EPTDHM Last Chance 2022 - Page 14
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Moonerz
United States445 Posts
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Argonauta
Spain4948 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On January 14 2022 02:08 Waxangel wrote: Nice to get a group of death that lives up to expectations  Look at what you did | ||
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tigera6
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Charoisaur
Germany15961 Posts
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Poopi
France12883 Posts
On January 14 2022 04:31 tigera6 wrote: In a weird way, I think Hardwire is slowly becoming a Zerg favored map in TvZ with mass lingbane against Terran Bio. Maybe people should just start playing Mech on this map like Maru. Hardwire is statistically the worst map in TvZ with 41% winrate iirc (pride of altaris is supposedly 44% but I did not look at the numbers myself, since it's often banned the sample size is probably too low) edit: adding sources + Show Spoiler +  Hardwire LE and Pride of Altaris LE as I guessed, not many games were played on pride of altaris so stats should really be taken with a grain of salt, it might converge to worse numbers | ||
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absinthfee
Germany718 Posts
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Moonerz
United States445 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
On January 14 2022 04:34 absinthfee wrote: It seems like only maru can turtle until the end effectively. That's because Maru never stops making Siege Tanks. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On January 14 2022 04:36 Vindicare605 wrote: That's because Maru never stops making Siege Tanks. Yeah I'm not sure if you can beat mass ling bane without seige tanks (and probably a decent amount of PFs). | ||
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tigera6
3397 Posts
On January 14 2022 04:34 Poopi wrote: Hardwire is statistically the worst map in TvZ with 41% winrate iirc (pride of altaris is supposedly 44% but I did not look at the numbers myself, since it's often banned the sample size is probably too low) Holy shit, I didnt even know that. From a first glance, I thought this was a more "balance" map in TvZ with some choke points and such. Wow, so its even worse then Pride and Glittering Ashes, really unexpected. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
On January 14 2022 04:38 Pandain wrote: Yeah I'm not sure if you can beat mass ling bane without seige tanks (and probably a decent amount of PFs). Widow Mines are just not as reliable as Siege Tanks are, we saw how many times Clem took significant friendly fire from those Widow Mines and we saw how Dark just micro'd his units so the Widow Mines weren't as effective. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
On January 14 2022 04:41 deacon.frost wrote: How many PFs were behind the rocks? I believe Clem had none there, so when Dark attacked that way, he went around the bunker lines. Once again the villain uses this simple trick, France hates him Oh damn, I just got the joke. That's brutal. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
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tigera6
3397 Posts
On January 14 2022 04:42 Vindicare605 wrote: Widow Mines are just not as reliable as Siege Tanks are, we saw how many times Clem took significant friendly fire from those Widow Mines and we saw how Dark just micro'd his units so the Widow Mines weren't as effective. Widow Mines becoming a one-and-done unit pretty much when Hydra and Lurker is out, and unless Terran has 3-4 Reactor Factories pumping out Mines non-stop, lingbane will overrun them eventually. Tanks are actually quite "tanky" and also good against Hydra-Lurker as well. | ||
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Moonerz
United States445 Posts
Not to mention I think Maru's skillset is just better suited for this style than Clems. | ||
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Poopi
France12883 Posts
On January 14 2022 04:49 Moonerz wrote: I think the sentiment in here is pretty correct. I think you need an anchor of tanks and libs (plus some PFs) to support the ghost and little amount of bio on every front. Widow mines can be supplemental aoe there but it can't be all that you are relying on. Not to mention I think Maru's skillset is just better suited for this style than Clems. Maru plays vs Dark without ping it's kinda hard to compare. Although we saw him beat Serral at 5am with ping so he is still probably better than Clem in the MU atm | ||
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Athenau
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On January 14 2022 06:00 Athenau wrote: Is there any terran not named Maru who's doing well in TvZ? Clem in the EU. It starting to appear he has some kind of block when playing an international tournament... and Cure to certain degree | ||
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