EPT[LR] SAHSC 3 [Impromptu LR thread]
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Harris1st
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On March 12 2021 00:02 stilt wrote: Soul vs Serral game 1 was weird, I like soul but having 2-2 bio at 30 minutes was bad, he had a decent late game set up but forgot the most important ups. I think at this point Soul has given up trying against Serral. Cure vs Lambo is good. If you hide the names you would think it's Maru vs Reynor all over again | ||
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Harris1st
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On March 12 2021 00:17 geokilla wrote: What is with these Twitch ads? In the TL embedded viewer? Yeah you need to go on twitch these days because of this  | ||
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Andi_Goldberger
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On March 12 2021 02:12 Harris1st wrote: This Win98 theme (or Win95? Not sure) is definitely better than flying space desks... I love it, such a good idea | ||
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Andi_Goldberger
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wow legendary hold wtf | ||
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NarutO
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On March 12 2021 03:40 Gina wrote: Watching on mute unfortunately, so are the games live or a replay cast? its replays because we wanted to at least have the Koreans not play 4 nights in a row | ||
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Elentos
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At least they're on top of the other ones  | ||
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Gina
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 Naruto thanks for the reply - and for thinking of the players! | ||
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Husyelt
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On March 12 2021 04:04 Starcloud wrote: Dont know about the games, but Coco + Rotti duo is really sweet to listen to. TL-net- report about the first date incoming ? ;p That was a super fun cast, very reminiscent of in person HSC. Also Inno no show? No! | ||
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darklycid
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Obamarauder
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darklycid
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On March 12 2021 05:25 Obamarauder wrote: maxpax advances first cuz inno didnt show up srsly Nah don't forget he also beat solar labeit it looked like solar played kinda poorly (solar being inconsitent withg his lvl who would have thought ) | ||
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deacon.frost
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On March 12 2021 05:27 darklycid wrote: Nah don't forget he also beat solar labeit it looked like solar played kinda poorly (solar being inconsitent withg his lvl who would have thought )Isn't 5:40 AM at Korea right now? | ||
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darklycid
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Games are from replays though. | ||
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JoeCool
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deacon.frost
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I'm not watching so how should I know  | ||
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mierin
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dbRic1203
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All groups were played at 10pm Korean time to my knowledge | ||
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NarutO
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On March 12 2021 06:21 dbRic1203 wrote: All groups were played at 10pm Korean time to my knowledge that is correct since we didn't want this to be an argument. For playoffs we cant change it | ||
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geokilla
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On March 12 2021 02:11 Harris1st wrote: In the TL embedded viewer? Yeah you need to go on twitch these days because of this No they show up in the middle of the fights on Twitch.tv. | ||
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stilt
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patermatrix
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On March 12 2021 07:29 stilt wrote: Rotti/lowko/reynor did a absolute amazing cast lol Totally agree! Rotti already did an incredible cast on the EPT weekly on Monday, he‘s really on fire at the moment. | ||
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jomacool29
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jomacool29
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On March 12 2021 03:48 NarutO wrote: its replays because we wanted to at least have the Koreans not play 4 nights in a row Can I know when was the matches really played? | ||
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Obamarauder
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SipherSC2
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The statistics say that the series between Solar and INnoVation endet 2-1 for Inno, but since i watched the series i can confirm that the information is incorrect, because InnoVation won 2-0 vs Solar. How can i report mistakes in the statistics like this? | ||
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dbRic1203
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On March 12 2021 12:56 SipherSC2 wrote: Hey guys i found a mistake in the statistics. The statistics say that the series between Solar and INnoVation endet 2-1 for Inno, but since i watched the series i can confirm that the information is incorrect, because InnoVation won 2-0 vs Solar. How can i report mistakes in the statistics like this? If you mean the Liquipedia page, anyone can edit it, so you could correct it yourselve;) | ||
