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JoeCool
Germany2517 Posts
On March 14 2021 01:02 Xain0n wrote: It's how the best foreigners used to play and lose against koreans back in the days! Are you foreseeing a 2-2 then? Maybe but Stats is too solid. | ||
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JoeCool
Germany2517 Posts
Edit: WP | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
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Luolis
Finland7098 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8988 Posts
It has been a great series though | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On March 14 2021 01:22 Nakajin wrote: Stats with the savage pause Stats with the savage ping | ||
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stilt
France2746 Posts
That said I am happily surprised he handled this well some chaotic situations and this is a very good tournament for him. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On March 14 2021 02:07 The_Red_Viper wrote: TvZ is such a snoozefest these days You can't split and target banelings on two screens at once? Too bad, TvZ won't allow you to express any other quality you might have. | ||
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Pandain
United States12985 Posts
On March 14 2021 02:07 The_Red_Viper wrote: TvZ is such a snoozefest these days We've had tons of insanely close zvts recently (maru reynor, serral Clem, reynor cure, etc.) Don't be surprised when Serral Heromarine is a clampdown | ||
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Obamarauder
697 Posts
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Starcloud
137 Posts
On March 14 2021 02:07 The_Red_Viper wrote: TvZ is such a snoozefest these days Its more to do about the skill difference between players. Serral seems to be in GodMode again, at least against terrans. But for example Clem can give him a run for his money when he is playing well. Gabe is just not at that level. Hopefully GOAT gets his 6th(!!!!) consecutive trophy. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On March 14 2021 02:14 nojok wrote: You can't split and target banelings on two screens at once? Too bad, TvZ won't allow you to express any other quality you might have. Without whining too much, i just feel like there are barely any interesting or meaningful interactions throughout the game, everything seems so streamlined and played out, nothing which excites me at all. Partly it's a me thing for sure, watching sc2 for such a long time, but idk if that's all there is to it. I'm genuinely enjoying the mirrors more than tvz from a spectator pov, which is kinda crazy. On March 14 2021 02:16 Starcloud wrote: Its more to do about the skill difference between players. Serral seems to be in GodMode again, at least against terrans. But for example Clem can give him a run for his money when he is playing well. Gabe is just not at that level. Hopefully GOAT gets his 6th(!!!!) consecutive trophy. Oh yeah serral ofc is just way better than heromarine, this isn't really supposed to be a criticism on balance, just the enjoyment i get out of tvz is rather slim, even the closer games are imo quite boring and uninspiring to watch. | ||
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JJH777
United States4378 Posts
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On March 14 2021 02:18 The_Red_Viper wrote: Without whining too much, i just feel like there are barely any interesting or meaningful interactions throughout the game, everything seems so streamlined and played out, nothing which excites me at all. Partly it's a me thing for sure, watching sc2 for such a long time, but idk if that's all there is to it. I'm genuinely enjoying the mirrors more than tvz from a spectator pov, which is kinda crazy. Oh yeah serral ofc is just way better than heromarine, this isn't really supposed to be a criticism on balance, just the enjoyment i get out of tvz is rather slim, even the closer games are imo quite boring and uninspiring to watch. Interactions are definitely meaningful but yeah, it looks more and more like a mechanical test. Maru is very unique though, I'm not sure why no other terrans test his style. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8988 Posts
On March 14 2021 02:19 JJH777 wrote: TvZ seems relatively balanced overall but the top Zergs definitely have way higher ZvT winrates than the top Terrans do in TvZ. It seems like Maru/TY/Clem/Byun still regularly lose to mid tier Zergs but Serral/Dark/Reynor and Rogue when he's in form basically never lose ZvT except in close series to the top 4 Terrans. That's actually just a problem with Zergs in general. It's so much easier to be consistent. It's pretty much always been the case in SC2 that the race with the most incentive to be aggressive in match up become worst off in the long run, especially for non top player. (HOTS TvP, Swarm host PvZ, turtle mech) I do think ultra late game tvz is not as bad as it once was and I think Terran player will gain back some ground. (well they already have). | ||
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JoeCool
Germany2517 Posts
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Athenau
569 Posts
On March 14 2021 02:19 JJH777 wrote: TvZ seems relatively balanced overall but the top Zergs definitely have way higher ZvT winrates than the top Terrans do in TvZ. It seems like Maru/TY/Clem/Byun still regularly lose to mid tier Zergs but Serral/Dark/Reynor and Rogue when he's in form basically never lose ZvT except in close series to the top 4 Terrans. That's actually just a problem with Zergs in general. It's so much easier to be consistent. I mean, it's not obvious that TvZ is balanced overall either. For the last two periods, the overall winrate was 45.7%. http://aligulac.com/periods/288/?sort=&race=ptzrs&nats=all http://aligulac.com/periods/287/?sort=&race=ptzrs&nats=all For the month of February, TvZ was 46.62% and over the last year it has been consistently even or Zerg favored. http://aligulac.com/misc/balance | ||
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stilt
France2746 Posts
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Husyelt
United States823 Posts
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