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On March 15 2021 07:28 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2021 07:24 stilt wrote:On March 15 2021 07:18 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On March 15 2021 07:15 stilt wrote:
Serral is going to be the new kong if he keeps playing like he did in his two last finals. The guy doesn't win tournaments for four months and everybody thinks he's washed up. Wut ? Going into the final isn't implying he is washed up. The fact is he got destroyed pretty hard the last two times he managed to get in. Yes, such a Kong Serral is with a 13-8 record in Premier finals and a 15-4 record in Major finals. He wouldn't become a Kong even if he'd lose every single final he'll reach.
Despite his kespa cup win which is acknowldge as a premier, soO was still considered a kong, JD was too on sc2, apparently, you can become one.
Anyway, even if you disagree, that wasn't really my point which is : he played terribly his last two finals despite dominating performances in the early stage and if it becomes a trend he won't win much.
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On March 15 2021 07:03 Waxangel wrote:What an era of close competition 
That's what washed up pros playing on ping gets you. Btw Serral isn't playing at 50% of what he can do, he crumbles into a tier 3 Zerg whenever stakes get high(or even moderately high like this tournament.) He is just like 2014 soO right now, but he doesn't have 7 years to fix it.
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On March 15 2021 07:46 stilt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2021 07:28 Xain0n wrote:On March 15 2021 07:24 stilt wrote:On March 15 2021 07:18 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On March 15 2021 07:15 stilt wrote:
Serral is going to be the new kong if he keeps playing like he did in his two last finals. The guy doesn't win tournaments for four months and everybody thinks he's washed up. Wut ? Going into the final isn't implying he is washed up. The fact is he got destroyed pretty hard the last two times he managed to get in. Yes, such a Kong Serral is with a 13-8 record in Premier finals and a 15-4 record in Major finals. He wouldn't become a Kong even if he'd lose every single final he'll reach. Despite his kespa cup win which is acknowldge as a premier, soO was still considered a kong, JD was too on sc2, apparently, you can become one. Anyway, even if you disagree, that wasn't really my point which is : he played terribly his last two finals despite dominating performances in the early stage and if it becomes a trend he won't win much.
As WombaT points out, performing amazingly for years while winning next to nothing(a Kong like soO) is a totally different thing than starting to lose in finals after having won dozen of titles already.
I think it would be premature to conclude that Serral has a problem with finals now, he just lost the last two.
People are generally hypercritical towards Serral.
Edit: We are forgetting Serral's loss against Trap at Last Chance; the finals he lost are indeed three but the kind of performance Serral delivered was very different. I still don't think he has now a problem with actually winning tournaments.
On March 15 2021 07:47 Morbidius wrote:That's what washed up pros playing on ping gets you. Btw Serral isn't playing at 50% of what he can do, he crumbles into a tier 3 Zerg whenever stakes get high(or even moderately high like this tournament.) He is just like 2014 soO right now, but he doesn't have 7 years to fix it.
On the other hand, Serral is the most decorated player in the history of Sc2; I guess it makes up for 6 years of career.
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On March 15 2021 08:37 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2021 07:46 stilt wrote:On March 15 2021 07:28 Xain0n wrote:On March 15 2021 07:24 stilt wrote:On March 15 2021 07:18 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On March 15 2021 07:15 stilt wrote:
Serral is going to be the new kong if he keeps playing like he did in his two last finals. The guy doesn't win tournaments for four months and everybody thinks he's washed up. Wut ? Going into the final isn't implying he is washed up. The fact is he got destroyed pretty hard the last two times he managed to get in. Yes, such a Kong Serral is with a 13-8 record in Premier finals and a 15-4 record in Major finals. He wouldn't become a Kong even if he'd lose every single final he'll reach. Despite his kespa cup win which is acknowldge as a premier, soO was still considered a kong, JD was too on sc2, apparently, you can become one. Anyway, even if you disagree, that wasn't really my point which is : he played terribly his last two finals despite dominating performances in the early stage and if it becomes a trend he won't win much. As WombaT points out, performing amazingly for years while winning next to nothing(a Kong like soO) is a totally different thing than starting to lose in finals after having won dozen of titles already. I think it would be premature to conclude that Serral has a problem with finals now, he just lost the last two. People are generally hypercritical towards Serral.
He definitely is starting a trend of dropping big series, while he still was probably the overall best player, Serral has only won a single event in the last 8 months, aka 1 out of 11 tournament. He still is the favorite in every events he enter, but he can't seem to take back the clutchness he was so known for, maybe when offline event come back.
He's obviously no Kong off course.