hjpalpha
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On March 12 2021 12:56 SipherSC2 wrote: Hey guys i found a mistake in the statistics. The statistics say that the series between Solar and INnoVation endet 2-1 for Inno, but since i watched the series i can confirm that the information is incorrect, because InnoVation won 2-0 vs Solar. How can i report mistakes in the statistics like this? LP is correct. Inno send the replays in wrong order hence the game that Solar won was not shown on Stream as it looked as a 2-0. Wardi noticed a few minutes after that the 3rd replay in the folder was a real one and not just an old one we add to keep the casts spoiler free. | ||
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hjpalpha
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On March 12 2021 11:42 Obamarauder wrote: where can i find vods or they not uploaded yet? The twitch VODs should be available. (twitch.tv/taketv/videos && twitch.tv/wardiii/videos) | ||
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hjpalpha
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On March 12 2021 10:14 jomacool29 wrote: Can I know when was the matches really played? Groups A & B were shown live, all other Groups were played at the same time. The replay casts are a way to keep time zones as good as possible for everyone. | ||
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Edpayasugo
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On March 12 2021 05:25 Obamarauder wrote: maxpax advances first cuz inno didnt show up srsly wut | ||
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Harris1st
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JoeCool
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Harris1st
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On March 12 2021 17:49 JoeCool wrote: According to LP all the games are played at the same time today, is that true? Do all games start at 14:00? I imagine it will be the same as yesterday with 2 groups at the same time on 2 streams | ||
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Harris1st
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Clem, Showtime/ Zoun Reynor, Cure Byun, Rogue | ||
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Harris1st
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Nasty build by Clem lol | ||
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HolydaKing
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Edpayasugo
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On March 12 2021 23:16 gTank wrote: Is it just me or did Inno get bad recently? I feel like he is not practicing anymore and doesn't care as much | ||
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Nebuchad
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darklycid
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Elentos
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On March 12 2021 23:57 darklycid wrote: Zest vs serral is a cool game but still makes me wish you could counter air + casters without air + casters :/ Imagine, games like that will be status quo for the rest of the game's lifespan unless the last Blizzard employee working on SC2 finds time to drop a patch. | ||
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darklycid
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On March 13 2021 00:03 Elentos wrote: Imagine, games like that will be status quo for the rest of the game's lifespan unless the last Blizzard employee working on SC2 finds time to drop a patch. I mean the lategame being shit in pvz has been a problem throughout lotv. | ||
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Elentos
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Elentos
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On March 13 2021 00:06 darklycid wrote: I mean the lategame being shit in pvz has been a problem throughout lotv. And also the other 5 years of Starcraft 2. | ||
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darklycid
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Well pvz currently is also pretty shit in general (but that has also been true since 2019 ) | ||
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Luolis
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On March 13 2021 00:09 darklycid wrote: Well pvz currently is also pretty shit in general (but that has also been true since 2019 )Make that 2015 ":D" | ||
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Elentos
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On March 13 2021 00:09 darklycid wrote: Well pvz currently is also pretty shit in general (but that has also been true since 2019 )And also most of the rest of SC2's history. PvZ is the problem child non-mirror. | ||
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stilt
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Zergiica
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who can find excuses for this queens BS? awful. | ||
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Durnuu
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On March 13 2021 00:08 Elentos wrote: Maybe queens should bleed out when they move off creep So you're implying queens should stay at home you misogynistic fuck?! | ||
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Starcloud
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darklycid
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2018 was alright. | ||
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Luolis
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Twas lotv tho D: | ||
