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[Page 23] Balance whining will be aggressively moderated

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Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7113 Posts
February 11 2023 13:44 GMT
#181
It's a good time to make coffee and some food while waiting for RO12. Not a lot of excitement in these final group D games.
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16071 Posts
February 11 2023 13:45 GMT
#182
On February 11 2023 22:43 Morbidius wrote:
5 Terrans but everyone knows only one has a shot. That or Byun shows that class is permanent.


It would be legendary, but as long as his wrists are an issue, especially in a tournament like this. I just can't give him my brain bet for going all the way. He'll have to play potentially 17 matches tomorrow to win in an uncomfortable environment for him.

aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18035 Posts
February 11 2023 13:46 GMT
#183
Most embarrassing? Is there maybe a pylon he wants to talk about?
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
February 11 2023 13:47 GMT
#184
Classic Artosis
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16071 Posts
February 11 2023 13:47 GMT
#185
The Legend of the Artosis Pylon.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12889 Posts
February 11 2023 13:49 GMT
#186
On February 11 2023 22:36 dbRic1203 wrote:
5 Zerg
5 Terran
2 Protoss
For all the terran tears over the patch, they have nothing to complain about

Does ro12 matter especially considering the players in question?
The real issue is if any non zerg player will be able to beat Dark / Serral / Reynor. Other zergs don’t really matter even though they might add insult to injury and still be hard to beat too
WriterMaru
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18035 Posts
February 11 2023 13:50 GMT
#187
Oh, I played in one of the Dutch Starcraft League qualifiers. I got massacred in the first round Maybe I played Lowko?
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
February 11 2023 13:51 GMT
#188
On February 11 2023 22:49 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2023 22:36 dbRic1203 wrote:
5 Zerg
5 Terran
2 Protoss
For all the terran tears over the patch, they have nothing to complain about

Does ro12 matter especially considering the players in question?
The real issue is if any non zerg player will be able to beat Dark / Serral / Reynor. Other zergs don’t really matter even though they might add insult to injury and still be hard to beat too

Solar is a tough out for anyone also.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16071 Posts
February 11 2023 13:55 GMT
#189
Yea looking at the pool of players who advanced, the only stand out is HeroMarine over Bunny. I thought Cure had a good chance of getting out of Group A, but I'm not mad at all to see TIME make it out instead. Groups B and C went more or less how I expected, well except for Serral losing twice in ZvZ, but even that isn't THAT surprising.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Captain Peabody
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3111 Posts
February 11 2023 13:56 GMT
#190
so here's a question: who do y'all think is the main underdog/spoiler in the Ro12? the person who you wouldn't expect but could beat one of the big 4-6 and make a miracle run to the finals?
Dies Irae venit. youtube.com/SnobbinsFilms
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-02-11 13:59:46
February 11 2023 13:57 GMT
#191
On February 11 2023 22:56 Captain Peabody wrote:
so here's a question: who do y'all think is the main underdog/spoiler in the Ro12? the person who you wouldn't expect but could beat one of the big 4-6 and make a miracle run to the finals?


I think Byun or Ragnarok, maybe HM.
Altought for Ragnarok you could make the case that he's in the big 6 with Serral-Reynor-Maru-Dark and herO.
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-02-11 13:58:20
February 11 2023 13:58 GMT
#192
On February 11 2023 22:56 Captain Peabody wrote:
so here's a question: who do y'all think is the main underdog/spoiler in the Ro12? the person who you wouldn't expect but could beat one of the big 4-6 and make a miracle run to the finals?

Gumiho. Honestly, if this was gsl format, I'd consider him a small favorite over every foreigner even the likes of serral and reynor.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16071 Posts
February 11 2023 13:58 GMT
#193
On February 11 2023 22:56 Captain Peabody wrote:
so here's a question: who do y'all think is the main underdog/spoiler in the Ro12? the person who you wouldn't expect but could beat one of the big 4-6 and make a miracle run to the finals?


Assuming that Dark, Serral, Reynor, herO and Maru are the favorites. Honestly, and I can't believe I'm saying this, I'd say that Ragnarok has the best chance of being a bracket buster. If he can avoid Maru I think he can make a deep run crushing other Zergs and the Protoss players along the way. I haven't actually seen a match of herO vs Ragnarok in a long time so I don't even know how that would play out if they met.