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Too easy for Mr Stats. It felt like the series was over before he had the chance to showcase his full array of skills. As for Serral, he honestly looked out of sorts
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On March 15 2021 10:02 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2021 08:37 Xain0n wrote:On March 15 2021 07:46 stilt wrote:On March 15 2021 07:28 Xain0n wrote:On March 15 2021 07:24 stilt wrote:On March 15 2021 07:18 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On March 15 2021 07:15 stilt wrote:
Serral is going to be the new kong if he keeps playing like he did in his two last finals. The guy doesn't win tournaments for four months and everybody thinks he's washed up. Wut ? Going into the final isn't implying he is washed up. The fact is he got destroyed pretty hard the last two times he managed to get in. Yes, such a Kong Serral is with a 13-8 record in Premier finals and a 15-4 record in Major finals. He wouldn't become a Kong even if he'd lose every single final he'll reach. Despite his kespa cup win which is acknowldge as a premier, soO was still considered a kong, JD was too on sc2, apparently, you can become one. Anyway, even if you disagree, that wasn't really my point which is : he played terribly his last two finals despite dominating performances in the early stage and if it becomes a trend he won't win much. As WombaT points out, performing amazingly for years while winning next to nothing(a Kong like soO) is a totally different thing than starting to lose in finals after having won dozen of titles already. I think it would be premature to conclude that Serral has a problem with finals now, he just lost the last two. People are generally hypercritical towards Serral. He definitely is starting a trend of dropping big series, while he still was probably the overall best player, Serral has only won a single event in the last 8 months, aka 1 out of 11 tournament. He still is the favorite in every events he enter, but he can't seem to take back the clutchness he was so known for, maybe when offline event come back. He's obviously no Kong off course.
Serral's clutchness died with his invulnerability back in 2019 and never came back, he still won tournaments because he was the best player around even if not untouchable anymore.
During this first year of ESL, Serral has lost his superiority as well; he has regularly been one of the very top players with a weakness in ZvZ, a lack of consistency(only if compared to his standards) and a pretty low conversion rate of titles when it comes to finals.
Serral might still be the relative favorite to win every tournament he enters but with a lead so minimal on his contenders that it's not so surprising that he hasn't won many titles
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Northern Ireland26224 Posts
On March 15 2021 10:02 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2021 08:37 Xain0n wrote:On March 15 2021 07:46 stilt wrote:On March 15 2021 07:28 Xain0n wrote:On March 15 2021 07:24 stilt wrote:On March 15 2021 07:18 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On March 15 2021 07:15 stilt wrote:
Serral is going to be the new kong if he keeps playing like he did in his two last finals. The guy doesn't win tournaments for four months and everybody thinks he's washed up. Wut ? Going into the final isn't implying he is washed up. The fact is he got destroyed pretty hard the last two times he managed to get in. Yes, such a Kong Serral is with a 13-8 record in Premier finals and a 15-4 record in Major finals. He wouldn't become a Kong even if he'd lose every single final he'll reach. Despite his kespa cup win which is acknowldge as a premier, soO was still considered a kong, JD was too on sc2, apparently, you can become one. Anyway, even if you disagree, that wasn't really my point which is : he played terribly his last two finals despite dominating performances in the early stage and if it becomes a trend he won't win much. As WombaT points out, performing amazingly for years while winning next to nothing(a Kong like soO) is a totally different thing than starting to lose in finals after having won dozen of titles already. I think it would be premature to conclude that Serral has a problem with finals now, he just lost the last two. People are generally hypercritical towards Serral. He definitely is starting a trend of dropping big series, while he still was probably the overall best player, Serral has only won a single event in the last 8 months, aka 1 out of 11 tournament. He still is the favorite in every events he enter, but he can't seem to take back the clutchness he was so known for, maybe when offline event come back. He's obviously no Kong off course.
For sure, rather counter-intuitively perhaps with time Serral not bringing home the bacon with such regularity will highlight quite home remarkable his relentless consistency really was.
SC2 is just so volatile that unless you’re leagues above the competition (Special in LA I suppose) luck is what’s going to separate a consistent top 4 player who wins the odd time from the bloke winning all the time.
He did look rather lost against Stats today, for sure. One game he made a bad call in thinking he could bust him, the other two Stats just posed questions Serral had no answer to.
I’m sure he could come up with them, I haven’t seen a player transition so smoothly into Skytoss without leaving obvious windows for busting and exploitation as Stats showed today. Very well played for sure. I say obvious insofar as what Serral could see vs what we could.
Really good army movement and posturing, backstabs where possible and the tech transitions flowed really nicely too. Full credit to the Shield of Aiur in what he brought. PvZ is never a beautiful thing, it elicits more emotions of admiration for technical proficiency and Stats sure got that from me!
Shades of Stats taking Serral out in Assembly (I think) with a really refined oracle-centric style, took out Serral that time but with more time to come up with solutions and the meta fluctuating Serral wasn’t Stats’ whipping boy for long.
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So did Stats break Wombats law? xD
Smashing two top Zergs right after each other
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On March 15 2021 18:38 Harris1st wrote:
So did Stats break Wombats law? xD
Smashing two top Zergs right after each other
Noooo my one claim to fame. If anyone should discredit me I suppose I’d like it to be Stats though.
Perhaps I’ll have to add caveat #8 which is that it must be in premiers haha
It very much depends on Protoss having, or having figured out a reliable lategame style or two or not. If they do have that Wombat’s Law shouldn’t be a thing, applying as it does to the scenarios of a Protoss running out of tight builds to throw out, or the new shiny build they bring to a tournament being figured out when they have to show it too much.
Wombat’s Law not applying will of course be of great personal devastation, but it would be a sign of a healthier game too.
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