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tigera6
3516 Posts
On August 17 2024 06:44 Charoisaur wrote: He was still in a winning position imo before he threw his army away on creep Nah, it was close to even at most, Serral traded effciently enough that he could drag the game out more minutes easily. | ||
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Husyelt
United States839 Posts
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tigera6
3516 Posts
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Hider
Denmark9448 Posts
If Serral had been at 70 workers, that engagement potentially could have looked very different. | ||
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Balnazza
Germany1383 Posts
What would you guys say is the power-ranking for the Knockout Bracket? I would say: Big favorite: 1)Maru Favorites: 2)herO 3)Oliveira 4)Reynor Unlikely, but possible: 5)ByuN 6)Astrea 7)Cure 8)Solar 9)ShowTime 10)Classic 11)SHIN Rest has probably no business qualifying for the Top 4 | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18487 Posts
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Blitzball04
191 Posts
On August 17 2024 06:56 tigera6 wrote: Maru does have a good knockout bracket draw, 2 of his favorite victim Solar and Ragnarok are there. Cure might be the only one that can stop him before the qualifying match but I dont know if he can get past Rag. The 2 poor whipping boys for Maru | ||
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Hider
Denmark9448 Posts
On August 17 2024 06:54 tigera6 wrote: Nah, it was close to even at most, Serral traded effciently enough that he could drag the game out more minutes easily. Game was kinda over at 24-25 mins - had Serral kept the pace on I think he could have killed Maru within a few minutes. Maru was broke and had to defend multiple locations at once. Howver, Serral decided to go broods which delayed the game and for most players - it would be a weird decision to go broods when the map is actually open and you can effectively trade/harass the opponent with a significantly bigger econ behind it. However, I have to assume Serral is so confident in his own micro that he believes he can trade well enough to almost always win this type of gameplay. So for other players it would be more like a 60-40 position for the zerg, but given Serrals micro probably still 90-10 Serral. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16103 Posts
On August 17 2024 06:54 tigera6 wrote: Nah, it was close to even at most, Serral traded effciently enough that he could drag the game out more minutes easily. Hard to say. Against any other Zerg I'd say Maru wins 100% from that position but with Serral you have to expect he's taking good engagements | ||
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Zzzapper
1798 Posts
On August 17 2024 07:03 Charoisaur wrote: Hard to say. Against any other Zerg I'd say Maru wins 100% from that position but with Serral you have to expect he's taking good engagements Fair but I'd argue that's because Maru is the best Terran in the world in that kind of spot. It's a relatively even position but Maru is simply better when the opponent is not Serral | ||
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HeroSandro
542 Posts
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Zzzapper
1798 Posts
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Nasigil1
114 Posts
On August 17 2024 07:03 Charoisaur wrote: Hard to say. Against any other Zerg I'd say Maru wins 100% from that position but with Serral you have to expect he's taking good engagements Maru once can go toe to toe with Serral in late games, but since 2022 he has lost about 80% of standard late games against Serral. The writing was on the wall for quite sometime this game, Serral was comfortably mining Maru's side of map for way too long and trade very well in engagements. It's only a matter of time that Maru run out of resources before Serral did. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16103 Posts
On August 17 2024 07:08 Zzzapper wrote: Fair but I'd argue that's because Maru is the best Terran in the world in that kind of spot. It's a relatively even position but Maru is simply better when the opponent is not Serral Yeah Serral had a bigger bank but Maru had more mining left so I think it was pretty even. However, when it's not Serral playing the terran ultimate army usually is superior to the Zerg ultimate army which is why I'd say it was in general a good position for terran. Only Serral being Serral skews a bit with that logic. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9448 Posts
On August 17 2024 07:08 Zzzapper wrote: Fair but I'd argue that's because Maru is the best Terran in the world in that kind of spot. It's a relatively even position but Maru is simply better when the opponent is not Serral You have an average zerg against an equally skilled terran and zerg wins the vast majority of the time. I think Serral has larger army value than Maru, much bigger bank, more activebases. Zerg can switch into mobile composition easily major battle. Terrran can't. If you put up someone like Cure against Solar - I don't know how Cure wins this besides some major fuckup by Solar. Maru has nothing in his composition that can beat Hydra/bling with only 2 tanks. His army composition is intended to beat broods/infestor - but that's it, but blings can simply run him over, even off-creep. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16103 Posts
On August 17 2024 07:19 Hider wrote: You have an average zerg against an equally skilled terran and zerg wins the vast majority of the time. I think Serral has larger army value than Maru, much bigger bank, more activebases + more bases + this map situation - it's not favorable to terran. Zerg can switch into mobile composition easily post-trades. Terrran can't. If you put up someone like Cure against Solar - I don't know how Cure wins this besides some major fuckup by Solar. Maru has nothing in his composition that can beat Hydra/bling with only 2 tanks. His army composition is intended to beat broods/infestor - but that's it, but blings can simply run him over, even off-creep. Serral did not have more active bases, at that point Maru had killed Serrals outer bases and was mining from them | ||
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Nasigil1
114 Posts
On August 17 2024 07:19 Hider wrote: You have an average zerg against an equally skilled terran and zerg wins the vast majority of the time. I think Serral has larger army value than Maru, much bigger bank, more activebases. Zerg can switch into mobile composition easily major battle. Terrran can't. If you put up someone like Cure against Solar - I don't know how Cure wins this besides some major fuckup by Solar. Maru has nothing in his composition that can beat Hydra/bling with only 2 tanks. His army composition is intended to beat broods/infestor - but that's it, but blings can simply run him over, even off-creep. Maybe Maru should consider not losing 10 tanks to a simple ling runby. Clem beat Serral in an epic game on this exact same map last time in Atlanta, even with the same starting position and same turtle Ghost Mech style. Maru should look at that game to see how it's done. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9448 Posts
On August 17 2024 07:24 Nasigil1 wrote: Maybe Maru should consider not losing 10 tanks to a simple ling runby. Clem beat Serral in an epic game on this exact same map last time in Atlanta, even with the same starting position and say turtle Ghost Mech style. Maru should look at that game to see how it's done. Yes that was the real mistake by Maru - it was way too easy for Serral to do a simple ling runby and the next 3 minutes Maru completely collapsed afterwards. Had any other top zerg played there against Maru they would have kept attacking and game would have ended 2-3 minutes after. It was 200 + 5k/3k bank vs 170 supply, no bank with a terran trying to acquire new expansions. | ||
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Glorfindelio
232 Posts
On August 17 2024 07:28 Hider wrote: Yes that was the real mistake by Maru - it was way too easy for Serral to do a simple ling runby and the next 3 minutes Maru completely collapsed afterwards. Had any other top zerg played there against Maru they would have kept attacking and game would have ended 2-3 minutes after. It was 200 + 5k/3k bank vs 170 supply, no bank with a terran trying to acquire new expansions. Literally only takes 1 bad engagement against a turtle terran (and Maru, no less) to completely flip the game. Prudence may or may not cost Serral a game or two, but he wins many, many more because of similar reads. Pretty sure he's fine not taking forum advice from you. | ||
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stilt
France2755 Posts
On August 17 2024 07:16 Charoisaur wrote: Yeah Serral had a bigger bank but Maru had more mining left so I think it was pretty even. However, when it's not Serral playing the terran ultimate army usually is superior to the Zerg ultimate army which is why I'd say it was in general a good position for terran. Only Serral being Serral skews a bit with that logic. Maru didn't have much gaz mining (hence the massive proportion of hellbats in his army) while serral didn't fully mine his interior bases. He could still win but the situation was already pretty bad | ||
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