On January 12 2022 00:38 deacon.frost wrote: lulz, there are only 2 Protosses in this whole tournament. I am quite surprised the Protoss hoping thread isn't exploding :D
I'm watching the games closely and taking notes so I have more ammo for the thread later
Feel like Elazer was just way too flow chart-ey (feel like EU players fall into this sometimes) that last game. Time figured out the runbys and Elazer just never had a plan B.
On January 12 2022 01:29 deacon.frost wrote: Curious Minds according to LP: 45,7 TvZ winrate. Just sayin to that elaborate of "Terrans figured it out"
That was in a conversation about roach 1/1 attacks no? Not saying it's "figured out" like "they never lose to it" but that it's not nearly as devastating as the initial outlook on it was thanks to the large concave.
On January 12 2022 01:29 deacon.frost wrote: Curious Minds according to LP: 45,7 TvZ winrate. Just sayin to that elaborate of "Terrans figured it out"
That was in a conversation about roach 1/1 attacks no? Not saying it's "figured out" like "they never lose to it" but that it's not nearly as devastating as the initial outlook on it was thanks to the large concave.
Ah, ok, that makes sense. But it's still a zergy map.
On January 12 2022 01:29 deacon.frost wrote: Curious Minds according to LP: 45,7 TvZ winrate. Just sayin to that elaborate of "Terrans figured it out"
That was in a conversation about roach 1/1 attacks no? Not saying it's "figured out" like "they never lose to it" but that it's not nearly as devastating as the initial outlook on it was thanks to the large concave.
What has been "figured out" from Terran about this map for 1-1 Roach timing though? I mean the triangle 3rd will still be flushed with Roach-Ravager , and Terran will have to lift the CC up and turtling on 2 base until they have enough units to break the seige. I just dont see in any way, shape or form that Terran can hold the 3rd against the concave if both sides play properly.
On January 12 2022 02:11 Poopi wrote: Are there still people thinking koreans are robot players without emotion? Never seen Rogue rage so hard wow
It is expected that when he is losing today, he may perform well in the next ST tourney.
I think It is Rogue birthday coming soon (tomorrow), that is why it is kind of emotional I guess. Last two years ago, I have seen him raging on his birthday after losing bracket game.
Yeah he probably did it somewhere else. Player cams are great! I think they tend to ignore it compared to regular LANs where they don't rage as visibly compared to the comfort of their home.
On January 12 2022 02:24 Moonerz wrote: Strange couple of games by Rogue there. Only somewhat normalized because Rogue has been winning lately so he is overdue for a Rogue group stage
He will stink up Super Tournament next week as well, most likely, and then coming back with god aura in IEM (hopefully).
I used to think it might be rough being a Rogue fan because he can both win any tournament and drop out the first stage of any tournament - but now I think it's actually ideal? Watching your favorite player drop out in quarters and onwards is more painful than watching them drop out in group stages
On January 12 2022 02:24 Moonerz wrote: Strange couple of games by Rogue there. Only somewhat normalized because Rogue has been winning lately so he is overdue for a Rogue group stage
He will stink up Super Tournament next week as well, most likely, and then coming back with god aura in IEM (hopefully).
On January 12 2022 02:24 Moonerz wrote: Strange couple of games by Rogue there. Only somewhat normalized because Rogue has been winning lately so he is overdue for a Rogue group stage
He will stink up Super Tournament next week as well, most likely, and then coming back with god aura in IEM (hopefully).
On January 12 2022 02:24 Moonerz wrote: Strange couple of games by Rogue there. Only somewhat normalized because Rogue has been winning lately so he is overdue for a Rogue group stage
He will stink up Super Tournament next week as well, most likely, and then coming back with god aura in IEM (hopefully).
On January 12 2022 02:27 Pandain wrote: I used to think it might be rough being a Rogue fan because he can both win any tournament and drop out the first stage of any tournament - but now I think it's actually ideal? Watching your favorite player drop out in quarters and onwards is more painful than watching them drop out in group stages
Expecting at least two queen walks here lol
Actually I dont care much. I love to see more his opponent's fans hysterical reaction when their players got beaten handsomely in every of final matches. Kind of satisfaction I guess.
On January 12 2022 02:24 Moonerz wrote: Strange couple of games by Rogue there. Only somewhat normalized because Rogue has been winning lately so he is overdue for a Rogue group stage
He will stink up Super Tournament next week as well, most likely, and then coming back with god aura in IEM (hopefully).
There's a super tournament next week!?
Its just been announced with schedule and bracket
Oh wowz sc2 need to be less alive, I can't keep up with all those tournaments
On January 12 2022 03:30 tigera6 wrote: Hope Zest can win this big tournament before leaving for military.
He just need a win either ST or DH Last Chance to cement the legacy as the first player to win big tournament straight before going to military service.
On January 11 2022 23:41 Xain0n wrote: It's not really that likely, Rogue may very well drop out of the group.
Definitely not an unexpected outcome.
Finally after 20 tournaments it worked out for you :D Youre too awesome pal !
Twenty, uh? What about Rogue dropping out of the groups at NEXT right before dominating TSL? That was two tournaments ago.
No comment on TSL8 thread? Thought that you may spur out some comments there🤭
Rogue wrecking Serral has become too much of a norm even for the likes of Xainon to argue so no point for me to be there, I just enjoyed the matches Everyone knows by now who is the best Zerg and levels above anyone else in ZvZ especially.
But its funny how Xainon is trolling the twitch chat before every KR vs Foreigner match saying beware beware I think the foreigner has a good chance!!! (well, yeah, everyone theoretically has a chance) and then feeling like a boss if 1 time out of 10 the foreigner actually wins... :D
On January 11 2022 23:41 Xain0n wrote: It's not really that likely, Rogue may very well drop out of the group.
Definitely not an unexpected outcome.
Finally after 20 tournaments it worked out for you :D Youre too awesome pal !
Twenty, uh? What about Rogue dropping out of the groups at NEXT right before dominating TSL? That was two tournaments ago.
No comment on TSL8 thread? Thought that you may spur out some comments there🤭
Rogue wrecking Serral has become too much of a norm even for the likes of Xainon to argue so no point for me to be there, I just enjoyed the matches Everyone knows by now who is the best Zerg and levels above anyone else in ZvZ especially.
But its funny how Xainon is trolling the twitch chat before every KR vs Foreigner match saying beware beware I think the foreigner has a good chance!!! (well, yeah, everyone theoretically has a chance) and then feeling like a boss if 1 time out of 10 the foreigner actually wins... :D
Your delusion is immense, your statements false, the numbers you make up are senseless.
Not expecting Rogue to have a good chance to drop out early after losing the first match in a groupstage means that someone is too enamored of the fictional image of the unbeatable wrecker of worlds. Even when Rogue is in a good/exceptional form, anyone can beat him when he rolls low; just stick to the facts and hold your GOAT claims for the next tournament in which the whims of fate will give us an unstoppable Rogue.
On January 11 2022 23:41 Xain0n wrote: It's not really that likely, Rogue may very well drop out of the group.
Definitely not an unexpected outcome.
Finally after 20 tournaments it worked out for you :D Youre too awesome pal !
Twenty, uh? What about Rogue dropping out of the groups at NEXT right before dominating TSL? That was two tournaments ago.
No comment on TSL8 thread? Thought that you may spur out some comments there🤭
Rogue wrecking Serral has become too much of a norm even for the likes of Xainon to argue so no point for me to be there, I just enjoyed the matches Everyone knows by now who is the best Zerg and levels above anyone else in ZvZ especially.
But its funny how Xainon is trolling the twitch chat before every KR vs Foreigner match saying beware beware I think the foreigner has a good chance!!! (well, yeah, everyone theoretically has a chance) and then feeling like a boss if 1 time out of 10 the foreigner actually wins... :D
Your delusion is immense, your statements false, the numbers you make up are senseless.
Not expecting Rogue to have a good chance to drop out early after losing the first match in a groupstage means that someone is too enamored of the fictional image of the unbeatable wrecker of worlds. Even when Rogue is in a good/exceptional form, anyone can beat him when he rolls low; just stick to the facts and hold your GOAT claims for the next tournament in which the whims of fate will give us an unstoppable Rogue.
Ah, Rogue, wins by whims of fate and also have the most impressive title collection. What a lucky bastard.
On January 11 2022 23:41 Xain0n wrote: It's not really that likely, Rogue may very well drop out of the group.
Definitely not an unexpected outcome.
Finally after 20 tournaments it worked out for you :D Youre too awesome pal !
Twenty, uh? What about Rogue dropping out of the groups at NEXT right before dominating TSL? That was two tournaments ago.
No comment on TSL8 thread? Thought that you may spur out some comments there🤭
Rogue wrecking Serral has become too much of a norm even for the likes of Xainon to argue so no point for me to be there, I just enjoyed the matches Everyone knows by now who is the best Zerg and levels above anyone else in ZvZ especially.
But its funny how Xainon is trolling the twitch chat before every KR vs Foreigner match saying beware beware I think the foreigner has a good chance!!! (well, yeah, everyone theoretically has a chance) and then feeling like a boss if 1 time out of 10 the foreigner actually wins... :D
Your delusion is immense, your statements false, the numbers you make up are senseless.
Not expecting Rogue to have a good chance to drop out early after losing the first match in a groupstage means that someone is too enamored of the fictional image of the unbeatable wrecker of worlds. Even when Rogue is in a good/exceptional form, anyone can beat him when he rolls low; just stick to the facts and hold your GOAT claims for the next tournament in which the whims of fate will give us an unstoppable Rogue.
Ah, Rogue, wins by whims of fate and also have the most impressive title collection. What a lucky bastard.
That's your opinion, even if a fairly common one(especially among certain environments).
I assume you are purposely misinterpreting what I mean, it couldn't be possible for you to keep misundestanding what I write after three years, right?
Rogue wins because he's overwhelmingly better in his finals, sometimes he might be lucky to reach then but not especially more often than any other player. The "whims of fate" obviously refers to which Rogue is showing up a certain day or in a certain tournament, either one who would fail in the ro32 or the strongest Sc2 player around.
Guys it has to be like literally the least controversial opinion in Sc2 to say Rogue can absolutely beast mode everyone and in the very next tournament drop out early and that's literally all that Xainon said.
On January 12 2022 23:01 Pandain wrote: Guys it has to be like literally the least controversial opinion in Sc2 to say Rogue can absolutely beast mode everyone and in the very next tournament drop out early and that's literally all that Xainon said.
To me it sounded more like - when Rogue's lucky he wins tournaments. Which is not right. Maybe the next time he can use more clear language.
Honestly Reynor played pretty badly there and probably should have lost 2-0. HM just couldn't deal with banelings at all lol, feel like he really struggles with that micro compared to other top terrans
I feel like Reynor was going for too many Queens, especially in that 3rd game. Granted probably he was running out of larva and want to spend mineral onto something, but Queen is like a band-aid in mid-game and terrible in lategame ZvT.
Big congrats to HM, I think it leads to a nice variety of matches instead of a TvZ non stop. Also Maru, I think, played mech to "hide" his bio from reynor, but I don't think it will matter.
On January 13 2022 01:19 Argonauta wrote: Big congrats to HM, I think it leads to a nice variety of matches instead of a TvZ non stop. Also Maru, I think, played mech to "hide" his bio from reynor, but I don't think it will matter.
He often plays mech versus RagnaroK, doesn't he? + Show Spoiler +
edit: (GSL ST2) mech g1, g2, bio g3 (GSL Code S S2) bio g1, bio g2 So maybe not that often
On January 12 2022 23:01 Pandain wrote: Guys it has to be like literally the least controversial opinion in Sc2 to say Rogue can absolutely beast mode everyone and in the very next tournament drop out early and that's literally all that Xainon said.
To me it sounded more like - when Rogue's lucky he wins tournaments. Which is not right. Maybe the next time he can use more clear language.
he's arguing a moot point lmao Everyone knows that Rogue can be godlike one day and straight-garbage the next yet the guy writes paragraph after paragraph arguing this obvious, pointless point.
Pretty reminiscent of that Bunny series from TSL8 where Maru got punished HARD for forcing those early-game drops. Maybe getting too predictable with the openers?
Maru is just so good at not dying. Very interesting he stopped making marines for quite some time there in the mid game and just focused on tanks. Which is why imo the supply advantage gabe had for a long time was just more marines which are super hard to make work when someone is turtling like that. So ultimately the supply did lie.
Edit: Gabe did get corvid much earlier that last game perhaps some more Ravens to disable the tanks and he could have trampled with his 40 supply lead.
How!?!? I don't know how he does it... he just has that killer instinct. I thought he would try to save his planetary, but he saw Gabe's army, and knew that he had a chance just to go straight for the kill.
Maru saw his chance when HM tie-up 4-5 tanks and 6 Vikings trying to take down his PF, thats like 30 army supply not protecting HM base and Maru just smashed with all of his army. And Maru does things like this quite often actually, I remember how he beat Clem a couple time like this last year, and also that game again TY in IEM where he was dominated for most of the game on 4 bases, then broke out, taking down shitload of TY army and buildings and only lost when TY start to re-produce the Ravens.