The other big contender to be a bracket buster is Solar for the same reasons. He did just beat Serral yesterday in ZvZ, so that has to be respected and again if he can avoid Maru I think he can take any of the other Terrans in the tournament.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18035 Posts
February 11 2023 13:59 GMT
#194
On February 11 2023 22:49 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2023 22:36 dbRic1203 wrote:
5 Zerg
5 Terran
2 Protoss
For all the terran tears over the patch, they have nothing to complain about

Does ro12 matter especially considering the players in question?
The real issue is if any non zerg player will be able to beat Dark / Serral / Reynor. Other zergs don’t really matter even though they might add insult to injury and still be hard to beat too

Well, Ragnarok already showed he can beat Dark. Wouldn't be at all surprised if he wrecks Serral. Solar already showed he can beat Serral, although it was close, and Bo5/7 are a different beast. Still, I reckon both Ragnarok and Solar are easier to take down as a T or P than Serral is. So your best bet for a non ZvZ finals is Serral getting sniped in a ZvZ by Ragnarok in the Ro8. And then Ragnarok facing Maru, HM or herO in the Ro4.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16071 Posts
February 11 2023 14:04 GMT
#195
On February 11 2023 22:57 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2023 22:56 Captain Peabody wrote:
so here's a question: who do y'all think is the main underdog/spoiler in the Ro12? the person who you wouldn't expect but could beat one of the big 4-6 and make a miracle run to the finals?


Altought for Ragnarok you could make the case that he's in the big 6 with Serral-Reynor-Maru-Dark and herO.


How? All of the guys in that list are multi time champions. Ragnarok has a single Code S finals to his name. He might be in form now, but you can't put him in the same list as those 5.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1237 Posts
February 11 2023 14:04 GMT
#196
On February 11 2023 22:59 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2023 22:49 Poopi wrote:
On February 11 2023 22:36 dbRic1203 wrote:
5 Zerg
5 Terran
2 Protoss
For all the terran tears over the patch, they have nothing to complain about

Does ro12 matter especially considering the players in question?
The real issue is if any non zerg player will be able to beat Dark / Serral / Reynor. Other zergs don’t really matter even though they might add insult to injury and still be hard to beat too

Well, Ragnarok already showed he can beat Dark. Wouldn't be at all surprised if he wrecks Serral. Solar already showed he can beat Serral, although it was close, and Bo5/7 are a different beast. Still, I reckon both Ragnarok and Solar are easier to take down as a T or P than Serral is. So your best bet for a non ZvZ finals is Serral getting sniped in a ZvZ by Ragnarok in the Ro8. And then Ragnarok facing Maru, HM or herO in the Ro4.

herO can absolutely beat Dark/Reynor in a bo5. I worry that if he has to face multiple top Zerg he'll run out of builds and get run over though.

Reynor has also looked hopeless against Maru's turtling in the past, but it remains to be seen if Maru can replicate that in the new patch.

Other than that yeah, a ZvZ upset is the most likely way we avoid ZvZ final.
Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
Captain Peabody
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3111 Posts
February 11 2023 14:05 GMT
#197
yeah I think my "head" spoilers are Solar or Ragnarok, both been looking strong lately and kind of fly below the radar but can realistically take down anyone on a good day

my "heart" spoilers would be Byun or Gumiho or Creator, more "creative" fun inconsistent players that I personally like and like watching and would love to see go far on the basis of some unique stylings. and I think they have it in them.

wackiest spoiler would be Time/Oliveira crushing everyone and going to the finals lol
Dies Irae venit. youtube.com/SnobbinsFilms
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
February 11 2023 14:07 GMT
#198
Wtf was that from byun
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16071 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-02-11 14:08:17
February 11 2023 14:07 GMT
#199
On February 11 2023 23:05 Captain Peabody wrote:
yeah I think my "head" spoilers are Solar or Ragnarok, both been looking strong lately and kind of fly below the radar but can realistically take down anyone on a good day

my "heart" spoilers would be Byun or Gumiho or Creator, more "creative" fun inconsistent players that I personally like and like watching and would love to see go far on the basis of some unique stylings. and I think they have it in them.

wackiest spoiler would be Time/Oliveira crushing everyone and going to the finals lol


If TIME goes onto crush the entire tournament I will be inconsolably happy. Best result that could happen other than a Maru win.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
February 11 2023 14:10 GMT
#200
This is such garbage play from Byun that I'm legit wondering about match fixing.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
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