EPTDHM Last Chance 2022 - Page 12
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On January 14 2022 02:21 Poopi wrote: Clem played TvZ at his usual level I think, Solar is just strong in these scenarios so cross server gonna be difficult. I am confident for him at Katowice  . Would be fun and spicy if MaxPax knocked out DarkTBF for some reason Clem never delivers in the international tournaments, so I expect disappointment. | ||
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Poopi
France12883 Posts
On January 14 2022 02:27 deacon.frost wrote: TBF for some reason Clem never delivers in the international tournaments, so I expect disappointment. There will be at least one frenchman cheering for him in the audience if katowice maintains spectators, that should help  | ||
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Moonerz
United States445 Posts
On January 14 2022 02:24 Nakajin wrote: Fun (?) fact, Clem is now under 50% vs korean zerg this ESL year (aka since last Kato). Interesting, just off reputation I never would have thought this to be possible. However cross server certainly plays a factor but isn't the whole story. Also it feels like both Reynor and Clem are kind of going through a similar slump. Reaching the top is tough but staying there is even harder | ||
Waxangel
United States33389 Posts
On January 14 2022 02:32 Moonerz wrote: Interesting, just off reputation I never would have thought this to be possible. However cross server certainly plays a factor but isn't the whole story. Also it feels like both Reynor and Clem are kind of going through a similar slump. Reaching the top is tough but staying there is even harder Clem felt virtually invincible for like 10-12 months in TvZ; that's really hard to achieve in any match-up. It's more a surprise that it happened at all, more so than the fact that it went away. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15961 Posts
On January 14 2022 02:33 Waxangel wrote: Clem felt virtually invincible for like 10-12 months in TvZ; that's really hard to achieve in any match-up. It's more a surprise that it happened at all, more so than the fact that it went away. Solar did well against him even in that period, beating him at last IEM Katowice and 3-0ed him in another tournament. I think his streak against Serral and Reynor was mainly due to them being stubborn vs him and dying in the same way. ofc he was and still is an excellent TvZ player | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On January 14 2022 02:40 Charoisaur wrote: Solar did well against him even in that period, beating him at last IEM Katowice and 3-0ed him in another tournament. I think his streak against Serral and Reynor was mainly due to them being stubborn vs him and dying in the same way. Yes, and in addition as soon as he started facing other top Korean zergs like Dark and Rogue he regularly lost. I think we need to revise the narrative he had invincible TvZ for a year, and rewrite it to that he just had Reynor + Serral's number for a year. Of course you could argue his TvZ streak just coincidentally ended right as he started regularly facing top korean zergs, but I don't think that's the explanation. And yes ofc agree he has always had (and still does have) very excellent TvZ | ||
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Evilmj
China103 Posts
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
On January 14 2022 02:21 swarminfestor wrote: Damn, Solar is playing like a mad man. Anyway, Maru seemed better control of killing the randomized nydus pop up in the Hardwire map compared to Clem in this matchup. For sure. When Maru and Clem are attacking, their pace is pretty comparable. But it feels like Maru also knows how to defend with that same pace and skill (and generally react a bit better to the game state), where as Clem seems to struggle when he's not on the opponent's front door. The aggressive KR ZvT styles really throw him off and play to his weaknesses. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15961 Posts
On January 14 2022 02:48 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: For sure. When Maru and Clem are attacking, their pace is pretty comparable. But it feels like Maru also knows how to defend with that same pace and skill (and generally react a bit better to the game state), where as Clem seems to struggle when he's not on the opponent's front door. The aggressive KR ZvT styles really throw him off and play to his weaknesses. yeah that's a good analysis | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15961 Posts
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Poopi
France12883 Posts
On January 14 2022 02:52 Charoisaur wrote: did I mention at one point I hate this PvZ meta? It is in a bad state. Will blizzard patch the game or everyone still there forgot about sc2 existence? | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
On January 14 2022 02:52 Charoisaur wrote: did I mention at one point I hate this PvZ meta? Probably, but it's always worth mentioning again Transfuse queens vs battery overcharge voids. If the gods watch SC2, they are weeping. | ||
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Moonerz
United States445 Posts
On January 14 2022 02:52 Charoisaur wrote: did I mention at one point I hate this PvZ meta? You mean to say you don't find shield battery and void ray spam vs mass queens exciting? Weird /s Edit: Makes me glad to play T so i don't ever have to deal with this | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
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Moonerz
United States445 Posts
On January 14 2022 02:54 Pandain wrote: I always felt like Dark's historic strengths against foreigners was that he would just come in with pretty wonky but also super-powerful timings that foreigners just fell against - but MaxPax probably has amongst the most solid PvZ/PvP defenses in the game and so he matches up well against Dark In general I think turtle for late game metas favor the foreigners because that's more the style they like to play where as generally the KR players are much more aggressive. | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On January 14 2022 02:57 Moonerz wrote: In general I think turtle for late game metas favor the foreigners because that's more the style they like to play where as generally the KR players are much more aggressive. To put it another way, foreigners are very one-dimensional whereas korean players actually have depth to their playstyle | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On January 14 2022 02:54 Pandain wrote: I always felt like Dark's historic strengths against foreigners was that he would just come in with pretty wonky but also super-powerful timings that foreigners just fell against - but MaxPax probably has amongst the most solid PvZ/PvP defenses in the game and so he matches up well against Dark He should bring back the shitty ravager build, it used to bring him unexplainable success | ||
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