Again... seems like huge trouble vs banelings. Really think with that 4 tank push if he had better target fire from tanks to banes he just wins that. Would have to re-watch to see if Reynor was just splitting banes pretty well or what, and easier said than done
On January 13 2022 04:18 Moonerz wrote: Again... seems like huge trouble vs banelings. Really think with that 4 tank push if he had better target fire from tanks to banes he just wins that. Would have to re-watch to see if Reynor was just splitting banes pretty well or what, and easier said than done
Hard to target fight when Zerg got the surround, HM would be better off with mines instead of Tanks.
On January 13 2022 04:18 Moonerz wrote: Again... seems like huge trouble vs banelings. Really think with that 4 tank push if he had better target fire from tanks to banes he just wins that. Would have to re-watch to see if Reynor was just splitting banes pretty well or what, and easier said than done
Hard to target fight when Zerg got the surround, HM would be better off with mines instead of Tanks.
It felt like he let himself get surround really easilly
Also he saw the surround with his reinforcements im pretty sure. Plus the fact that Reynor has done that exact tactic vs every tank move out.
Other Terrans seem to make the tanks work with really nice target firing. I am aware how hard that is as I'm quite terrible at it in those same situations
On January 13 2022 04:44 geokilla wrote: Explains why Reynor played poorly for his standard. He got COVID 2 weeks ago and playing with poor FPS since he's not using his main computer.
Oh, god. I hope he gets better soon. And I hope it doesn't affect his participation in IEM Katowice
On January 13 2022 04:44 geokilla wrote: Explains why Reynor played poorly for his standard. He got COVID 2 weeks ago and playing with poor FPS since he's not using his main computer.
Ionno, he said he felt like he was playing pretty well. Honestly HeroMarine played super good. Let's not take credit away
On January 11 2022 23:41 Xain0n wrote: It's not really that likely, Rogue may very well drop out of the group.
Definitely not an unexpected outcome.
Finally after 20 tournaments it worked out for you :D Youre too awesome pal !
Twenty, uh? What about Rogue dropping out of the groups at NEXT right before dominating TSL? That was two tournaments ago.
No comment on TSL8 thread? Thought that you may spur out some comments there🤭
Rogue wrecking Serral has become too much of a norm even for the likes of Xainon to argue so no point for me to be there, I just enjoyed the matches Everyone knows by now who is the best Zerg and levels above anyone else in ZvZ especially.
But its funny how Xainon is trolling the twitch chat before every KR vs Foreigner match saying beware beware I think the foreigner has a good chance!!! (well, yeah, everyone theoretically has a chance) and then feeling like a boss if 1 time out of 10 the foreigner actually wins... :D
Your delusion is immense, your statements false, the numbers you make up are senseless.
Not expecting Rogue to have a good chance to drop out early after losing the first match in a groupstage means that someone is too enamored of the fictional image of the unbeatable wrecker of worlds. Even when Rogue is in a good/exceptional form, anyone can beat him when he rolls low; just stick to the facts and hold your GOAT claims for the next tournament in which the whims of fate will give us an unstoppable Rogue.
Even as someone who shares the opinion that Rogue is a VERY inconsistent player, I have to say your selective appearance in certain threads diminishes the objective quality of your arguments
ESL Twitch seems like a mess when it comes to rewatching vods - random old replays etc. Can anyone help on how to catch up on last night's matches? (maru, HM, etc)
On January 13 2022 16:41 bulldozer06701 wrote: ESL Twitch seems like a mess when it comes to rewatching vods - random old replays etc. Can anyone help on how to catch up on last night's matches? (maru, HM, etc)
On January 13 2022 16:41 bulldozer06701 wrote: ESL Twitch seems like a mess when it comes to rewatching vods - random old replays etc. Can anyone help on how to catch up on last night's matches? (maru, HM, etc)
It is! They should really also just upload the entire VOD on YouTube or just splice individual matches and put them up on YouTube like what GSL does. Makes looking up a particular match up so much easier.
On January 13 2022 16:41 bulldozer06701 wrote: ESL Twitch seems like a mess when it comes to rewatching vods - random old replays etc. Can anyone help on how to catch up on last night's matches? (maru, HM, etc)
On January 13 2022 16:41 bulldozer06701 wrote: ESL Twitch seems like a mess when it comes to rewatching vods - random old replays etc. Can anyone help on how to catch up on last night's matches? (maru, HM, etc)
Thank you! sc2links is perfect, forgot about that method.
The problem with the ESL twitch seems to be that they've included old replays as ad breaks or something, because when you look at the most recent stream it starts with Innovation for example, then somewhere there in the middle are the matches from yesterday.
On January 13 2022 04:44 geokilla wrote: Explains why Reynor played poorly for his standard. He got COVID 2 weeks ago and playing with poor FPS since he's not using his main computer.
To be frank, it has been months since Reynor does not seem to play at his "standard", like when he lost to MarineLord. I think we just assumed his peak (like Katowice 2021) is his standard but it probably is not, he probably does not practice as consistently as for example Serral to stay in top shape in every tournament. He will probably peak at Katowice once again so I am not worried edit: I thought Reynor played pretty well overall, even though his style seems scrappy in the match-up. His splits vs widow mines were often insane / on point, and it's not a coincidence that HeroMarine almost beat Maru, he was on fire yesterday
On January 11 2022 23:41 Xain0n wrote: It's not really that likely, Rogue may very well drop out of the group.
Definitely not an unexpected outcome.
Finally after 20 tournaments it worked out for you :D Youre too awesome pal !
Twenty, uh? What about Rogue dropping out of the groups at NEXT right before dominating TSL? That was two tournaments ago.
No comment on TSL8 thread? Thought that you may spur out some comments there🤭
Rogue wrecking Serral has become too much of a norm even for the likes of Xainon to argue so no point for me to be there, I just enjoyed the matches Everyone knows by now who is the best Zerg and levels above anyone else in ZvZ especially.
But its funny how Xainon is trolling the twitch chat before every KR vs Foreigner match saying beware beware I think the foreigner has a good chance!!! (well, yeah, everyone theoretically has a chance) and then feeling like a boss if 1 time out of 10 the foreigner actually wins... :D
Your delusion is immense, your statements false, the numbers you make up are senseless.
Not expecting Rogue to have a good chance to drop out early after losing the first match in a groupstage means that someone is too enamored of the fictional image of the unbeatable wrecker of worlds. Even when Rogue is in a good/exceptional form, anyone can beat him when he rolls low; just stick to the facts and hold your GOAT claims for the next tournament in which the whims of fate will give us an unstoppable Rogue.
Even as someone who shares the opinion that Rogue is a VERY inconsistent player, I have to say your selective appearance in certain threads diminishes the objective quality of your arguments
Let me disagree.
I am not a writer, I am not supposed to be neutral; it should be clear to anyone at this point that I like Rogue the least out of the top Sc2 players.
How objective my statements are, however, should be judged based on how verifiable and corresponding to real facts and trends they are, not on when I decide to express them; I don't see why I should join certain threads to support enthusiastic choirs of opinions that I do not share.
On January 11 2022 23:41 Xain0n wrote: It's not really that likely, Rogue may very well drop out of the group.
Definitely not an unexpected outcome.
Finally after 20 tournaments it worked out for you :D Youre too awesome pal !
Twenty, uh? What about Rogue dropping out of the groups at NEXT right before dominating TSL? That was two tournaments ago.
No comment on TSL8 thread? Thought that you may spur out some comments there🤭
Rogue wrecking Serral has become too much of a norm even for the likes of Xainon to argue so no point for me to be there, I just enjoyed the matches Everyone knows by now who is the best Zerg and levels above anyone else in ZvZ especially.
But its funny how Xainon is trolling the twitch chat before every KR vs Foreigner match saying beware beware I think the foreigner has a good chance!!! (well, yeah, everyone theoretically has a chance) and then feeling like a boss if 1 time out of 10 the foreigner actually wins... :D
Your delusion is immense, your statements false, the numbers you make up are senseless.
Not expecting Rogue to have a good chance to drop out early after losing the first match in a groupstage means that someone is too enamored of the fictional image of the unbeatable wrecker of worlds. Even when Rogue is in a good/exceptional form, anyone can beat him when he rolls low; just stick to the facts and hold your GOAT claims for the next tournament in which the whims of fate will give us an unstoppable Rogue.
Even as someone who shares the opinion that Rogue is a VERY inconsistent player, I have to say your selective appearance in certain threads diminishes the objective quality of your arguments
Let me disagree.
I am not a writer, I am not supposed to be neutral; it should be clear to anyone at this point that I like Rogue the least out of the top Sc2 players.
How objective my statements are, however, should be judged based on how verifiable and corresponding to real facts and trends they are, not on when I decide to express them; I don't see why I should join certain threads to support enthusiastic choirs of opinions that I do not share.
that's a bit like avilo making a legitimate balance complaint. Maybe this time what you said was reasonable but your track record of constantly diminishing the achievements of the top koreans lets us see your statements in a different light.
On January 11 2022 23:41 Xain0n wrote: It's not really that likely, Rogue may very well drop out of the group.
Definitely not an unexpected outcome.
Finally after 20 tournaments it worked out for you :D Youre too awesome pal !
Twenty, uh? What about Rogue dropping out of the groups at NEXT right before dominating TSL? That was two tournaments ago.
No comment on TSL8 thread? Thought that you may spur out some comments there🤭
Rogue wrecking Serral has become too much of a norm even for the likes of Xainon to argue so no point for me to be there, I just enjoyed the matches Everyone knows by now who is the best Zerg and levels above anyone else in ZvZ especially.
But its funny how Xainon is trolling the twitch chat before every KR vs Foreigner match saying beware beware I think the foreigner has a good chance!!! (well, yeah, everyone theoretically has a chance) and then feeling like a boss if 1 time out of 10 the foreigner actually wins... :D
Your delusion is immense, your statements false, the numbers you make up are senseless.
Not expecting Rogue to have a good chance to drop out early after losing the first match in a groupstage means that someone is too enamored of the fictional image of the unbeatable wrecker of worlds. Even when Rogue is in a good/exceptional form, anyone can beat him when he rolls low; just stick to the facts and hold your GOAT claims for the next tournament in which the whims of fate will give us an unstoppable Rogue.
Even as someone who shares the opinion that Rogue is a VERY inconsistent player, I have to say your selective appearance in certain threads diminishes the objective quality of your arguments
Let me disagree.
I am not a writer, I am not supposed to be neutral; it should be clear to anyone at this point that I like Rogue the least out of the top Sc2 players.
How objective my statements are, however, should be judged based on how verifiable and corresponding to real facts and trends they are, not on when I decide to express them; I don't see why I should join certain threads to support enthusiastic choirs of opinions that I do not share.
that's a bit like avilo making a legitimate balance complaint. Maybe this time what you said was reasonable but your track record of constantly diminishing the achievements of the top koreans lets us see your statements in a different light.
Hilarious.
If we define reasonable as suffragated by facts, statistics and overall openly verifiable statements there are very few posts I made on this forum, if any, that are not.
As for "constant track of diminishing the achievements of the top koreans", this means not agreeing with the (subjective) importance some people, like you, attribute to certain trophies or pointing out that certain players are overhyped when there is no relevant evidence supporting the claim. Do you know what really diminishing an achievement is? Outright calling HSC or GSL vs the World joke tournaments or pretending koreans are always and necessarily the side hindered by timezone or jet lag.
Finally after 20 tournaments it worked out for you :D Youre too awesome pal !
Twenty, uh? What about Rogue dropping out of the groups at NEXT right before dominating TSL? That was two tournaments ago.
No comment on TSL8 thread? Thought that you may spur out some comments there🤭
Rogue wrecking Serral has become too much of a norm even for the likes of Xainon to argue so no point for me to be there, I just enjoyed the matches Everyone knows by now who is the best Zerg and levels above anyone else in ZvZ especially.
But its funny how Xainon is trolling the twitch chat before every KR vs Foreigner match saying beware beware I think the foreigner has a good chance!!! (well, yeah, everyone theoretically has a chance) and then feeling like a boss if 1 time out of 10 the foreigner actually wins... :D
Your delusion is immense, your statements false, the numbers you make up are senseless.
Not expecting Rogue to have a good chance to drop out early after losing the first match in a groupstage means that someone is too enamored of the fictional image of the unbeatable wrecker of worlds. Even when Rogue is in a good/exceptional form, anyone can beat him when he rolls low; just stick to the facts and hold your GOAT claims for the next tournament in which the whims of fate will give us an unstoppable Rogue.
Even as someone who shares the opinion that Rogue is a VERY inconsistent player, I have to say your selective appearance in certain threads diminishes the objective quality of your arguments
Let me disagree.
I am not a writer, I am not supposed to be neutral; it should be clear to anyone at this point that I like Rogue the least out of the top Sc2 players.
