you see it more or less often.
Also you didnt See it that much vs serral because Most protosses didnt wanna Go to that Stage vs him.
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United Kingdom38255 Posts
Solar's ZvZ really on point this tourney
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The flank with the banes was great!
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Lol how did Maru win that game
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On May 26 2025 05:12 Die4Ever wrote:
Lol how did Maru win that game
SCV is good at blocking, the best OLine you can ever have.
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United Kingdom38255 Posts
On May 26 2025 05:12 Die4Ever wrote:
Lol how did Maru win that game
Big army vs minimal tech.
Pretty sure Classic's entire first round of forcefields primarily blocked his zealots out too
big call going mine heavy over tanks as well
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Northern Ireland25339 Posts
On May 26 2025 04:51 darklycid wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2025 04:45 Charoisaur wrote:On May 26 2025 04:28 Acrofales wrote:On May 26 2025 03:48 Pandain wrote:On May 26 2025 03:45 Acrofales wrote:
The balance council made protoss playable, at the cost of making ZvP unwatcheable and PvT just plain idiotic. Well this looks like the same PvZ I've watched for the past 5 years. The stalemate endgame has been a rare occurrence since the archon toilet and broodlord infestor both got nerfed about 2012 or so. Seeing 3/5 games go that way means things are changing back that way: the great book of protoss bullshit is no longer needed because they're happy going late game, which I do agree with you has always been unwatchable. Yeah PvZ lategame has always been like this but depending on how turtly the meta is you see it more or less often. Also you didnt See it that much vs serral because Most protosses didnt wanna Go to that Stage vs him.
Quite sensibly.
I watch more of this game than most, less than some.
I’ve definitely noticed Serral struggling a lot more. And for my money he’s the all-time ZvP king, and certainly has the best lategame there. Indeed I think his ZvP, maybe the strongest singular matchup we’ve seen
It’s partly a vibes thing. He still wins more often than not, and back in the day it’s not like he was never stretched. But these days it feels versus a top opponent even Serral has to sweat his absolute balls off every single game.
The one matchup I did miss was Reynor sweeping herO, which I gotta say surprised me on form last couple years. So I don’t know how that went.
It does feel Zoigs who are mixing in a lot of aggression are having a bit of success. Maybe that’s just an adjustment Serral has to make
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and that'll be the last 3rd cc attempt we see lol
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why? because he died to Storm?
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Yea i think i understand why maru doesnt build a 3rd CC that often.
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EPT
