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Poopi
France12908 Posts
On January 14 2022 06:00 Athenau wrote: Is there any terran not named Maru who's doing well in TvZ? There are two terrans on aligulac with more than 3000+ rating in TvZ, Maru and Clem. Several in the 2900-3000 range (Byun, Bunny, Cure, HeroMarine) 6 zergs with 3000+ ZvT rating (Serral / Dark / Reynor / Rogue / Solar / DRG) | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16118 Posts
On January 14 2022 06:41 deacon.frost wrote: Clem in the EU. It starting to appear he has some kind of block when playing an international tournament... and Cure to certain degree  Cure's just a dark horse in general. Never know when he's going to show up and kill everyone or get knocked out first round. Course I guess you could also say that too about Rogue in this tournament except Rogue is more in general just WAY WAY better when playing offline so this isn't exactly all that unusual for him. | ||
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PtossParty
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Athenau
571 Posts
On January 14 2022 06:41 deacon.frost wrote: Clem in the EU. It starting to appear he has some kind of block when playing an international tournament... and Cure to certain degree Clem's form is 50.88% on Aligulac: http://aligulac.com/players/5878-Clem/ Cure's is 38.89%: http://aligulac.com/players/1665-Cure/ Neither has been doing well in the match-up recently. | ||
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buzz_bender
445 Posts
On January 14 2022 04:36 Vindicare605 wrote: That's because Maru never stops making Siege Tanks. Not only that, Maru's placement of his PFs are so much better than Clem's. Clem placed his PFs in the middle of nowhere where Dark could easily surround the PFs and get rid of them. Maru on the other hand, place them in such a way that it creates narrow channels to funnel the zerglings or banelings, with siege tanks behind those channels killing off zerg units. Maru also leaves a lot more units behind to defend, instead of sending a large bio army to attack. Maru only sends out a small chunk of his bio, with a few ghosts to attack, and then he pulls back. Clem doesn't do that. He brings a large portion of his army, and I think Dark noticed that and took the opportunity to go straight down the middle and carved out a channel into Clem's main base. Maru is a lot more patient than Clem is. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
When Clem started having the upper hand against Serral and Reynor he had an approximately even record against Ragnarok and Armani(whereas Serral and Reynor were performing as expected against korean Terran of the appropriate level) ;when Clem reached double digits win records in April/May 2021(after Katowice, for sure) against the european Zerg he eventually started beating korean ones(and also managed to beat Dark and Rouge) but at that point Clem had the best overall shape of his career and online Cure/top Serral overall winrates. Clem's overall level also declined significantly, with his TvT and TvZ becoming way worse while his level in TvP stayed the same or improved slightly; new maps must have played a role but I'm not sure that's the only reason. At the moment, Maru could just be better than Clem in every single matchup. | ||
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buzz_bender
445 Posts
On January 14 2022 11:36 Xain0n wrote: At the moment, Maru could just be better than Clem in every single matchup. I think part of that is that Maru has adjusted his playstyle so much over the years and knows how to play so differently in each matchup. I've seen him being super aggressive against Terran/Zerg/Protoss, but at the same time, I've also seen him know when to turtle up completely and just being defensive (his series against ShowTime as an example). Clem on the other hand, I haven't seen much change. There are changes for sure, but nowhere near as diverse as Maru. Take a simple example, I have never seen Clem play mech in any competitive matches against Zerg, whereas Maru can and will throw in the odd mech games (like his series against Ragnarok). Being so one-dimensional means that his opponents can adjust to him, which I think the Korean Zergs have done, and both Serral/Reynor started doing that as well. | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
That's why foreigners can only excel as Zerg historically throughout SC2. And why multi-dimensional Zergs like Rogue, Dark and The-One-That-Shalt-Not-Be-Named will always have the edge in terms of success and legacy. (There, I said it. Let the flame wars begin!) | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On January 14 2022 14:43 RKC wrote: It's easier to win with one-dimensional playstyle as Zerg than any other race. Protoss is a distant second despite their more abusive builds because of constant patch changes. Terran is the most dynamic of all. That's why foreigners can only excel as Zerg historically throughout SC2. And why multi-dimensional Zergs like Rogue, Dark and The-One-That-Shalt-Not-Be-Named will always have the edge in terms of success and legacy. (There, I said it. Let the flame wars begin!) Sure, everyone knows koreans are superior multidimensional entities and that's why they are so good at Starcraft. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16038 Posts
On January 14 2022 21:40 Xain0n wrote: Sure, everyone knows koreans are superior multidimensional entities and that's why they are so good at Starcraft. you disagree that most foreigners have a more one-dimensional approach to the game than koreans? | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On January 14 2022 22:18 Charoisaur wrote: you disagree that most foreigners have a more one-dimensional approach to the game than koreans? You agree with such a statement which is a pretty biased oversimplification at best and complete nonsense at worst? Throughout the history of Sc2? Probably. At the moment/in recent times? Not especially. RKC also implies that non koreans cannot play Sc2 without being monodimensional, which is ridicolous and unworthy to be even discussed. | ||
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Poopi
France12908 Posts
Clem did play mech vZ in the past, more specifically battle mech with cyclones etc., but he stopped doing so after he threw the game against Reynor in nation-wars with that style. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16038 Posts
On January 14 2022 22:57 Xain0n wrote: You agree with such a statement which is a pretty biased oversimplification at best and complete nonsense at worst? Throughout the history of Sc2? Probably. At the moment/in recent times? Not especially. RKC also implies that non koreans cannot play Sc2 without being monodimensional, which is ridicolous and unworthy to be even discussed. well Serral, Reynor and Clem surely have a more one-dimensional approach to the game than Dark, Rogue and Maru. And then there are also players like HeroMarine and Showtime who basically play only straight up macro | ||
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tigera6
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Creager
Germany1923 Posts
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Poopi
France12908 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33554 Posts
 So with the win, DRG is now the wildcard RO24 seed IF Zest has to forfeit his spot. Zest seemed more optimistic about his ability to compete at IEM Katowice than before (though he said it's far from a sure thing), so it might not matter for either Lambo or DRG ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4960 Posts
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koalabro
59 Posts
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
On January 14 2022 23:41 Poopi wrote: I guess DRG really wants his IEM spot! It is tough to fight in Ro32 bracket. Mostly they will exhaust before the real challenge begins in Ro 24. As far as I could remember, no one survivors from Ro. 32 in the last Katowice made into the playoffs, right? | ||
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