How objective my statements are, however, should be judged based on how verifiable and corresponding to real facts and trends they are, not on when I decide to express them; I don't see why I should join certain threads to support enthusiastic choirs of opinions that I do not share.
that's a bit like avilo making a legitimate balance complaint. Maybe this time what you said was reasonable but your track record of constantly diminishing the achievements of the top koreans lets us see your statements in a different light.
Hilarious.
If we define reasonable as suffragated by facts, statistics and overall openly verifiable statements there are very few posts I made on this forum, if any, that are not.
As for "constant track of diminishing the achievements of the top koreans", this means not agreeing with the (subjective) importance some people, like you, attribute to certain trophies or pointing out that certain players are overhyped when there is no relevant evidence supporting the claim. Do you know what really diminishing an achievement is? Outright calling HSC or GSL vs the World joke tournaments or pretending koreans are always and necessarily the side hindered by timezone or jet lag.
You and people like you marked the people who "disagreed" with Serral being GOAT as haters, so enjoy your own medicine.
Though Maxpax control of this disru-carrier-stalker compo is impressive. I think Clem should have left some forces to force the retreat or full-on base trade. Maxpax compo can only work if all units are together.
On January 12 2022 05:44 MarianoSC2 wrote: [quote]
Finally after 20 tournaments it worked out for you :D Youre too awesome pal !
Twenty, uh? What about Rogue dropping out of the groups at NEXT right before dominating TSL? That was two tournaments ago.
No comment on TSL8 thread? Thought that you may spur out some comments there🤭
Rogue wrecking Serral has become too much of a norm even for the likes of Xainon to argue so no point for me to be there, I just enjoyed the matches Everyone knows by now who is the best Zerg and levels above anyone else in ZvZ especially.
But its funny how Xainon is trolling the twitch chat before every KR vs Foreigner match saying beware beware I think the foreigner has a good chance!!! (well, yeah, everyone theoretically has a chance) and then feeling like a boss if 1 time out of 10 the foreigner actually wins... :D
Your delusion is immense, your statements false, the numbers you make up are senseless.
Not expecting Rogue to have a good chance to drop out early after losing the first match in a groupstage means that someone is too enamored of the fictional image of the unbeatable wrecker of worlds. Even when Rogue is in a good/exceptional form, anyone can beat him when he rolls low; just stick to the facts and hold your GOAT claims for the next tournament in which the whims of fate will give us an unstoppable Rogue.
Even as someone who shares the opinion that Rogue is a VERY inconsistent player, I have to say your selective appearance in certain threads diminishes the objective quality of your arguments
Let me disagree.
I am not a writer, I am not supposed to be neutral; it should be clear to anyone at this point that I like Rogue the least out of the top Sc2 players.
How objective my statements are, however, should be judged based on how verifiable and corresponding to real facts and trends they are, not on when I decide to express them; I don't see why I should join certain threads to support enthusiastic choirs of opinions that I do not share.
that's a bit like avilo making a legitimate balance complaint. Maybe this time what you said was reasonable but your track record of constantly diminishing the achievements of the top koreans lets us see your statements in a different light.
Hilarious.
If we define reasonable as suffragated by facts, statistics and overall openly verifiable statements there are very few posts I made on this forum, if any, that are not.
As for "constant track of diminishing the achievements of the top koreans", this means not agreeing with the (subjective) importance some people, like you, attribute to certain trophies or pointing out that certain players are overhyped when there is no relevant evidence supporting the claim. Do you know what really diminishing an achievement is? Outright calling HSC or GSL vs the World joke tournaments or pretending koreans are always and necessarily the side hindered by timezone or jet lag.
You and people like you marked the people who "disagreed" with Serral being GOAT as haters, so enjoy your own medicine.
No, I didn't; I never even said once that Serral is the GOAT, despite what people here are deeply convinced of. You guys instead started trying to discredit Serral as soon as he started winning almost four years ago, before the most zealous of his fans dared hoping he could be world champion, let alone be called GOAT.
Twenty, uh? What about Rogue dropping out of the groups at NEXT right before dominating TSL? That was two tournaments ago.
No comment on TSL8 thread? Thought that you may spur out some comments there🤭
Rogue wrecking Serral has become too much of a norm even for the likes of Xainon to argue so no point for me to be there, I just enjoyed the matches Everyone knows by now who is the best Zerg and levels above anyone else in ZvZ especially.
But its funny how Xainon is trolling the twitch chat before every KR vs Foreigner match saying beware beware I think the foreigner has a good chance!!! (well, yeah, everyone theoretically has a chance) and then feeling like a boss if 1 time out of 10 the foreigner actually wins... :D
Your delusion is immense, your statements false, the numbers you make up are senseless.
Not expecting Rogue to have a good chance to drop out early after losing the first match in a groupstage means that someone is too enamored of the fictional image of the unbeatable wrecker of worlds. Even when Rogue is in a good/exceptional form, anyone can beat him when he rolls low; just stick to the facts and hold your GOAT claims for the next tournament in which the whims of fate will give us an unstoppable Rogue.
Even as someone who shares the opinion that Rogue is a VERY inconsistent player, I have to say your selective appearance in certain threads diminishes the objective quality of your arguments
Let me disagree.
I am not a writer, I am not supposed to be neutral; it should be clear to anyone at this point that I like Rogue the least out of the top Sc2 players.
How objective my statements are, however, should be judged based on how verifiable and corresponding to real facts and trends they are, not on when I decide to express them; I don't see why I should join certain threads to support enthusiastic choirs of opinions that I do not share.
that's a bit like avilo making a legitimate balance complaint. Maybe this time what you said was reasonable but your track record of constantly diminishing the achievements of the top koreans lets us see your statements in a different light.
Hilarious.
If we define reasonable as suffragated by facts, statistics and overall openly verifiable statements there are very few posts I made on this forum, if any, that are not.
As for "constant track of diminishing the achievements of the top koreans", this means not agreeing with the (subjective) importance some people, like you, attribute to certain trophies or pointing out that certain players are overhyped when there is no relevant evidence supporting the claim. Do you know what really diminishing an achievement is? Outright calling HSC or GSL vs the World joke tournaments or pretending koreans are always and necessarily the side hindered by timezone or jet lag.
You and people like you marked the people who "disagreed" with Serral being GOAT as haters, so enjoy your own medicine.
No, I didn't; I never even said once that Serral is the GOAT, despite what people here are deeply convinced of. You guys instead started trying to discredit Serral as soon as he started winning almost four years ago, before the most zealous of his fans dared hoping he could be world champion, let alone be called GOAT.
Can we please talk about the games going on right now, instead of forcing all of us to read this stupid Serral/GOAT stuff for the umpteenth time?
Twenty, uh? What about Rogue dropping out of the groups at NEXT right before dominating TSL? That was two tournaments ago.
No comment on TSL8 thread? Thought that you may spur out some comments there🤭
Rogue wrecking Serral has become too much of a norm even for the likes of Xainon to argue so no point for me to be there, I just enjoyed the matches Everyone knows by now who is the best Zerg and levels above anyone else in ZvZ especially.
But its funny how Xainon is trolling the twitch chat before every KR vs Foreigner match saying beware beware I think the foreigner has a good chance!!! (well, yeah, everyone theoretically has a chance) and then feeling like a boss if 1 time out of 10 the foreigner actually wins... :D
Your delusion is immense, your statements false, the numbers you make up are senseless.
Not expecting Rogue to have a good chance to drop out early after losing the first match in a groupstage means that someone is too enamored of the fictional image of the unbeatable wrecker of worlds. Even when Rogue is in a good/exceptional form, anyone can beat him when he rolls low; just stick to the facts and hold your GOAT claims for the next tournament in which the whims of fate will give us an unstoppable Rogue.
Even as someone who shares the opinion that Rogue is a VERY inconsistent player, I have to say your selective appearance in certain threads diminishes the objective quality of your arguments
Let me disagree.
I am not a writer, I am not supposed to be neutral; it should be clear to anyone at this point that I like Rogue the least out of the top Sc2 players.
How objective my statements are, however, should be judged based on how verifiable and corresponding to real facts and trends they are, not on when I decide to express them; I don't see why I should join certain threads to support enthusiastic choirs of opinions that I do not share.
that's a bit like avilo making a legitimate balance complaint. Maybe this time what you said was reasonable but your track record of constantly diminishing the achievements of the top koreans lets us see your statements in a different light.
Hilarious.
If we define reasonable as suffragated by facts, statistics and overall openly verifiable statements there are very few posts I made on this forum, if any, that are not.
As for "constant track of diminishing the achievements of the top koreans", this means not agreeing with the (subjective) importance some people, like you, attribute to certain trophies or pointing out that certain players are overhyped when there is no relevant evidence supporting the claim. Do you know what really diminishing an achievement is? Outright calling HSC or GSL vs the World joke tournaments or pretending koreans are always and necessarily the side hindered by timezone or jet lag.
You and people like you marked the people who "disagreed" with Serral being GOAT as haters, so enjoy your own medicine.
No, I didn't; I never even said once that Serral is the GOAT, despite what people here are deeply convinced of. You guys instead started trying to discredit Serral as soon as he started winning almost four years ago, before the most zealous of his fans dared hoping he could be world champion, let alone be called GOAT.
Not all of us. I was saying before BlizzCon 2018 that Serral was the best zerg in the world at the time / better than Dark and Rogue notably. I remember people thinking I was trolling with that statement, but Serral was still regarded as a very strong zerg by most people here
Nice congratulations Clem! MaxPax had this in the bag but threw away too many disruptors, the godlike micro of Clem was enough to turn this away in the end
I dont like how MaxPax wasted like 10+ DT trying to snipe down a couple SCV one at a time like that. Sure the initial wave was good, but after that Clem was pretty much on-point with the DT defend. Had MaxPax just be more patient and get like 10 DT together, he could have sniped much more efficiently.
On January 13 2022 23:58 Poopi wrote: Nice congratulations Clem! MaxPax had this in the bag but threw away too many disruptors, the godlike micro of Clem was enough to turn this away in the end
Ah yes the Godlike micro that made him eat like a billion money shots this game
On January 13 2022 23:58 Poopi wrote: Nice congratulations Clem! MaxPax had this in the bag but threw away too many disruptors, the godlike micro of Clem was enough to turn this away in the end
Ah yes the Godlike micro that made him eat like a billion money shots this game
When you have a literally nonstop action paced chaotically crazy game for 15 minutes straight BOTH players will always make a ton of mistakes, no matter who they are. That's because the game is a slugger not because the players are playing poorly. Both pulled out sick moves countless times this series (and that game)
On January 13 2022 23:58 Poopi wrote: Nice congratulations Clem! MaxPax had this in the bag but threw away too many disruptors, the godlike micro of Clem was enough to turn this away in the end
Ah yes the Godlike micro that made him eat like a billion money shots this game
You did realize that he was away from his army dealing with DT harass at those moments right? The observing in DH is kinda lackluster so we miss things, but it was quite clear. When Clem was on his army he had superb control, killing disruptors on the verge of their balls exploding when it was possible, and otherwise kiting and/or splitting.
On January 13 2022 23:58 Poopi wrote: Nice congratulations Clem! MaxPax had this in the bag but threw away too many disruptors, the godlike micro of Clem was enough to turn this away in the end
Ah yes the Godlike micro that made him eat like a billion money shots this game
When you have a literally nonstop action paced chaotically crazy game for 15 minutes straight BOTH players will always make a ton of mistakes, no matter who they are. That's because the game is a slugger not because the players are playing poorly. Both pulled out sick moves countless times this series (and that game)
On January 13 2022 23:58 Poopi wrote: Nice congratulations Clem! MaxPax had this in the bag but threw away too many disruptors, the godlike micro of Clem was enough to turn this away in the end
Ah yes the Godlike micro that made him eat like a billion money shots this game
When you have a literally nonstop action paced chaotically crazy game for 15 minutes straight BOTH players will always make a ton of mistakes, no matter who they are. That's because the game is a slugger not because the players are playing poorly. Both pulled out sick moves countless times this series (and that game)
Unless you're Maru
Well he got eliminated from Code S by sOs / Zoun in a similar disruptor situation, but he had to play super late the day before for DH finals vs Reynor
On January 13 2022 23:58 Poopi wrote: Nice congratulations Clem! MaxPax had this in the bag but threw away too many disruptors, the godlike micro of Clem was enough to turn this away in the end
Ah yes the Godlike micro that made him eat like a billion money shots this game
When you have a literally nonstop action paced chaotically crazy game for 15 minutes straight BOTH players will always make a ton of mistakes, no matter who they are. That's because the game is a slugger not because the players are playing poorly. Both pulled out sick moves countless times this series (and that game)
Unless you're Maru
Well he got eliminated from Code S by sOs / Zoun in a similar disruptor situation, but he had to play super late the day before for DH finals vs Reynor
Oh god that was literally the only way he could have lost that game too. that was painful to watch.