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darklycid
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tru blink/sentry pvz was peak pvz fight me. | ||
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Luolis
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On March 13 2021 00:11 darklycid wrote: tru blink/sentry pvz was peak pvz fight me. No reason to fight you, Wol & Hots >>>>>>> lotv in my mind :D | ||
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Elentos
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On March 13 2021 00:11 darklycid wrote: tru blink/sentry pvz was peak pvz fight me. That's an awful opinion. | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
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On March 13 2021 00:10 Zergiica wrote: lol, sad to watch something like this. who can find excuses for this queens BS? awful. There has to be some way to make Protoss not want to go immediately into skytoss. | ||
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stilt
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On March 13 2021 00:11 darklycid wrote: tru blink/sentry pvz was peak pvz fight me. It was totally imbalance but not the worst I guess. | ||
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Luolis
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darklycid
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Idk as a toss i could at least move out without being commited (or doing some weird air stuff). | ||
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Elentos
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On March 13 2021 00:13 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: There has to be some way to make Protoss not want to go immediately into skytoss. So now you're gonna blame it on them that most of their tech tree doesn't help them early on against Zerg? | ||
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Elentos
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On March 13 2021 00:16 darklycid wrote: Idk as a toss i could at least move out without being commited (or doing some weird air stuff). Oh right you play Protoss, then it makes sense you would like the last favorable meta you've seen. | ||
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darklycid
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On March 13 2021 00:17 Elentos wrote: Oh right you play Protoss, then it makes sense you would like the last favorable meta you've seen. I mean skimming through 2015 gsl/ssl pvz was actually pretty even, it's just that as a toss you felt like you actually had some options to something in the game before you had a mass amount of high tech units. | ||
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Elentos
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On March 13 2021 00:20 darklycid wrote: In GSL/SSL the Protoss tech tree usually stopped at +2 attack and blink.I mean skimming through 2015 gsl/ssl pvz was actually pretty even, it's just that as a toss you felt like you actually had some options to something in the game before you had a mass amount of high tech units. | ||
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stilt
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I really prefer pros over casters overall (except rotti/tod) | ||
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darklycid
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On March 13 2021 00:22 Elentos wrote: In GSL/SSL the Protoss tech tree usually stopped at +2 attack and blink. You added in colossi after a while if your +2 blink stuff didnt work out | ||
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On March 13 2021 00:22 darklycid wrote: Depends on the Protoss. Rain was a guy who teched, herO added +3 attack.You added in colossi after a while if your +2 blink stuff didnt work out | ||
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On March 13 2021 00:24 Elentos wrote: Depends on the Protoss. Rain was a guy who teched, herO added +3 attack. Still more interesting than lotv pvz. | ||
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On March 13 2021 00:27 Elentos wrote: Every meta that relies massively on one side fucking themselves over is shit. And that includes +2 blink. So what meta was the one you liked most in pvz :D | ||
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On March 13 2021 00:28 darklycid wrote: Obviously HotS swarm host games are the only true gems in the history of PvZSo what meta was the one you liked most in pvz :D 2017 was probably the year of PvZ that offended me the least but that feeling might have a slight Stats bias. | ||
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On March 13 2021 00:10 Zergiica wrote: lol, sad to watch something like this. who can find excuses for this queens BS? awful. Some of us blame queens for over 2 years now, coincidence it's for the longest zerg dominance period Anyway, no patch will arrive so deal with it. I deal with it by not watching the tournaments unless it's GSL and if the map pool doesn't change soon I stop watching that either. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
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On March 13 2021 00:28 darklycid wrote: So what meta was the one you liked most in pvz :D I personally actively liked the 4-6 phoenix into blink + colo meta that reigned at the beginning of HotS. I still connect on the ladder and play this way once in a blue moon, the Zergs I play think I'm crazy | ||
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geokilla
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On March 13 2021 00:43 Luolis wrote: This strat is insanely strong compared to how hard it is to hold, but Innovations reaction was proper trash lmao. What's the proper reaction then? Aside from the mis micro, probably due to ping. I've held this off before on ladder but granted I'm only 3700MMR in NA. | ||
