On December 07 2021 05:05 Lokol18 wrote: I'm on mobile so I can't really copy and paste in a nice way, but to address deacon's last point, if you can't put your hopes in maru you can't put it in any terran. The only terran winning anything even close to a premier international event is maru.
And it's kinda ridiculous how close maru has been to winning not one, not two, but three iems. Lost one to life in the grandfinals, lost another to rogue in the ro4, and again lost one to reynor in the ro4. In every single series he was one game away from beating his opponents, and every single one of those opponents was the winner of that particular iem
Well, yeah. That's the point i'm trying to make in all the Protoss is dead threads but they somehow see Maru winning so Terran is fine.
And while I would love Maru to win, I see Zerg winning it.
Even if Maru comes in a great form he would have to play so many Zergs that by the end all his builds and tricks will be gone.
On December 07 2021 05:05 Lokol18 wrote: I'm on mobile so I can't really copy and paste in a nice way, but to address deacon's last point, if you can't put your hopes in maru you can't put it in any terran. The only terran winning anything even close to a premier international event is maru.
And it's kinda ridiculous how close maru has been to winning not one, not two, but three iems. Lost one to life in the grandfinals, lost another to rogue in the ro4, and again lost one to reynor in the ro4. In every single series he was one game away from beating his opponents, and every single one of those opponents was the winner of that particular iem
Well, yeah. That's the point i'm trying to make in all the Protoss is dead threads but they somehow see Maru winning so Terran is fine.
And while I would love Maru to win, I see Zerg winning it.
Even if Maru comes in a great form he would have to play so many Zergs that by the end all his builds and tricks will be gone.
Yeah, Zerg is heavily favored to win any big tournament at this point. Balance aside, the way military service has worked out there are four Zerg title contenders (maybe three if Reynor continues to slump, but I expect him to get back in shape for Katowice), one Protoss title contender (Zest has made a lot of deep runs but it's hard to take his winning chances seriously since he hasn't won anything in a while), and one Terran contender (Cure's TvZ isn't good enough to win international competitions imo.)
Even if balance were perfect (I think matchups are generally even except for PvZ), the army claiming more Terran/Protoss players would lead to Zerg dominance.
On December 07 2021 05:05 Lokol18 wrote: I'm on mobile so I can't really copy and paste in a nice way, but to address deacon's last point, if you can't put your hopes in maru you can't put it in any terran. The only terran winning anything even close to a premier international event is maru.
And it's kinda ridiculous how close maru has been to winning not one, not two, but three iems. Lost one to life in the grandfinals, lost another to rogue in the ro4, and again lost one to reynor in the ro4. In every single series he was one game away from beating his opponents, and every single one of those opponents was the winner of that particular iem
Well, yeah. That's the point i'm trying to make in all the Protoss is dead threads but they somehow see Maru winning so Terran is fine.
And while I would love Maru to win, I see Zerg winning it.
Even if Maru comes in a great form he would have to play so many Zergs that by the end all his builds and tricks will be gone.
Yeah, Zerg is heavily favored to win any big tournament at this point. Balance aside, the way military service has worked out there are four Zerg title contenders (maybe three if Reynor continues to slump, but I expect him to get back in shape for Katowice), one Protoss title contender (Zest has made a lot of deep runs but it's hard to take his winning chances seriously since he hasn't won anything in a while), and one Terran contender (Cure's TvZ isn't good enough to win international competitions imo.)
Even if balance were perfect (I think matchups are generally even except for PvZ), the army claiming more Terran/Protoss players would lead to Zerg dominance.
Trap already mentioned that he's in danger of not going, but the chances of going are higher. So it may heppen that IEM will be without any top Protoss and that would be so bad...
Classics level of PvZ is nowhere near good enough to challenge Serral. Actually there is no protoss and the moment to challenge Serral in the skytoss macro game, dont even think there is a point in anyone trying except of Trap when hes feeling it.