On January 13 2022 23:58 Poopi wrote: Nice congratulations Clem! MaxPax had this in the bag but threw away too many disruptors, the godlike micro of Clem was enough to turn this away in the end
Ah yes the Godlike micro that made him eat like a billion money shots this game
You did realize that he was away from his army dealing with DT harass at those moments right? The observing in DH is kinda lackluster so we miss things, but it was quite clear. When Clem was on his army he had superb control, killing disruptors on the verge of their balls exploding when it was possible, and otherwise kiting and/or splitting.
At one time in Maxpax main im pretty sure he looked as he was emping too he just fucked up, in general (only watched the last game) i don't think it looked like his usual micro which actually is pretty amazing. Also you'd think focussing on dts while so often keeping his army in close proximity of maxpax is quite a big mistake vs disruptors i mean what do u expect. Just overall i think clem can do much better vs disruptor armies while defending dts as he has shown in the past imo.
On January 13 2022 23:58 Poopi wrote: Nice congratulations Clem! MaxPax had this in the bag but threw away too many disruptors, the godlike micro of Clem was enough to turn this away in the end
Ah yes the Godlike micro that made him eat like a billion money shots this game
You did realize that he was away from his army dealing with DT harass at those moments right? The observing in DH is kinda lackluster so we miss things, but it was quite clear. When Clem was on his army he had superb control, killing disruptors on the verge of their balls exploding when it was possible, and otherwise kiting and/or splitting.
At one time in Maxpax main im pretty sure he looked as he was emping too he just fucked up, in general (only watched the last game) i don't think it looked like his usual micro which actually is pretty amazing. Also you'd think focussing on dts while so often keeping his army in close proximity of maxpax is quite a big mistake vs disruptors i mean what do u expect. Just overall i think clem can do much better vs disruptor armies while defending dts as he has shown in the past imo.
There were probably some slip ups happening in that kind of game with that many exchanges it is bound to happen. I don't think Clem would have made such a comeback without good micro. I don't feel like MaxPax threw the game either, he was just a bit aggressive with the disruptors / dt harass and it kind of paid off, but since disruptors are pretty slow he lost some when retreating because they are slower than the main army
On January 13 2022 23:58 Poopi wrote: Nice congratulations Clem! MaxPax had this in the bag but threw away too many disruptors, the godlike micro of Clem was enough to turn this away in the end
Ah yes the Godlike micro that made him eat like a billion money shots this game
You did realize that he was away from his army dealing with DT harass at those moments right? The observing in DH is kinda lackluster so we miss things, but it was quite clear. When Clem was on his army he had superb control, killing disruptors on the verge of their balls exploding when it was possible, and otherwise kiting and/or splitting.
At one time in Maxpax main im pretty sure he looked as he was emping too he just fucked up, in general (only watched the last game) i don't think it looked like his usual micro which actually is pretty amazing. Also you'd think focussing on dts while so often keeping his army in close proximity of maxpax is quite a big mistake vs disruptors i mean what do u expect. Just overall i think clem can do much better vs disruptor armies while defending dts as he has shown in the past imo.
There were probably some slip ups happening in that kind of game with that many exchanges it is bound to happen. I don't think Clem would have made such a comeback without good micro. I don't feel like MaxPax threw the game either, he was just a bit aggressive with the disruptors / dt harass and it kind of paid off, but since disruptors are pretty slow he lost some when retreating because they are slower than the main army
I mean yea clems micro was good but i hold him up to a higher standard as he imo can do better and has shown better in the past, also dont think maxpax threw and would pretty much agree on ur comment here.
Twenty, uh? What about Rogue dropping out of the groups at NEXT right before dominating TSL? That was two tournaments ago.
No comment on TSL8 thread? Thought that you may spur out some comments there🤭
Rogue wrecking Serral has become too much of a norm even for the likes of Xainon to argue so no point for me to be there, I just enjoyed the matches Everyone knows by now who is the best Zerg and levels above anyone else in ZvZ especially.
But its funny how Xainon is trolling the twitch chat before every KR vs Foreigner match saying beware beware I think the foreigner has a good chance!!! (well, yeah, everyone theoretically has a chance) and then feeling like a boss if 1 time out of 10 the foreigner actually wins... :D
Your delusion is immense, your statements false, the numbers you make up are senseless.
Not expecting Rogue to have a good chance to drop out early after losing the first match in a groupstage means that someone is too enamored of the fictional image of the unbeatable wrecker of worlds. Even when Rogue is in a good/exceptional form, anyone can beat him when he rolls low; just stick to the facts and hold your GOAT claims for the next tournament in which the whims of fate will give us an unstoppable Rogue.
Even as someone who shares the opinion that Rogue is a VERY inconsistent player, I have to say your selective appearance in certain threads diminishes the objective quality of your arguments
Let me disagree.
I am not a writer, I am not supposed to be neutral; it should be clear to anyone at this point that I like Rogue the least out of the top Sc2 players.
How objective my statements are, however, should be judged based on how verifiable and corresponding to real facts and trends they are, not on when I decide to express them; I don't see why I should join certain threads to support enthusiastic choirs of opinions that I do not share.
that's a bit like avilo making a legitimate balance complaint. Maybe this time what you said was reasonable but your track record of constantly diminishing the achievements of the top koreans lets us see your statements in a different light.
Hilarious.
If we define reasonable as suffragated by facts, statistics and overall openly verifiable statements there are very few posts I made on this forum, if any, that are not.
As for "constant track of diminishing the achievements of the top koreans", this means not agreeing with the (subjective) importance some people, like you, attribute to certain trophies or pointing out that certain players are overhyped when there is no relevant evidence supporting the claim. Do you know what really diminishing an achievement is? Outright calling HSC or GSL vs the World joke tournaments or pretending koreans are always and necessarily the side hindered by timezone or jet lag.
You and people like you marked the people who "disagreed" with Serral being GOAT as haters, so enjoy your own medicine.
No, I didn't; I never even said once that Serral is the GOAT, despite what people here are deeply convinced of. You guys instead started trying to discredit Serral as soon as he started winning almost four years ago, before the most zealous of his fans dared hoping he could be world champion, let alone be called GOAT.
I have never discredited Serral, I always agreed that he was the best player in the world when he won Blizzcon, a top 3 player throughout 2019 and a top 5 player since then. I only argue against him when someone starts the argument that he's the Goat and yet you have called me a hater for that many times.
Grats to Solar. I've become a fan of him over the last few years (homestory probably is a huge part of this), him and TY are probably the best korean pro gamers as far as interacting with foreign fans.
Hoping he can have some more success since hes been around forever and really didn't have a whole lot of it during the kespa era
Clem played TvZ at his usual level I think, Solar is just strong in these scenarios so cross server gonna be difficult. I am confident for him at Katowice . Would be fun and spicy if MaxPax knocked out Dark
Damn, Solar is playing like a mad man. Anyway, Maru seemed better control of killing the randomized nydus pop up in the Hardwire map compared to Clem in this matchup.
On January 14 2022 02:21 Poopi wrote: Clem played TvZ at his usual level I think, Solar is just strong in these scenarios so cross server gonna be difficult. I am confident for him at Katowice . Would be fun and spicy if MaxPax knocked out Dark
TBF for some reason Clem never delivers in the international tournaments, so I expect disappointment.
On January 14 2022 02:21 Poopi wrote: Clem played TvZ at his usual level I think, Solar is just strong in these scenarios so cross server gonna be difficult. I am confident for him at Katowice . Would be fun and spicy if MaxPax knocked out Dark
TBF for some reason Clem never delivers in the international tournaments, so I expect disappointment.
There will be at least one frenchman cheering for him in the audience if katowice maintains spectators, that should help
On January 14 2022 02:24 Nakajin wrote: Fun (?) fact, Clem is now under 50% vs korean zerg this ESL year (aka since last Kato).
Interesting, just off reputation I never would have thought this to be possible. However cross server certainly plays a factor but isn't the whole story.
Also it feels like both Reynor and Clem are kind of going through a similar slump. Reaching the top is tough but staying there is even harder
On January 14 2022 02:24 Nakajin wrote: Fun (?) fact, Clem is now under 50% vs korean zerg this ESL year (aka since last Kato).
Interesting, just off reputation I never would have thought this to be possible. However cross server certainly plays a factor but isn't the whole story.
Also it feels like both Reynor and Clem are kind of going through a similar slump. Reaching the top is tough but staying there is even harder
Clem felt virtually invincible for like 10-12 months in TvZ; that's really hard to achieve in any match-up. It's more a surprise that it happened at all, more so than the fact that it went away.
On January 14 2022 02:24 Nakajin wrote: Fun (?) fact, Clem is now under 50% vs korean zerg this ESL year (aka since last Kato).
Interesting, just off reputation I never would have thought this to be possible. However cross server certainly plays a factor but isn't the whole story.
Also it feels like both Reynor and Clem are kind of going through a similar slump. Reaching the top is tough but staying there is even harder
Clem felt virtually invincible for like 10-12 months in TvZ; that's really hard to achieve in any match-up. It's more a surprise that it happened at all, more so than the fact that it went away.
Solar did well against him even in that period, beating him at last IEM Katowice and 3-0ed him in another tournament. I think his streak against Serral and Reynor was mainly due to them being stubborn vs him and dying in the same way.
On January 14 2022 02:24 Nakajin wrote: Fun (?) fact, Clem is now under 50% vs korean zerg this ESL year (aka since last Kato).
Interesting, just off reputation I never would have thought this to be possible. However cross server certainly plays a factor but isn't the whole story.
Also it feels like both Reynor and Clem are kind of going through a similar slump. Reaching the top is tough but staying there is even harder
Clem felt virtually invincible for like 10-12 months in TvZ; that's really hard to achieve in any match-up. It's more a surprise that it happened at all, more so than the fact that it went away.
Solar did well against him even in that period, beating him at last IEM Katowice and 3-0ed him in another tournament. I think his streak against Serral and Reynor was mainly due to them being stubborn vs him and dying in the same way.
Yes, and in addition as soon as he started facing other top Korean zergs like Dark and Rogue he regularly lost. I think we need to revise the narrative he had invincible TvZ for a year, and rewrite it to that he just had Reynor + Serral's number for a year.
Of course you could argue his TvZ streak just coincidentally ended right as he started regularly facing top korean zergs, but I don't think that's the explanation.
And yes ofc agree he has always had (and still does have) very excellent TvZ
Solar thanked Hyperion, kaizi's team manager, during the interview. Interestingly, Hyperion had a 2-1 win over Reynor on April 20, 2021. Kaizi team is trying to re-establish a professional team mode. Clearly, Time is also a beneficiary of the professional management model.
On January 14 2022 02:21 swarminfestor wrote: Damn, Solar is playing like a mad man. Anyway, Maru seemed better control of killing the randomized nydus pop up in the Hardwire map compared to Clem in this matchup.
For sure. When Maru and Clem are attacking, their pace is pretty comparable. But it feels like Maru also knows how to defend with that same pace and skill (and generally react a bit better to the game state), where as Clem seems to struggle when he's not on the opponent's front door. The aggressive KR ZvT styles really throw him off and play to his weaknesses.
On January 14 2022 02:21 swarminfestor wrote: Damn, Solar is playing like a mad man. Anyway, Maru seemed better control of killing the randomized nydus pop up in the Hardwire map compared to Clem in this matchup.
For sure. When Maru and Clem are attacking, their pace is pretty comparable. But it feels like Maru also knows how to defend with that same pace and skill (and generally react a bit better to the game state), where as Clem seems to struggle when he's not on the opponent's front door. The aggressive KR ZvT styles really throw him off and play to his weaknesses.
I always felt like Dark's historic strengths against foreigners was that he would just come in with pretty wonky but also super-powerful timings that foreigners just fell against - but MaxPax probably has amongst the most solid PvZ/PvP defenses in the game and so he matches up well against Dark
On January 14 2022 02:54 Pandain wrote: I always felt like Dark's historic strengths against foreigners was that he would just come in with pretty wonky but also super-powerful timings that foreigners just fell against - but MaxPax probably has amongst the most solid PvZ/PvP defenses in the game and so he matches up well against Dark
In general I think turtle for late game metas favor the foreigners because that's more the style they like to play where as generally the KR players are much more aggressive.
On January 14 2022 02:54 Pandain wrote: I always felt like Dark's historic strengths against foreigners was that he would just come in with pretty wonky but also super-powerful timings that foreigners just fell against - but MaxPax probably has amongst the most solid PvZ/PvP defenses in the game and so he matches up well against Dark
In general I think turtle for late game metas favor the foreigners because that's more the style they like to play where as generally the KR players are much more aggressive.
To put it another way, foreigners are very one-dimensional whereas korean players actually have depth to their playstyle
On January 14 2022 02:54 Pandain wrote: I always felt like Dark's historic strengths against foreigners was that he would just come in with pretty wonky but also super-powerful timings that foreigners just fell against - but MaxPax probably has amongst the most solid PvZ/PvP defenses in the game and so he matches up well against Dark
He should bring back the shitty ravager build, it used to bring him unexplainable success
On January 14 2022 02:21 swarminfestor wrote: Damn, Solar is playing like a mad man. Anyway, Maru seemed better control of killing the randomized nydus pop up in the Hardwire map compared to Clem in this matchup.