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Luolis
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On March 13 2021 00:44 geokilla wrote: What's the proper reaction then? Aside from the mis micro, probably due to ping. You have to start factory before CC. Cyclone needs to be out as fast as possible. edit: I should note that i have never beaten this strat in my life. Demuslim rolled me earlier today with it ":D" | ||
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On March 13 2021 00:44 geokilla wrote: What's the proper reaction then? Aside from the mis micro, probably due to ping. I've held this off before on ladder but granted I'm only 3700MMR in NA. uThermal made a video where he gets turrets to buy time for the cyclones or vikings. Sadly no progamer ever watches it | ||
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On March 13 2021 00:46 Elentos wrote: The only proper response to that build is to do the F10+N rush to not have to deal with it. After all playing games is meant to be fun, not an activity robbing you of your sanity. Wait isn't that just a synonym for starcraft? | ||
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Elentos
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On March 13 2021 00:47 sneakyfox wrote: Wait isn't that just a synonym for starcraft? Well not for me personally, as you can't rob what doesn't exist | ||
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geokilla
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On March 13 2021 00:45 Luolis wrote: You have to start factory before CC. Cyclone needs to be out as fast as possible. edit: I should note that i have never beaten this strat in my life. Demuslim rolled me earlier today with it ":D" Hmmm maybe it's cus we're bad but I've held it off with Marines, Cyclone, and a few Vikings, starting the Factory after I started building my natural CC. | ||
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Luolis
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On March 13 2021 00:52 geokilla wrote: Hmmm maybe it's cus we're bad but I've held it off with Marines, Cyclone, and a few Vikings, starting the Factory after I started building my natural CC. I don't think you can get enough cyclones out early enough with CC before factory to fight vs the voids if the toss knows what they're doing. | ||
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AzAlexZ
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On March 13 2021 00:50 Elentos wrote: Well not for me personally, as you can't rob what doesn't exist oof | ||
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On March 13 2021 01:11 Luolis wrote: I hope Skillous goes back to proxy void now. Well, guess this series is over. | ||
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sneakyfox
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On March 13 2021 01:11 Luolis wrote: I hope Skillous goes back to proxy void now. Risky strat though, Inno could have watched the uThermal vid between maps. | ||
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On March 13 2021 01:16 sneakyfox wrote: Risky strat though, Inno could have watched the uThermal vid between maps. Even if that happened, i'd give Skillous a solid 50% to win the game with that. In a macro game i give him 0,5% | ||
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Looks like no | ||
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On March 13 2021 01:36 Musicus wrote: Now I really want to see Clem in the spit challenge. Yeah me too, he can probably spit even further than he can pee | ||
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Musicus
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On March 13 2021 01:39 sneakyfox wrote: Yeah me too, he can probably spit even further than he can pee Had to reread my and your comment 3 times to notice the typo :D | ||
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Gg gabe ! | ||
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stilt
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On March 13 2021 02:46 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: Lolwut Soul just 2-0'd DRG. Did not expect that. This week he beat astrea, armani, solar and now drg that's quite amazing for him. | ||
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On March 13 2021 02:50 stilt wrote: This week he beat astrea, armani, solar and now drg that's quite amazing for him. That's so good he almost deserves a shoutout. | ||
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On March 13 2021 02:50 stilt wrote: This week he beat astrea, armani, solar and now drg that's quite amazing for him. Damn, what a run :O And Armani's TvZ seems pretty good right now too. | ||
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virpi
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On March 13 2021 03:40 Obamarauder wrote: hold on, reynor has 130 supply at 6:30???? As Gabe said: His early game was basically perfect. He completely hard countered Cure's build. | ||
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On March 13 2021 03:40 Obamarauder wrote: hold on, reynor has 130 supply at 6:30???? I think it's fair to say that Reynor right now has the best early game ZvT we've ever seen in SC2. | ||
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On March 13 2021 03:45 JustPassingBy wrote: Did the increase the donation and subgoal? What happened? Haha yeah I think yesterday it was 5k and 400 subs. But since TakeTV always delivers awesome tournaments they deserve all the love they can get <3 | ||
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stilt