Serral could probably easilly beat Classic with all kind of intricate builds or high pace agressive play, which somehow makes it even more depressing to just have a bunch of queen walks
On December 07 2021 20:47 Nakajin wrote: Serral could probably easilly beat Classic with all kind of intricate build or high pace agressive play, which somehow makes it even more depressing to just have a bunch of queen walks
Queen walk out of creeps should be nerfed as I suggested before. Let the Zerg player work out by carrying queens with droplords instead of sending queen for walking out of creeps.
The last game wasnt an issue. Classic could have scouted the low drone count, the move out, even the transition to banes after, he had the tools to quite easily win that game as it was a massive risk from Serral who got himself into a very terrible spot eco wise.
On December 07 2021 21:05 MarianoSC2 wrote: The last game wasnt an issue. Classic could have scouted the low drone count, the move out, even the transition to banes after, he had the tools to quite easily win that game as it was a massive risk from Serral who got himself into a very terrible spot eco wise.
Yes game 3 was the definitely the most depressing of that series. Classic actually had a chance there and was even ahead at some point.
Lol the Zest bank and some if his engagements never cease to amaze. Did his best to throw the game after a good defense at the start. He has nothing against the broods :D
The inability of Protoss players never to pre split armies and do decent army movement in a fight is astonishing. Zest desparately wanted to throw this but Rag needed 5 tries to actually catch the ball
I dont think Zest can beat Serral at this point looking at his first game against Ragnarok today.
Blizzard, please do something, It is very hard to see queen walk strat again for each game in PvZ. That is four games in row and just not interesting to watch.
On December 07 2021 21:38 swarminfestor wrote: I dont think Zest can beat Serral at this point looking at his first game against Ragnarok today.
Blizzard, please do something, It is very hard to see queen walk strat again for each game in PvZ. That is four games in row and just not interesting to watch.
Please, for the love of god, do NOT take this game 1 as some sort of example that Zerg/ Zerg tactics is op....
On December 07 2021 21:38 swarminfestor wrote: I dont think Zest can beat Serral at this point looking at his first game against Ragnarok today.
Blizzard, please do something, It is very hard to see queen walk strat again for each game in PvZ. That is four games in row and just not interesting to watch.
Please, for the love of god, do NOT take this game 1 as some sort of example that Zerg/ Zerg tactics is op....
We have fifth games today in row with the similar strategy. Nothing good to watch at least in audience perspective.
There is a difference between "this is boring to watch" and "this strat is unstoppable"
Like you mentioned, herO was 2 years away and insta solves the problem. At this point I'm inclined to think Protoss players are just bad right now instead of Zerg OP
On December 07 2021 21:38 swarminfestor wrote: I dont think Zest can beat Serral at this point looking at his first game against Ragnarok today.
Blizzard, please do something, It is very hard to see queen walk strat again for each game in PvZ. That is four games in row and just not interesting to watch.
Please, for the love of god, do NOT take this game 1 as some sort of example that Zerg/ Zerg tactics is op....
We have fifth games today in row with the similar strategy. Nothing good to watch at least in audience perspective.
Maybe Zergs would not use it as much to get quick easy wins if the Toss players defended it better. The strategy is dumb and boring for sure, but its similar to Void Ray proxy battery in PvT. On Pro level we rarely see this strat anymore because its very easily defendable with the right tools and scouting
On December 07 2021 22:00 Harris1st wrote: There is a difference between "this is boring to watch" and "this strat is unstoppable"
Like you mentioned, herO was 2 years away and insta solves the problem. At this point I'm inclined to think Protoss players are just bad right now instead of Zerg OP
Exactly. Anyway Zest should still beat Ragnarok despite throwing that game 1, he just looks better overall
On December 07 2021 22:00 Harris1st wrote: There is a difference between "this is boring to watch" and "this strat is unstoppable"
Like you mentioned, herO was 2 years away and insta solves the problem. At this point I'm inclined to think Protoss players are just bad right now instead of Zerg OP
Meh, Zerg will probably just adapt the queen walk and still wreck / come out ahead. Zest also beat queen walks with Void rays + mass batteries in some games a few months ago, doesn't mean Zergs didn't win any queen walks after (as we have seen countless times). It's only 2 games that were won with mass oracles so far (yes, 2 out of 2).
EPT