For sure. When Maru and Clem are attacking, their pace is pretty comparable. But it feels like Maru also knows how to defend with that same pace and skill (and generally react a bit better to the game state), where as Clem seems to struggle when he's not on the opponent's front door. The aggressive KR ZvT styles really throw him off and play to his weaknesses.
More like Maru can play with many different style and build order than Clem, make it harder for Zerg to defend against Maru early game. Clem is pretty much like clock-work with his early tech and build order, and opponents can prepare for certain timing and move out from him and counter effectively. Maru can play any of the 5-6 different opening, including proxy or Mech or 3 racks, and that force the opponent to be less prepare and cautious.
On January 14 2022 02:54 Pandain wrote: I always felt like Dark's historic strengths against foreigners was that he would just come in with pretty wonky but also super-powerful timings that foreigners just fell against - but MaxPax probably has amongst the most solid PvZ/PvP defenses in the game and so he matches up well against Dark
In general I think turtle for late game metas favor the foreigners because that's more the style they like to play where as generally the KR players are much more aggressive.
I think the koreans long history of playing in teamleagues where they had to prepare a specific build for a specific map might be a reason for that. Predictable macro players got easily punished by that
On January 14 2022 03:02 Charoisaur wrote: now this is Starcraft 2 and not bullshit Voidraycraft
Queencraft*
or both tbh
MapsaretoobigCraft*
Alterzim Stronghold, Whirlwind, and Deadwing send their regards
Well, I despised them as well, except Whirlwind because you had to actually work to try and take additional bases. Other two were just campfests, much like Hardwire we're seeing right now. Also, comparing old 4 player maps to 2 player maps says a lot about the 2 player maps we have nowadays
In a weird way, I think Hardwire is slowly becoming a Zerg favored map in TvZ with mass lingbane against Terran Bio. Maybe people should just start playing Mech on this map like Maru.
On January 14 2022 04:31 tigera6 wrote: In a weird way, I think Hardwire is slowly becoming a Zerg favored map in TvZ with mass lingbane against Terran Bio. Maybe people should just start playing Mech on this map like Maru.
Hardwire is statistically the worst map in TvZ with 41% winrate iirc (pride of altaris is supposedly 44% but I did not look at the numbers myself, since it's often banned the sample size is probably too low) edit: adding sources + Show Spoiler +
Hardwire LE and Pride of Altaris LE as I guessed, not many games were played on pride of altaris so stats should really be taken with a grain of salt, it might converge to worse numbers
Great micro from Dark for the most part. He lost a ton of lurkers for free but i almost felt like he was baiting clem into a ton of ghosts to just overwhelm him with the ling bane.
On January 14 2022 04:31 tigera6 wrote: In a weird way, I think Hardwire is slowly becoming a Zerg favored map in TvZ with mass lingbane against Terran Bio. Maybe people should just start playing Mech on this map like Maru.
Hardwire is statistically the worst map in TvZ with 41% winrate iirc (pride of altaris is supposedly 44% but I did not look at the numbers myself, since it's often banned the sample size is probably too low)
Holy shit, I didnt even know that. From a first glance, I thought this was a more "balance" map in TvZ with some choke points and such. Wow, so its even worse then Pride and Glittering Ashes, really unexpected.
How many PFs were behind the rocks? I believe Clem had none there, so when Dark attacked that way, he went around the bunker lines. Once again the villain uses this simple trick, France hates him
On January 14 2022 04:34 absinthfee wrote: It seems like only maru can turtle until the end effectively.
That's because Maru never stops making Siege Tanks.
Yeah I'm not sure if you can beat mass ling bane without seige tanks (and probably a decent amount of PFs).
Widow Mines are just not as reliable as Siege Tanks are, we saw how many times Clem took significant friendly fire from those Widow Mines and we saw how Dark just micro'd his units so the Widow Mines weren't as effective.
On January 14 2022 04:41 deacon.frost wrote: How many PFs were behind the rocks? I believe Clem had none there, so when Dark attacked that way, he went around the bunker lines. Once again the villain uses this simple trick, France hates him
I would love to know if Dark left the rocks untouched so there are no planetaries or it was just an accident. because if so it was a mindgame of the year
On January 14 2022 04:34 absinthfee wrote: It seems like only maru can turtle until the end effectively.
That's because Maru never stops making Siege Tanks.
Yeah I'm not sure if you can beat mass ling bane without seige tanks (and probably a decent amount of PFs).
Widow Mines are just not as reliable as Siege Tanks are, we saw how many times Clem took significant friendly fire from those Widow Mines and we saw how Dark just micro'd his units so the Widow Mines weren't as effective.
Widow Mines becoming a one-and-done unit pretty much when Hydra and Lurker is out, and unless Terran has 3-4 Reactor Factories pumping out Mines non-stop, lingbane will overrun them eventually. Tanks are actually quite "tanky" and also good against Hydra-Lurker as well.
I think the sentiment in here is pretty correct. I think you need an anchor of tanks and libs (plus some PFs) to support the ghost and little amount of bio on every front. Widow mines can be supplemental aoe there but it can't be all that you are relying on.
Not to mention I think Maru's skillset is just better suited for this style than Clems.
On January 14 2022 04:49 Moonerz wrote: I think the sentiment in here is pretty correct. I think you need an anchor of tanks and libs (plus some PFs) to support the ghost and little amount of bio on every front. Widow mines can be supplemental aoe there but it can't be all that you are relying on.
Not to mention I think Maru's skillset is just better suited for this style than Clems.
Maru plays vs Dark without ping it's kinda hard to compare. Although we saw him beat Serral at 5am with ping so he is still probably better than Clem in the MU atm
On January 14 2022 06:00 Athenau wrote: Is there any terran not named Maru who's doing well in TvZ?
There are two terrans on aligulac with more than 3000+ rating in TvZ, Maru and Clem. Several in the 2900-3000 range (Byun, Bunny, Cure, HeroMarine) 6 zergs with 3000+ ZvT rating (Serral / Dark / Reynor / Rogue / Solar / DRG)
On January 14 2022 06:00 Athenau wrote: Is there any terran not named Maru who's doing well in TvZ?
Clem in the EU. It starting to appear he has some kind of block when playing an international tournament... and Cure to certain degree
Cure's just a dark horse in general. Never know when he's going to show up and kill everyone or get knocked out first round.
Course I guess you could also say that too about Rogue in this tournament except Rogue is more in general just WAY WAY better when playing offline so this isn't exactly all that unusual for him.
On January 14 2022 04:34 absinthfee wrote: It seems like only maru can turtle until the end effectively.
That's because Maru never stops making Siege Tanks.
Not only that, Maru's placement of his PFs are so much better than Clem's. Clem placed his PFs in the middle of nowhere where Dark could easily surround the PFs and get rid of them.
Maru on the other hand, place them in such a way that it creates narrow channels to funnel the zerglings or banelings, with siege tanks behind those channels killing off zerg units. Maru also leaves a lot more units behind to defend, instead of sending a large bio army to attack. Maru only sends out a small chunk of his bio, with a few ghosts to attack, and then he pulls back.
Clem doesn't do that. He brings a large portion of his army, and I think Dark noticed that and took the opportunity to go straight down the middle and carved out a channel into Clem's main base. Maru is a lot more patient than Clem is.
It has to be said that Clem has always struggled more than most in cross server events, probably because of his aggressive, micro focused plastyle, and that this problem is naturally more evident in TvZ. When Clem started having the upper hand against Serral and Reynor he had an approximately even record against Ragnarok and Armani(whereas Serral and Reynor were performing as expected against korean Terran of the appropriate level) ;when Clem reached double digits win records in April/May 2021(after Katowice, for sure) against the european Zerg he eventually started beating korean ones(and also managed to beat Dark and Rouge) but at that point Clem had the best overall shape of his career and online Cure/top Serral overall winrates.
Clem's overall level also declined significantly, with his TvT and TvZ becoming way worse while his level in TvP stayed the same or improved slightly; new maps must have played a role but I'm not sure that's the only reason. At the moment, Maru could just be better than Clem in every single matchup.
On January 14 2022 11:36 Xain0n wrote: At the moment, Maru could just be better than Clem in every single matchup.
I think part of that is that Maru has adjusted his playstyle so much over the years and knows how to play so differently in each matchup. I've seen him being super aggressive against Terran/Zerg/Protoss, but at the same time, I've also seen him know when to turtle up completely and just being defensive (his series against ShowTime as an example).
Clem on the other hand, I haven't seen much change. There are changes for sure, but nowhere near as diverse as Maru. Take a simple example, I have never seen Clem play mech in any competitive matches against Zerg, whereas Maru can and will throw in the odd mech games (like his series against Ragnarok). Being so one-dimensional means that his opponents can adjust to him, which I think the Korean Zergs have done, and both Serral/Reynor started doing that as well.
It's easier to win with one-dimensional playstyle as Zerg than any other race. Protoss is a distant second despite their more abusive builds because of constant patch changes. Terran is the most dynamic of all.
That's why foreigners can only excel as Zerg historically throughout SC2. And why multi-dimensional Zergs like Rogue, Dark and The-One-That-Shalt-Not-Be-Named will always have the edge in terms of success and legacy.
On January 14 2022 14:43 RKC wrote: It's easier to win with one-dimensional playstyle as Zerg than any other race. Protoss is a distant second despite their more abusive builds because of constant patch changes. Terran is the most dynamic of all.
That's why foreigners can only excel as Zerg historically throughout SC2. And why multi-dimensional Zergs like Rogue, Dark and The-One-That-Shalt-Not-Be-Named will always have the edge in terms of success and legacy.
(There, I said it. Let the flame wars begin!)
Sure, everyone knows koreans are superior multidimensional entities and that's why they are so good at Starcraft.
On January 14 2022 14:43 RKC wrote: It's easier to win with one-dimensional playstyle as Zerg than any other race. Protoss is a distant second despite their more abusive builds because of constant patch changes. Terran is the most dynamic of all.
That's why foreigners can only excel as Zerg historically throughout SC2. And why multi-dimensional Zergs like Rogue, Dark and The-One-That-Shalt-Not-Be-Named will always have the edge in terms of success and legacy.
(There, I said it. Let the flame wars begin!)
Sure, everyone knows koreans are superior multidimensional entities and that's why they are so good at Starcraft.
you disagree that most foreigners have a more one-dimensional approach to the game than koreans?
On January 14 2022 14:43 RKC wrote: It's easier to win with one-dimensional playstyle as Zerg than any other race. Protoss is a distant second despite their more abusive builds because of constant patch changes. Terran is the most dynamic of all.
That's why foreigners can only excel as Zerg historically throughout SC2. And why multi-dimensional Zergs like Rogue, Dark and The-One-That-Shalt-Not-Be-Named will always have the edge in terms of success and legacy.
(There, I said it. Let the flame wars begin!)
Sure, everyone knows koreans are superior multidimensional entities and that's why they are so good at Starcraft.
you disagree that most foreigners have a more one-dimensional approach to the game than koreans?
You agree with such a statement which is a pretty biased oversimplification at best and complete nonsense at worst? Throughout the history of Sc2? Probably. At the moment/in recent times? Not especially. RKC also implies that non koreans cannot play Sc2 without being monodimensional, which is ridicolous and unworthy to be even discussed.
I don't think Clem needs to play mech so that koreans will have an harder time playing him, they would not care since mech is relatively weak and kinda figured out. I only see Maru play mech vs inferior zergs like RagnaroK, or when playing good foreign zergs cross server. Clem did play mech vZ in the past, more specifically battle mech with cyclones etc., but he stopped doing so after he threw the game against Reynor in nation-wars with that style.
On January 14 2022 14:43 RKC wrote: It's easier to win with one-dimensional playstyle as Zerg than any other race. Protoss is a distant second despite their more abusive builds because of constant patch changes. Terran is the most dynamic of all.
That's why foreigners can only excel as Zerg historically throughout SC2. And why multi-dimensional Zergs like Rogue, Dark and The-One-That-Shalt-Not-Be-Named will always have the edge in terms of success and legacy.
(There, I said it. Let the flame wars begin!)
Sure, everyone knows koreans are superior multidimensional entities and that's why they are so good at Starcraft.
you disagree that most foreigners have a more one-dimensional approach to the game than koreans?
You agree with such a statement which is a pretty biased oversimplification at best and complete nonsense at worst? Throughout the history of Sc2? Probably. At the moment/in recent times? Not especially. RKC also implies that non koreans cannot play Sc2 without being monodimensional, which is ridicolous and unworthy to be even discussed.
well Serral, Reynor and Clem surely have a more one-dimensional approach to the game than Dark, Rogue and Maru. And then there are also players like HeroMarine and Showtime who basically play only straight up macro
Feels cruel to have Lambo cast the guy who's potentially taking his RO24 spot
So with the win, DRG is now the wildcard RO24 seed IF Zest has to forfeit his spot. Zest seemed more optimistic about his ability to compete at IEM Katowice than before (though he said it's far from a sure thing), so it might not matter for either Lambo or DRG ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
On January 14 2022 23:41 Poopi wrote: I guess DRG really wants his IEM spot!