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On March 13 2021 04:59 Durnuu wrote: Is Zest playing on Stats' account? Because that bank is some impressive shit What the fuck was Stats doing that game? | ||
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Durnuu
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I dunno. He easily could've had 8 more void rays during Reynor's final push, if not more, if he just pressed the damn hotkeys. | ||
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Swisslink
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On March 13 2021 05:02 stilt wrote: Stats was winning then decided to not produce anything for 1 minute. Yeah, but was there some technical difficulty? I cannot imagine someone at Stats level playing this poorly. | ||
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On March 13 2021 05:03 Swisslink wrote: Yeah, but was there some technical difficulty? I cannot imagine someone at Stats level playing this poorly. Apart from for some reason not building void rays, he had no production since he lost it defending the push. | ||
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On March 13 2021 05:04 Luolis wrote: Apart from for some reason not building void rays, he had no production since he lost it defending the push. Well, he wasn't producing much production for his bank either | ||
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On March 13 2021 05:13 Morbidius wrote: PvZ is at its best state ever, fight me. Without too many air units I would agree. edit: and now we're heading for a Skytoss army and the game will be boring again :-P | ||
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deacon.frost
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On March 13 2021 05:22 Elentos wrote: So is Heromarine just gonna be the only Terran in the playoffs? Not a good showing by the Marine Corps What do you expect when Maru and TY don't attend? | ||
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stilt
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On March 13 2021 05:23 Morbidius wrote: How were the Rogue games today? Didn't catch any. He looked pretty dominant, his multitask was really something. | ||
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On March 13 2021 05:24 deacon.frost wrote: What do you expect when Maru and TY don't attend? Clem, Byun and Inno were here, that's like more than half the Terrans that have won something relevant in the past few years. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On March 13 2021 05:22 Elentos wrote: So is Heromarine just gonna be the only Terran in the playoffs? Not a good showing by the Marine Corps You should have more faith in EU's number 1 practice partner. | ||
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On March 13 2021 05:27 ZigguratOfUr wrote: You should have more faith in EU's number 1 practice partner. Herein lies the problem, everyone else is good because they have souL. But souL doesn't have himself. | ||
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stilt
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On March 13 2021 05:26 Elentos wrote: Clem, Byun and Inno were here, that's like more than half the Terrans that have won something relevant in the past few years. Inno current form didn't allow a lot of expectation, Cure was a better candidate for the ro8 imo. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On March 13 2021 05:29 stilt wrote: Inno current form didn't allow a lot of expectation, Cure was a better candidate for the ro8 imo. Cure's recent form isn't that different from INno's. We're just more used to constant disappointment with Cure. | ||
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stilt
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On March 13 2021 05:32 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Cure's recent form isn't that different from INno's. We're just more used to constant disappointment with Cure. Overall, his 2020 year was way better. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 13 2021 05:26 Elentos wrote: Clem, Byun and Inno were here, that's like more than half the Terrans that have won something relevant in the past few years. Clem isn't as good as people would love him to be. Certainly not for a stable RO8 with Koreans in it. Maybe in a year he gets the stability his hype deserves. Although Rogue shows that no matter how much time passes the stability won't be there, so who knows Cure has a bad form and Inno has even worse form than Cure. Byun may have pissed the wrist gods, don't know what happened considering he's otherwise good online.Don't know, bad times to be a terran fan when Maru has the best performance on weekenders, you know something's wrong. | ||
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Elentos
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Inno went deeper than Cure in almost every tournament they were both in tbh (also qualified for more than Cure did) | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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Was it though? Their results seem very very similar--TSL 2nd place for KoB 2nd place, both have a season finals top 4, Cure has a GSL finals for INno's GSL top 4 and two top 8s. INno made slightly more money, and made it slightly further in tournaments on average, so if anything I think he did slightly better. | ||
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stilt
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On March 13 2021 05:42 Elentos wrote: Inno went deeper than Cure in almost every tournament they were both in tbh (also qualified for more than Cure did) I valu his gsl/king battle finals more than inno, overall, he weighed more in tourney by being a threat to the top dogs, his three wins over Serral/Reynor in one tournament was particulary impressive. | ||
