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Durnuu
13322 Posts
On December 03 2021 02:07 Nakajin wrote: Zest slumping drama over, Reynor slumping new favorite drama: I mean what's up with ever since AOE4 came out he's losing to everyone? I would'nt be surprised if he announced a switch very soon. /s just in case Reynor doing a Lilbow? | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7021 Posts
Sounds like a cool dance move | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
Reynor hasn't even touched AoE4, he's getting Diamond in League of Legends. He went on holidays, moved to London and evidently he's not as focused as he was earlier this year; I expect him to see him competitive at Katowice but we have seen worse slumps. | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
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tigera6
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Die4Ever
United States17721 Posts
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
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Harris1st
Germany7021 Posts
Was expecting this to be a lot closer | ||
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Calliope
297 Posts
On December 06 2021 21:59 swarminfestor wrote: Dark just extended Clem's defeat to him by 8-0 today. So much from foreigner crusher and devastating to the player claimed to be no.1 in TvZ half a year ago. Half a year ago he had a positive record against Serral. And as a foreigner he is the only terran to ever have been able to perform at this level, in a matchup that pretty much only Maru can play. Fans have short memory and are quick to judge. Any majorly competitive foreign performances at the international level have always been zerg, be it stephano, scarlet, reynor or serral. | ||
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darklycid
3517 Posts
On December 06 2021 22:09 Calliope wrote: Half a year ago he had a positive record against Serral. And as a foreigner he is the only terran to ever have been able to perform at this level, in a matchup that pretty much only Maru can play. Fans have short memory and are quick to judge. Any majorly competitive foreign performances at the international level have always been zerg, be it stephano, scarlet, reynor or serral. Neeb. | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
On December 06 2021 22:09 Calliope wrote: Half a year ago he had a positive record against Serral. And as a foreigner he is the only terran to ever have been able to perform at this level, in a matchup that pretty much only Maru can play. Fans have short memory and are quick to judge. Any majorly competitive foreign performances at the international level have always been zerg, be it stephano, scarlet, reynor or serral. Yeah, I felt like Clem just need to play more competitive games with Serral. By crushing Serral several times, it will build him confidence in that matchup. Or, he should just sit together with top tier Zerg player brainstorming how to beat each other in many ways other than countering lings banes hydra or lings hydra lurker with widow mines and rines turtling. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
 I love how the post writes about short memory while ignoring Neeb. And the even older successful players like HuK, NaNiwa or ThorZaIN I can understand forgetting Huk and Thorzain, but Naniwa? He got twice into the Code S RO8, got some nice silvers or top4 finishes. If we're talking about a good international performance it seems like a good results consideirng the competition. | ||
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Calliope
297 Posts
On December 06 2021 22:39 deacon.frost wrote: I love how the post writes about short memory while ignoring Neeb. And the even older successful players like HuK, NaNiwa or ThorZaIN I can understand forgetting Huk and Thorzain, but Naniwa? He got twice into the Code S RO8, got some nice silvers or top4 finishes. If we're talking about a good international performance it seems like a good results consideirng the competition.If we mock premature confidence, then nothing deserves mockery as much as HuK's top 3 control. But how are all these foreigners that went to Korea and had the occasional deeper GSL run (Jinro, Idra, Huk etc) for a short period meaningful to mention as consistent top contenders compared to the four zerg players I mentioned? Guys like Polt were probably more consistent and I don't really think that anyone would mention him when listing major SC2 achievers. I'd agree that Naniwa really gave us hope back in the day, though, he was really something at his prime. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On December 06 2021 22:47 Calliope wrote: If we mock premature confidence, then nothing deserves mockery as much as HuK's top 3 control. But how are all these foreigners that went to Korea and had the occasional deeper GSL run (Jinro, Idra, Huk etc) for a short period meaningful to mention as consistent top contenders compared to the four zerg players I mentioned? Guys like Polt were probably more consistent and I don't really think that anyone would mention him when listing major SC2 achievers. I'd agree that Naniwa really gave us hope back in the day, though, he was really something at his prime. HuK was one of the best Protoss during the early year, sure, overhyped, but he had some good results. ThorZaIN as well(he played for a short time though) and FFS NaNiwa got some good results in 2013. Like sure, they never had the success level of Stephano, but they were capable of beating Koreans, especially NaNiwa. Edit> We can discuss how good Koreans were back there, but he got some nice names - HyuN, Dear, JD. BTW NaNiwa beat Innovation during Season 2 finals in the group stages So it wasn't just some lucky foreigner, he was good. Not the best, but good enough. Edit> the original quote was Any majorly competitive foreign performances at the international level have always been zerg, be it stephano, scarlet, reynor or serral. These players I named were competitive foreigners at their prime and they weren't just one tournament wonder. Sure, it wasn't for years, in case of HuK and ThorZaIN it was for a year, but they were majorly competitive performing while being foreigners. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
Earlier in the year Clem was playing better in TvT as well and righftully looked like the best player in the world in TvZ; just to make an example, Clem's TvZ streak against Reynor was 11-0, he's 1-3 in the last two months and Reynor, too, has performing quite poorly of recent. Judging performance retroactively is quite silly, in any of case it's crystal clear that Clem has recently been struggling in TvZ even on the EU server where he looked unbeatable earlier in the year, go figure what happens when he plays cross server where he has never relatively shined. Clem evidently doesn't like the new maps but it seems to me that his confidence is the main issue, he looked disheartened after a single loss in the series too often. | ||
Poopi
France12906 Posts
On December 06 2021 21:59 swarminfestor wrote: Dark just extended Clem's defeat to him by 8-0 today. So much from foreigner crusher and devastating to the player claimed to be no.1 in TvZ half a year ago. It’s the new map pool, that is kinda expected tbh. Hopefully Maru does some magic at Katowice with clever 2rax spots! | ||
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Calliope
297 Posts
My point is that indiscriminate mockery of slumping players who performed well in retrospect doesn't take into account the racial aspect. His current results are disappointing, but actual consistency in striking fear in Koreans is something only done by zerg. | ||
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tigera6
3445 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On December 06 2021 23:18 Calliope wrote: I don't disagree with you deacon.frost, but I think we're talking about different scales of achievements. I never questioned that there are good foreigners who have famously beaten Koreans - we all went crazy when Sjow beat Life but we wouldn't really call Sjow a legend today. My point is that indiscriminate mockery of slumping players who performed well in retrospect doesn't take into account the racial aspect. His current results are disappointing, but actual consistency in striking fear in Koreans is something only done by zerg. Ah, then I missed your point by miles XD On December 06 2021 23:09 Poopi wrote: It’s the new map pool, that is kinda expected tbh. Hopefully Maru does some magic at Katowice with clever 2rax spots! I wouldn't put my hopes up. Maru's success is mostly based in Korea and considering the past 2 years the jetlag may be even bigger issue than before. And that's if we're being positive about the onsite event  | ||
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Lokol18
51 Posts
And it's kinda ridiculous how close maru has been to winning not one, not two, but three iems. Lost one to life in the grandfinals, lost another to rogue in the ro4, and again lost one to reynor in the ro4. In every single series he was one game away from beating his opponents, and every single one of those opponents was the winner of that particular iem | ||
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