It is tough to fight in Ro32 bracket. Mostly they will exhaust before the real challenge begins in Ro 24. As far as I could remember, no one survivors from Ro. 32 in the last Katowice made into the playoffs, right?
On January 14 2022 14:43 RKC wrote: It's easier to win with one-dimensional playstyle as Zerg than any other race. Protoss is a distant second despite their more abusive builds because of constant patch changes. Terran is the most dynamic of all.
That's why foreigners can only excel as Zerg historically throughout SC2. And why multi-dimensional Zergs like Rogue, Dark and The-One-That-Shalt-Not-Be-Named will always have the edge in terms of success and legacy.
(There, I said it. Let the flame wars begin!)
Sure, everyone knows koreans are superior multidimensional entities and that's why they are so good at Starcraft.
you disagree that most foreigners have a more one-dimensional approach to the game than koreans?
You agree with such a statement which is a pretty biased oversimplification at best and complete nonsense at worst? Throughout the history of Sc2? Probably. At the moment/in recent times? Not especially. RKC also implies that non koreans cannot play Sc2 without being monodimensional, which is ridicolous and unworthy to be even discussed.
well Serral, Reynor and Clem surely have a more one-dimensional approach to the game than Dark, Rogue and Maru. And then there are also players like HeroMarine and Showtime who basically play only straight up macro
I don't think Reynor is more one-dimensional player than the Korean zerg, he has been known to pull off a wide array of style.
Before Clem and HM the better foreign terrans were Special and uthermal and they were/are both on the crazier side of things. Neeb isn't exactly a one dimensionnal player although he dosen't partake in the super cheasy stuff but he isn't the only toss who dosen't. And then you have successfull player like Scarlett, Elazer of MaxPax that earned a lot of their success from being unpredictable and having a wide range of playstyle.
As for Korean, it think it's mostly a coincidence as of right now, we've had plenty of great koreans that liked to stick to one way of playing. soO is like the prime exemple of stuborness and absolute inability to play many style (rip soO spellcasters), Stats was pretty conservative, so were like Dream and ByuN and INno to a point
Just checking the Korean zergs playing right now, Solar is pretty predictable, Armani and DRG too, Ragnarock as some range but nothing crazy. Maybe the koreans are more apt to play multiple style since they generaly have way more experience and in general they are undeniably more cheesy, but I think it's a coincidence that right now the top koreans are among the most diverse while the top foreigner tend to stick to more standard stuff.
On January 14 2022 23:45 koalabro wrote: Hell yeah DRG back to peak form! Not many people say they can beat Serral in a tournament so this is an achievement in itself!
. Every top tier Zerg players for each region can beat Serral now.
On January 14 2022 23:45 koalabro wrote: Hell yeah DRG back to peak form! Not many people say they can beat Serral in a tournament so this is an achievement in itself!
. Every top tier Zerg players for each region can beat Serral now.
In bo5+ I doubt it, even more so offline. Bo3 is very volatile but still congrats to DRG!
On January 14 2022 14:43 RKC wrote: It's easier to win with one-dimensional playstyle as Zerg than any other race. Protoss is a distant second despite their more abusive builds because of constant patch changes. Terran is the most dynamic of all.
That's why foreigners can only excel as Zerg historically throughout SC2. And why multi-dimensional Zergs like Rogue, Dark and The-One-That-Shalt-Not-Be-Named will always have the edge in terms of success and legacy.
(There, I said it. Let the flame wars begin!)
Sure, everyone knows koreans are superior multidimensional entities and that's why they are so good at Starcraft.
you disagree that most foreigners have a more one-dimensional approach to the game than koreans?
You agree with such a statement which is a pretty biased oversimplification at best and complete nonsense at worst? Throughout the history of Sc2? Probably. At the moment/in recent times? Not especially. RKC also implies that non koreans cannot play Sc2 without being monodimensional, which is ridicolous and unworthy to be even discussed.
well Serral, Reynor and Clem surely have a more one-dimensional approach to the game than Dark, Rogue and Maru. And then there are also players like HeroMarine and Showtime who basically play only straight up macro
I don't think Reynor is more one-dimensional player than the Korean zerg, he has been known to pull off a wide array of style.
Before Clem and HM the better foreign terrans were Special and uthermal and they were/are both on the crazier side of things. Neeb isn't exactly a one dimensionnal player although he dosen't partake in the super cheasy stuff but he isn't the only toss who dosen't. And then you have successfull player like Scarlett, Elazer of MaxPax that earned a lot of their success from being unpredictable and having a wide range of playstyle.
As for Korean, it think it's mostly a coincidence as of right now, we've had plenty of great koreans that liked to stick to one way of playing. soO is like the prime exemple of stuborness and absolute inability to play many style (rip soO spellcasters), Stats was pretty conservative, so were like Dream and ByuN and INno to a point
Just checking the Korean zergs playing right now, Solar is pretty predictable, Armani and DRG too, Ragnarock as some range but nothing crazy. Maybe the koreans are more apt to play multiple style since they generaly have way more experience and in general they are undeniably more cheesy, but I think it's a coincidence that right now the top koreans are among the most diverse while the top foreigner tend to stick to more standard stuff.
Reynor is more multidimensional than Serral, but less so than Rogue and Dark.
Yes, I always felt Special was 'special'. His playstyle is quite diverse and creative. Unfortunately, he lacks the mechanics, consistency, and game-sense required to be a Terran champ. No offence, but uThermal is one-dimensionally abusive and chaotic (ala Has). Multidimensionalism requires some solid and sound plays as well. Not just doing random shit hoping to fluke out a win.
Cure looks to actually be back in form. Won a code S some time back and is still playing well. Was it 2015 when he last was great for a longer period of time? I remember him playing vs recent champion INnoVation, Cure playing bio but forgetting stim. Started the upgrade 16 or 17 minutes into the game. Crazy win that time.
I actually would have liked Cure shot more had he made 2nd place, against Time, Maru (who he beat a couple days ago) and Solar, than Zest, Dark and Reynor. But not like he can make just it pass Serral in the decider match neither.
On January 15 2022 02:06 tigera6 wrote: I actually would have liked Cure shot more had he made 2nd place, against Time, Maru (who he beat a couple days ago) and Solar, than Zest, Dark and Reynor. But not like he can make just it pass Serral in the decider match neither.
This is gonna end up with TIME getting "rewarded" for his great performance with an RO8 match against Serral
On January 15 2022 02:06 tigera6 wrote: I actually would have liked Cure shot more had he made 2nd place, against Time, Maru (who he beat a couple days ago) and Solar, than Zest, Dark and Reynor. But not like he can make just it pass Serral in the decider match neither.
This is gonna end up with TIME getting "rewarded" for his great performance with an RO8 match against Serral
If Serral can win against Dream that is, not looking promising
On January 15 2022 02:35 koalabro wrote: What are everyone's thoughts on having the server location and current player date and time on the casting interface so viewers have context?
That would be awesome to be honest, so we know the server advantage of both players. Better would be to get player ping directly
On January 15 2022 02:35 koalabro wrote: What are everyone's thoughts on having the server location and current player date and time on the casting interface so viewers have context?
server location,yes current player date and time is unnecessary imo
On January 15 2022 02:35 koalabro wrote: What are everyone's thoughts on having the server location and current player date and time on the casting interface so viewers have context?
server location,yes current player date and time is unnecessary imo
Dream just threw G2 when the mutas were in his main, he splits off his army picks off a base in the upper left. But he loses a ton of army in the center and upper left AND lets the mutas get away with the harass.
Maru does this super well, but i think Dream needed a couple medivacs to move the Thors around quickly so he could shut down moves just like that.
Haha. Damn DRG is actually so bad, and still Serral is toast. He has had like 5 years time to learn to defend that stupid drone pull and I have never, ever seen him defend that. If all zergs should just do that, its just easy win against Serral. So stupid.
On January 15 2022 03:45 Starcloud wrote: Haha. Damn DRG is actually so bad, and still Serral is toast. He has had like 5 years time to learn to defend that stupid drone pull and I have never, ever seen him defend that. If all zergs should just do that, its just easy win against Serral. So stupid.
Serral actually defended that in the TSL finals against Rogue
On January 15 2022 03:51 tigera6 wrote: Damn, never realize how good DRG English is. I guess because this is the first time I saw him doing interview in global tournaments.
he did mostly english interviews during his WoL career when he was going to MLG's etc
On January 15 2022 02:06 tigera6 wrote: I actually would have liked Cure shot more had he made 2nd place, against Time, Maru (who he beat a couple days ago) and Solar, than Zest, Dark and Reynor. But not like he can make just it pass Serral in the decider match neither.
This is gonna end up with TIME getting "rewarded" for his great performance with an RO8 match against Serral
Holy moly he got DRG so if DRG lost to Serral then Time would have had him
More like DRG is so stupidly underrated by Aligulac because Aligulac is so EU biased that when Serral lost to him twice it plummetted him down as though he lost to a couple no namers.
Just goes to remind everyone why Aligulac can't be taken seriously. Well unless you want to carry this ridiculous idea that Europeans are better than they are.
On January 15 2022 16:01 Vindicare605 wrote: More like DRG is so stupidly underrated by Aligulac because Aligulac is so EU biased that when Serral lost to him twice it plummetted him down as though he lost to a couple no namers.
Just goes to remind everyone why Aligulac can't be taken seriously. Well unless you want to carry this ridiculous idea that Europeans are better than they are.
It's been repeated forever now, Aligulac is a stupid tool to compare between regions. IMO they just shoudl remove the global ranking and call it a day.
On January 15 2022 16:01 Vindicare605 wrote: More like DRG is so stupidly underrated by Aligulac because Aligulac is so EU biased that when Serral lost to him twice it plummetted him down as though he lost to a couple no namers.
Just goes to remind everyone why Aligulac can't be taken seriously. Well unless you want to carry this ridiculous idea that Europeans are better than they are.
It's been repeated forever now, Aligulac is a stupid tool to compare between regions. IMO they just shoudl remove the global ranking and call it a day.
or maybe the community just should just treat their rankings with a grain of salt and not as the holy measurement of skill. I don't see anything wrong with it, it's a helpful tool if you know how to interpret the numbers
On January 15 2022 16:01 Vindicare605 wrote: More like DRG is so stupidly underrated by Aligulac because Aligulac is so EU biased that when Serral lost to him twice it plummetted him down as though he lost to a couple no namers.
Just goes to remind everyone why Aligulac can't be taken seriously. Well unless you want to carry this ridiculous idea that Europeans are better than they are.
It's been repeated forever now, Aligulac is a stupid tool to compare between regions. IMO they just shoudl remove the global ranking and call it a day.
or maybe the community just should just treat their rankings with a grain of salt and not as the holy measurement of skill. I don't see anything wrong with it, it's a helpful tool if you know how to interpret the numbers
But why do you need the global ranking if you can't compare a foreigner to a Korean?
On January 15 2022 16:01 Vindicare605 wrote: More like DRG is so stupidly underrated by Aligulac because Aligulac is so EU biased that when Serral lost to him twice it plummetted him down as though he lost to a couple no namers.
Just goes to remind everyone why Aligulac can't be taken seriously. Well unless you want to carry this ridiculous idea that Europeans are better than they are.
It's been repeated forever now, Aligulac is a stupid tool to compare between regions. IMO they just shoudl remove the global ranking and call it a day.
or maybe the community just should just treat their rankings with a grain of salt and not as the holy measurement of skill. I don't see anything wrong with it, it's a helpful tool if you know how to interpret the numbers
But why do you need the global ranking if you can't compare a foreigner to a Korean?
you can compare them, you just need to know in the back of your head that foreigner ratings are a little bit inflated compared to korean ratings. This is what I mean by interpreting the numbers.
the ratings will never be 100% accurate anyway, even for korean players. For example Rogue will always be underrated by the system because it doesn't take into account that he unlocks special powers when he's in the later stages of a big tournament.
I'm just confused as to how Solar could get caught off guard by Reynor's attack on his third and let him take such a good position since Reynor walked under his overlords.
On January 15 2022 23:36 Argonauta wrote: casters are missing that solar scouted the greedy 3rd from reynor with an ovi
The caster beside FearDragon is kinda annoyingly biased.
When Reynor wins he praises him like a god, when Solar wins he's just "it's ZvZ". Lol wtf dude, why just doesn't appreciate Solar for his play a bit.
oh yeah, thats old news. He is trying to carve himself an spot in the caster ecosystem by fanboying about any foreigner to ridiculous levels. Its working though.
On January 15 2022 23:56 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: Solar's play in the last few minutes there was absolutely sick.
I actually thought it was Reynor's play which was absolutely sick, making the game arguably even after being pretty far behind. Solar literally never built spores or tried to split up the corruptors to trap the mutas.
But Reynor ended up being caught with his army seperated and so lost the game. I think he would have actually had the stronger army if it was all together.
On January 15 2022 23:56 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: Solar's play in the last few minutes there was absolutely sick.
except the muta defense... but it was enough
At least Corruptors are best at dealing Overlords and killing hatcheries but not so at chasing muta. Maybe Solar should separate some of corruptors and surrounded the Muta when they came to attack the drones.
On January 15 2022 23:56 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: Solar's play in the last few minutes there was absolutely sick.
except the muta defense... but it was enough
At least Corruptors are best at dealing Overlords and killing hatcheries but not so at chasing muta. Maybe Solar should separate some of corruptors and surrounded the Muta when they came to attack the drones.
I think just putting a spore in each base would have spare him a lot of headache tbh, but Reynor movement on the mutmut was great. I feel like he slip on his macro though, there wasn't really any transition and the lurker came to late, altough that is partly due to Solar sharking with the roaches I assume.
It was a hard game to play in any case, good stuff from Solar.
On January 16 2022 00:46 Sent. wrote: I really don't get this blink dt style. Zest threw his lead away because of it.
Its good if you can bleed out the scan, but Zest screwed up so badly with it. Like he refuse to change his plan to match the actual situation, Cure was pretty much turtling, and Zest keep fighting into it non-stop.
On January 16 2022 00:46 Sent. wrote: I really don't get this blink dt style. Zest threw his lead away because of it.
Its good if you can bleed out the scan, but Zest screwed up so badly with it. Like he refuse to change his plan to match the actual situation, Cure was pretty much turtling, and Zest keep fighting into it non-stop.
yeah exactly, the strat relies on being able to pull the Terran apart on multiple fronts and do backstabs when they move out. Cure responded (correctly) by turtling hard so Zest, instead of changing tacks, just decided to turn it into one big frontal attack where he bled out his entire army and all his dts. which is not what's supposed to happen.
It was a good game from both sides, but Zest lack of heavy commitment on Disruptor after the Carriers are out was also a bit sad. Colossi isnt great against Marauder-Ghost heavy army until you get like 4 of them out, 2-3 Disruptor would zone the Bio out so much better.
Protoss extinct, Zerg infestation with the europeans underperforming, Maru reigning over Terran once again: the dream of (too) many, a nightmare for me. Cure's TvZ has been too awful for me to hope he can win this, TIME succeeding would be even better but it's even less likely...
On January 16 2022 01:37 Xain0n wrote: Protoss extinct, Zerg infestation with the europeans underperforming, Maru reigning over Terran once again: the dream of (too) many, a nightmare for me. Cure's TvZ has been too awful for me to hope he can win this, TIME succeeding would be even better but it's even less likely...
yeah not only is it just much less fun and less variety without the Pvx matchups in later stages of tournaments, it also makes the competition much more one-dimensional. the 1-2 best TvZ players plow through gauntlets of zergs until everything inevitably ends in tears and ZvZ.
On January 16 2022 01:37 Xain0n wrote: Protoss extinct, Zerg infestation with the europeans underperforming, Maru reigning over Terran once again: the dream of (too) many, a nightmare for me. Cure's TvZ has been too awful for me to hope he can win this, TIME succeeding would be even better but it's even less likely...
How dramatic. It's hilarious to see your persecution complex in this community as if every big caster besides maybe Artosis and 90% of more casual SC2 fans don't want EU domination over everything and Maru to lose to Heromarine.
Well, when Trap was winning all those tournaments, and GSL ST was a backyard for Protoss, nobody was really complaining and that was on the same patch. So my best guess is for Trap to get back his confidence and get out of his "slump". The next best hope for Protoss, imo, is actually herO with how impressive his return has been, other than his PvZ. MaxPax and Zest (until his military date) will always be a factor.
On January 16 2022 01:51 tigera6 wrote: Well, when Trap was winning all those tournaments, and GSL ST was a backyard for Protoss, nobody was really complaining and that was on the same patch. So my best guess is for Trap to get back his confidence and get out of his "slump". The next best hope for Protoss, imo, is actually herO with how impressive his return has been, other than his PvZ. MaxPax and Zest (until his military date) will always be a factor.
yeah I actually think the main Protoss hopes these days are the military returnees, herO and Classic. zest leaving is gonna be a huge hit tho, and I have never had any faith in trap.
On January 16 2022 01:37 Xain0n wrote: Protoss extinct, Zerg infestation with the europeans underperforming, Maru reigning over Terran once again: the dream of (too) many, a nightmare for me. Cure's TvZ has been too awful for me to hope he can win this, TIME succeeding would be even better but it's even less likely...
How dramatic. It's hilarious to see your persecution complex in this community as if every big caster besides maybe Artosis and 90% of more casual SC2 fans don't want EU domination over everything and Maru to lose to Heromarine.
I think you are missing the point. Which persecution complex? I am just saying I don't like the recent results, partly from an openly biased perspective(I much prefer european Zerg to korean ones and I like when there are other Terran players around performing as well as or better than Maru), partly from a perspective of overall balance(I like Protoss but having one race represented so few and struggling so hard is never healthy, I wouldn't like Terran or Zerg to be essentially extinct at the highest level the way Protoss has been in the last three months).
On January 16 2022 01:37 Xain0n wrote: Protoss extinct, Zerg infestation with the europeans underperforming, Maru reigning over Terran once again: the dream of (too) many, a nightmare for me. Cure's TvZ has been too awful for me to hope he can win this, TIME succeeding would be even better but it's even less likely...
How dramatic. It's hilarious to see your persecution complex in this community as if every big caster besides maybe Artosis and 90% of more casual SC2 fans don't want EU domination over everything and Maru to lose to Heromarine.
I think you are missing the point. Which persecution complex? I am just saying I don't like the recent results, partly from an openly biased perspective(I much prefer european Zerg to korean ones and I like when there are other Terran players around performing as well as or better than Maru), partly from a perspective of overall balance(I like Protoss but having one race represented so few and struggling so hard is never healthy, I wouldn't like Terran or Zerg to be essentially extinct at the highest level the way Protoss has been in the last three months).
he was clearly referring to your 'the dream of (too) many'
On January 16 2022 01:37 Xain0n wrote: Protoss extinct, Zerg infestation with the europeans underperforming, Maru reigning over Terran once again: the dream of (too) many, a nightmare for me. Cure's TvZ has been too awful for me to hope he can win this, TIME succeeding would be even better but it's even less likely...
How dramatic. It's hilarious to see your persecution complex in this community as if every big caster besides maybe Artosis and 90% of more casual SC2 fans don't want EU domination over everything and Maru to lose to Heromarine.
I think you are missing the point. Which persecution complex? I am just saying I don't like the recent results, partly from an openly biased perspective(I much prefer european Zerg to korean ones and I like when there are other Terran players around performing as well as or better than Maru), partly from a perspective of overall balance(I like Protoss but having one race represented so few and struggling so hard is never healthy, I wouldn't like Terran or Zerg to be essentially extinct at the highest level the way Protoss has been in the last three months).
"The dream of (too) many, a nightmare for me." Heavily implies you think Maru doesn't deserve his fans and that you think your views on EU underperformance being disappointing are some type of minority.
On January 16 2022 01:37 Xain0n wrote: Protoss extinct, Zerg infestation with the europeans underperforming, Maru reigning over Terran once again: the dream of (too) many, a nightmare for me. Cure's TvZ has been too awful for me to hope he can win this, TIME succeeding would be even better but it's even less likely...
How dramatic. It's hilarious to see your persecution complex in this community as if every big caster besides maybe Artosis and 90% of more casual SC2 fans don't want EU domination over everything and Maru to lose to Heromarine.
I think you are missing the point. Which persecution complex? I am just saying I don't like the recent results, partly from an openly biased perspective(I much prefer european Zerg to korean ones and I like when there are other Terran players around performing as well as or better than Maru), partly from a perspective of overall balance(I like Protoss but having one race represented so few and struggling so hard is never healthy, I wouldn't like Terran or Zerg to be essentially extinct at the highest level the way Protoss has been in the last three months).
"The dream of (too) many, a nightmare for me." Heavily implies you think Maru doesn't deserve his fans and that you think your views on EU underperformance being disappointing are some type of minority.
Also, the twitch chat poll prediction results of every Kor vs Eu matchups proved that they are not majority as it claimed to be.
On January 16 2022 01:37 Xain0n wrote: Protoss extinct, Zerg infestation with the europeans underperforming, Maru reigning over Terran once again: the dream of (too) many, a nightmare for me. Cure's TvZ has been too awful for me to hope he can win this, TIME succeeding would be even better but it's even less likely...
How dramatic. It's hilarious to see your persecution complex in this community as if every big caster besides maybe Artosis and 90% of more casual SC2 fans don't want EU domination over everything and Maru to lose to Heromarine.
I think you are missing the point. Which persecution complex? I am just saying I don't like the recent results, partly from an openly biased perspective(I much prefer european Zerg to korean ones and I like when there are other Terran players around performing as well as or better than Maru), partly from a perspective of overall balance(I like Protoss but having one race represented so few and struggling so hard is never healthy, I wouldn't like Terran or Zerg to be essentially extinct at the highest level the way Protoss has been in the last three months).
"The dream of (too) many, a nightmare for me." Heavily implies you think Maru doesn't deserve his fans and that you think your views on EU underperformance being disappointing are some type of minority.
Maru absolutely deserves his fans; Maru's fans may be a little too nasty for my tastes but that's just how I see things.
Conversely, I am sure that there are many people here who just want to see koreans dominate Sc2 at all costs; I prefer a more balanced approach, I usually root for foreigners but I think tournaments with reasonably even representation and, if possible, KR vs non KR finals are just the best. I wouldn't want to see an endgame scenario with all the koreans washed up, retired or in the army EU dominating, just as I hated the BW 2.0 scenario during HoTS's darkest days.
Feels like all Zergs have gotten so good at playing the high income, fast tempo style that makes it hard for the turtling Terrans get into a comfortable place.
On January 16 2022 01:37 Xain0n wrote: Protoss extinct, Zerg infestation with the europeans underperforming, Maru reigning over Terran once again: the dream of (too) many, a nightmare for me. Cure's TvZ has been too awful for me to hope he can win this, TIME succeeding would be even better but it's even less likely...
How dramatic. It's hilarious to see your persecution complex in this community as if every big caster besides maybe Artosis and 90% of more casual SC2 fans don't want EU domination over everything and Maru to lose to Heromarine.
I think you are missing the point. Which persecution complex? I am just saying I don't like the recent results, partly from an openly biased perspective(I much prefer european Zerg to korean ones and I like when there are other Terran players around performing as well as or better than Maru), partly from a perspective of overall balance(I like Protoss but having one race represented so few and struggling so hard is never healthy, I wouldn't like Terran or Zerg to be essentially extinct at the highest level the way Protoss has been in the last three months).
"The dream of (too) many, a nightmare for me." Heavily implies you think Maru doesn't deserve his fans and that you think your views on EU underperformance being disappointing are some type of minority.
Maru absolutely deserves his fans; Maru's fans may be a little too nasty for my tastes but that's just how I see things.
Conversely, I am sure that there are many people here who just want to see koreans dominate Sc2 at all costs; I prefer a more balanced approach, I usually root for foreigners but I think tournaments with reasonably even representation and, if possible, KR vs non KR finals are just the best. I wouldn't want to see an endgame scenario with all the koreans washed up, retired or in the army EU dominating, just as I hated the BW 2.0 scenario during HoTS's darkest days.
No offense but you come off very biased, I doubt you'd be bored or sad if it was purely EU dominated. I think if all the Koreans retired / went to military and the scene was EU dominateed, you wouldn't be expressing this sentiment as you are now.
On January 16 2022 01:37 Xain0n wrote: Protoss extinct, Zerg infestation with the europeans underperforming, Maru reigning over Terran once again: the dream of (too) many, a nightmare for me. Cure's TvZ has been too awful for me to hope he can win this, TIME succeeding would be even better but it's even less likely...
How dramatic. It's hilarious to see your persecution complex in this community as if every big caster besides maybe Artosis and 90% of more casual SC2 fans don't want EU domination over everything and Maru to lose to Heromarine.
I think you are missing the point. Which persecution complex? I am just saying I don't like the recent results, partly from an openly biased perspective(I much prefer european Zerg to korean ones and I like when there are other Terran players around performing as well as or better than Maru), partly from a perspective of overall balance(I like Protoss but having one race represented so few and struggling so hard is never healthy, I wouldn't like Terran or Zerg to be essentially extinct at the highest level the way Protoss has been in the last three months).
"The dream of (too) many, a nightmare for me." Heavily implies you think Maru doesn't deserve his fans and that you think your views on EU underperformance being disappointing are some type of minority.
Conversely, I am sure that there are many people here who just want to see koreans dominate Sc2 at all costs
no, that's just in your head, due to your persecution complex
On January 16 2022 01:37 Xain0n wrote: Protoss extinct, Zerg infestation with the europeans underperforming, Maru reigning over Terran once again: the dream of (too) many, a nightmare for me. Cure's TvZ has been too awful for me to hope he can win this, TIME succeeding would be even better but it's even less likely...
How dramatic. It's hilarious to see your persecution complex in this community as if every big caster besides maybe Artosis and 90% of more casual SC2 fans don't want EU domination over everything and Maru to lose to Heromarine.
I think you are missing the point. Which persecution complex? I am just saying I don't like the recent results, partly from an openly biased perspective(I much prefer european Zerg to korean ones and I like when there are other Terran players around performing as well as or better than Maru), partly from a perspective of overall balance(I like Protoss but having one race represented so few and struggling so hard is never healthy, I wouldn't like Terran or Zerg to be essentially extinct at the highest level the way Protoss has been in the last three months).
"The dream of (too) many, a nightmare for me." Heavily implies you think Maru doesn't deserve his fans and that you think your views on EU underperformance being disappointing are some type of minority.
Conversely, I am sure that there are many people here who just want to see koreans dominate Sc2 at all costs
no, that's just in your head, due to your persecution complex
On January 16 2022 01:37 Xain0n wrote: Protoss extinct, Zerg infestation with the europeans underperforming, Maru reigning over Terran once again: the dream of (too) many, a nightmare for me. Cure's TvZ has been too awful for me to hope he can win this, TIME succeeding would be even better but it's even less likely...
How dramatic. It's hilarious to see your persecution complex in this community as if every big caster besides maybe Artosis and 90% of more casual SC2 fans don't want EU domination over everything and Maru to lose to Heromarine.
I think you are missing the point. Which persecution complex? I am just saying I don't like the recent results, partly from an openly biased perspective(I much prefer european Zerg to korean ones and I like when there are other Terran players around performing as well as or better than Maru), partly from a perspective of overall balance(I like Protoss but having one race represented so few and struggling so hard is never healthy, I wouldn't like Terran or Zerg to be essentially extinct at the highest level the way Protoss has been in the last three months).
"The dream of (too) many, a nightmare for me." Heavily implies you think Maru doesn't deserve his fans and that you think your views on EU underperformance being disappointing are some type of minority.
Conversely, I am sure that there are many people here who just want to see koreans dominate Sc2 at all costs
no, that's just in your head, due to your persecution complex
Considering the salt and immature reactions at each foreigner victories I am not sure this is a persecution complex lol
On January 16 2022 01:37 Xain0n wrote: Protoss extinct, Zerg infestation with the europeans underperforming, Maru reigning over Terran once again: the dream of (too) many, a nightmare for me. Cure's TvZ has been too awful for me to hope he can win this, TIME succeeding would be even better but it's even less likely...
How dramatic. It's hilarious to see your persecution complex in this community as if every big caster besides maybe Artosis and 90% of more casual SC2 fans don't want EU domination over everything and Maru to lose to Heromarine.
I think you are missing the point. Which persecution complex? I am just saying I don't like the recent results, partly from an openly biased perspective(I much prefer european Zerg to korean ones and I like when there are other Terran players around performing as well as or better than Maru), partly from a perspective of overall balance(I like Protoss but having one race represented so few and struggling so hard is never healthy, I wouldn't like Terran or Zerg to be essentially extinct at the highest level the way Protoss has been in the last three months).
"The dream of (too) many, a nightmare for me." Heavily implies you think Maru doesn't deserve his fans and that you think your views on EU underperformance being disappointing are some type of minority.
Conversely, I am sure that there are many people here who just want to see koreans dominate Sc2 at all costs
no, that's just in your head, due to your persecution complex
Considering the salt and immature reactions at each foreigner victories I am not sure this is a persecution complex lol
Well I personally don't care which nationality the players have, it just so happens most of my favourite players are korean due to their long history of playing in the GSL or korean teamleagues. However sometimes I also cheer for foreigners like Scarlett, Heromarine or Special. Yeah when Serral loses I make snarky comments sometimes, but that's not because he's a foreigner but because he's the most overhyped player of all time imo
On January 16 2022 03:21 swarminfestor wrote: Is this the best career performance from TIME? It comes to when all the foreigner hopes are not there to outshine him.
TIME got two 4th place before,but Korean didn't participate for the two championships.
On January 16 2022 04:12 deacon.frost wrote: What is he talking about? How do you wall yourself when there's a stream of units over the ramp?
there weren't constantly units flowing in but yeah, Dark could have hold-positioned a few zerglings at the ramp to prevent the wall
At the time when he was supposed to wall he needed units to delay the push at the lower stage and supply depots won't do it because ravagers. When he was floating buildings it was already over. That was a BO loss because Maru didn't scouted the main.
Dark should just killed his swarm hosts to free up the supplies when his flying locust could no longer kill mech armies. He had tone of moneys but could not use them because of shost supplies.
On January 16 2022 04:50 Nakajin wrote: Is it just me or is Dark looking completely clueless as to how to play this?
I think he played his comp well, but he never had enough money or space to transition to something that could touch Maru's ultra-late-game ghost-mech-bc comp.
it's wild when the swarm host player is the one struggling with cost-efficiency
On January 16 2022 04:50 Nakajin wrote: Is it just me or is Dark looking completely clueless as to how to play this?
Yeah Solar and Serral are the zergs who know how to late game in all situations
in the last Serral - Maru series he was clueless too. and I wouldn't bet on Solar currently either, I think Maru has just reached a new level in this matchup
On January 16 2022 04:53 Shathe wrote: battlecruisers won this again, killing the morphing spire and an other one after that was the key
I don't think Dark would have lived to make an air transition anyway. His army was shit anyway and Maru's tech was already ahead before the spires died.
On January 16 2022 04:50 Nakajin wrote: Is it just me or is Dark looking completely clueless as to how to play this?
Actually Maru and Dark play a similar long Mech vs SHost game on ladder a couple months ago with similar army composition, and Maru worn Dark down in the end as well.
On January 16 2022 04:50 Nakajin wrote: Is it just me or is Dark looking completely clueless as to how to play this?
I don't recall any instance in the past few years of Dark being as completely lost in a ZvT as in this game. He had no clue and no plan.
It just got away from him once he got into the corruptor/no-corruptor trap. You need Corruptors to take care of BC's more easily, but then you have Corruptors
On January 16 2022 04:50 Nakajin wrote: Is it just me or is Dark looking completely clueless as to how to play this?
I don't recall any instance in the past few years of Dark being as completely lost in a ZvT as in this game. He had no clue and no plan.
It just got away from him once he got into the corruptor/no-corruptor trap. You need Corruptors to take care of BC's more easily, but then you have Corruptors
On January 16 2022 04:50 Nakajin wrote: Is it just me or is Dark looking completely clueless as to how to play this?
I don't recall any instance in the past few years of Dark being as completely lost in a ZvT as in this game. He had no clue and no plan.
It just got away from him once he got into the corruptor/no-corruptor trap. You need Corruptors to take care of BC's more easily, but then you have Corruptors
On January 16 2022 04:50 Nakajin wrote: Is it just me or is Dark looking completely clueless as to how to play this?
I don't recall any instance in the past few years of Dark being as completely lost in a ZvT as in this game. He had no clue and no plan.
It just got away from him once he got into the corruptor/no-corruptor trap. You need Corruptors to take care of BC's more easily, but then you have Corruptors
but then you morph them into BL?
And then Thors go pew pew. And then you have no corruptors nor broodlords
On January 16 2022 04:50 Nakajin wrote: Is it just me or is Dark looking completely clueless as to how to play this?
I don't recall any instance in the past few years of Dark being as completely lost in a ZvT as in this game. He had no clue and no plan.
It just got away from him once he got into the corruptor/no-corruptor trap. You need Corruptors to take care of BC's more easily, but then you have Corruptors
but then you morph them into BL?
And then Thors go pew pew. And then you have no corruptors nor broodlords
Hence solving the initial problem, I don't see what's wrong here
On January 16 2022 04:50 Nakajin wrote: Is it just me or is Dark looking completely clueless as to how to play this?
I don't recall any instance in the past few years of Dark being as completely lost in a ZvT as in this game. He had no clue and no plan.
It just got away from him once he got into the corruptor/no-corruptor trap. You need Corruptors to take care of BC's more easily, but then you have Corruptors
but then you morph them into BL?
And then Thors go pew pew. And then you have no corruptors nor broodlords
Hence solving the initial problem, I don't see what's wrong here
The issue is that, after all that trading, Zerg would probably be up a couple thousand resource loss compare to Terran. Then the process can repeat until Zerg went broke. Maru playing Mech is just goddamn insane because he almost always out-expand the Zerg, so he doesnt have to trade that well, but he would anyway because of the Terran army composition.
On January 16 2022 04:50 Nakajin wrote: Is it just me or is Dark looking completely clueless as to how to play this?
I don't recall any instance in the past few years of Dark being as completely lost in a ZvT as in this game. He had no clue and no plan.
It just got away from him once he got into the corruptor/no-corruptor trap. You need Corruptors to take care of BC's more easily, but then you have Corruptors
On January 16 2022 04:50 Nakajin wrote: Is it just me or is Dark looking completely clueless as to how to play this?
I don't recall any instance in the past few years of Dark being as completely lost in a ZvT as in this game. He had no clue and no plan.
It just got away from him once he got into the corruptor/no-corruptor trap. You need Corruptors to take care of BC's more easily, but then you have Corruptors
but then you morph them into BL?
And then Thors go pew pew. And then you have no corruptors nor broodlords
yeah you need infestors to go shush shush on the ghosts no?
On January 16 2022 04:50 Nakajin wrote: Is it just me or is Dark looking completely clueless as to how to play this?
I don't recall any instance in the past few years of Dark being as completely lost in a ZvT as in this game. He had no clue and no plan.
It just got away from him once he got into the corruptor/no-corruptor trap. You need Corruptors to take care of BC's more easily, but then you have Corruptors
but then you morph them into BL?
and then you have no Corruptors again
I though having corruptors was the problem
well if the terran doesn't fuck up he won't lose the BCs so you have to retain the Corruptors to deal with the BCs
Looking very much like a Maru vs Solar final, and we know how fun it is when those two match up. Cure has a solid chance though but Solar is very tough in ZvT.
Sadly I think this is where TIME's great run ends. I don't see him getting past Maru in TvT, but hey with this guy it's hard to really know.
On January 15 2022 16:01 Vindicare605 wrote: More like DRG is so stupidly underrated by Aligulac because Aligulac is so EU biased that when Serral lost to him twice it plummetted him down as though he lost to a couple no namers.
Just goes to remind everyone why Aligulac can't be taken seriously. Well unless you want to carry this ridiculous idea that Europeans are better than they are.
It's been repeated forever now, Aligulac is a stupid tool to compare between regions. IMO they just shoudl remove the global ranking and call it a day.
or maybe the community just should just treat their rankings with a grain of salt and not as the holy measurement of skill. I don't see anything wrong with it, it's a helpful tool if you know how to interpret the numbers
Psh like that's ever going to happen.
The people that actually like Aligulac, like it because it values the players they like so they keep pushing their stats as if to convince the rest of us that those players are better than they actually are.
Reddit was all high on MaxPax because his Aligulac rating was top 10 in the world recently and I got downvoted for saying it was a joke to assume that he was better than Solar because his Aligulac rating was higher.
Well we saw how that played out didn't we?
TIME being in the Ro4 of this tournament is only further making Aligulac look useless because TIME is chinese and Aligulac ALWAYS massively underrates Chinese players.
It's an old and tired argument yet for whatever reason despite how often Aligulac gets shown to be massively flawed and unreliable fans still cling to it because it makes the players they like look good.
On January 16 2022 04:50 Nakajin wrote: Is it just me or is Dark looking completely clueless as to how to play this?
I don't recall any instance in the past few years of Dark being as completely lost in a ZvT as in this game. He had no clue and no plan.
It just got away from him once he got into the corruptor/no-corruptor trap. You need Corruptors to take care of BC's more easily, but then you have Corruptors
but then you morph them into BL?
And then Thors go pew pew. And then you have no corruptors nor broodlords
yeah you need infestors to go shush shush on the ghosts no?
Well, I am no pro player and neither is Winter, but according to Winter the only way to beat Thors is to have Thors. So you need them infestors, that's right, but then you go and nicely ask the Thor squad to join the Zerg side.
Now for IEM （If we have Zest） T1：Rogue，Trap，Maru，Serral T2：Clem，Dark，Zest，Cure T3： Reynor，HeRoMaRinE，Solar，TIME T4：Scalett，Neeb，Bunny，Special T5：Dream，Maxpax，ShoWTimE，Zoun
On January 16 2022 15:22 tigera6 wrote: Imagine somehow we got Serral Clem and Reynor in the same group, lol. Is that possible?
Why stop there? Throw in Neeb and Maxpax. Have an all-star foreign cast (featuring TL's own top foreigner fanboy, Mister X). Viewership breaks records. Blizzard executives attracts a special VC fund that will invest in 3 new expansions and quarterly patches for the next 10 years. SC2 is saved. Everyone lives happily ever after.
EPT
ESL Pro Tour/2021/22/Masters/Last Chance
Rogue vs 
Zest vs 
TIME
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but congratulations HeroMarine, very nice series vs Reynor. His runbye style has been figured out