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Harris1st
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On March 13 2021 05:39 deacon.frost wrote: Clem isn't as good as people would love him to be. Certainly not for a stable RO8 with Koreans in it. Maybe in a year he gets the stability his hype deserves. Although Rogue shows that no matter how much time passes the stability won't be there, so who knows Cure has a bad form and Inno has even worse form than Cure. Byun may have pissed the wrist gods, don't know what happened considering he's otherwise good online.Don't know, bad times to be a terran fan when Maru has the best performance on weekenders, you know something's wrong. So Clem is bad but the Korean terrans all have one excuse or the other... Mariano is that you? | ||
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On March 13 2021 05:48 stilt wrote: I understand where you're coming from, but to me being a threat to the top dogs in two or three tournaments doesn't make up for missing GSL playoffs twice and not getting into 3 of the 4 Dreamhack events. In that sense I much prefer Inno's consistency (Inno also did better at smaller events like StayatHSC). Would be different if Cure actually ended up following through in those tournaments to win something but all of his good runs ended with him getting stomped.I valu his gsl/king battle finals more than inno, overall, he weighed more in tourney by being a threat to the top dogs, his three wins over Serral/Reynor in one tournament was particulary impressive. | ||
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On March 13 2021 06:00 Elentos wrote: I understand where you're coming from, but to me being a threat to the top dogs in two or three tournaments doesn't make up for missing GSL playoffs twice and not getting into 3 of the 4 Dreamhack events. In that sense I much prefer Inno's consistency (Inno also did better at smaller events like StayatHSC). Would be different if Cure actually ended up following through in those tournaments to win something but all of his good runs ended with him getting stomped. Actually, I didn't take into account inno's results in gsl, you're actually right, I just remembered the stomp he took from drg in ro8. I guess I got baited by the "inno is washed up" meme :p | ||
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Amzing third game ! Edit : sry for the double post, I expected a more lively thread :S | ||
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It was about time, he has been good for years. | ||
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On March 13 2021 02:51 Harris1st wrote: I guess Soul is that good! 2021 year of Soul ! | ||
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On March 13 2021 05:50 Harris1st wrote: So Clem is bad but the Korean terrans all have one excuse or the other... Mariano is that you? IMO Clem is overhyped for how good he is and for what he every played and won. So technically he's not bad, he;s just not as good as people are hypiong him to be. | ||
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On March 13 2021 07:02 deacon.frost wrote: IMO Clem is overhyped for how good he is and for what he every played and won. So technically he's not bad, he;s just not as good as people are hypiong him to be. I think Clem's the real deal, I'd go has far as to say his play is better than what is results indicated. I think he'll do great this year. With that said I also thought Reynor was the one who was gonna go the route of the Elazer and Showtime of the world, so what do I know. | ||
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On March 13 2021 07:02 deacon.frost wrote: IMO Clem is overhyped for how good he is and for what he every played and won. So technically he's not bad, he;s just not as good as people are hypiong him to be. He might be as overrated as Serral and Reynor once were. What makes you think he's overhyped, I mean actual results? | ||
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On March 13 2021 07:18 Swisslink wrote: Cure manages to force Reynor into a roach style he seems to dislike quite a lot. Thought the same thing a moment ago. Really smart play by Cure. | ||
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On March 13 2021 07:13 Nakajin wrote: I think Clem's the real deal, I'd go has far as to say his play is better than what is results indicated. I think he'll do great this year. With that said I also thought Reynor was the one who was gonna go the route of the Elazer and Showtime of the world, so what do I know. Right now everybody is going around saying he;s the next chosen one. DId you see his games against Zest at IEM? I just don't see it in them. Like what did he win with Koreans in it to get a praise that he's the top of the toppest? IIRC he won 1 tournament, that was a full foreign tourney. Otherwise RO4 tops. | ||
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On March 13 2021 07:21 deacon.frost wrote: Right now everybody is going around saying he;s the next chosen one. DId you see his games against Zest at IEM? I just don't see it in them. Like what did he win with Koreans in it to get a praise that he's the top of the toppest? IIRC he won 1 tournament, that was a full foreign tourney. Otherwise RO4 tops. What should that mean? Did you see anything in Rogue's games against Maru? Clem is young and has improved immensely in the last year and half, if you can't see how amazing his mechanics are it just can't be helped. Winning a "full foreign" tournament at this point means beating Serral and Reynor, there are few players who could do that back to back. | ||
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On March 13 2021 07:21 deacon.frost wrote: Right now everybody is going around saying he;s the next chosen one. DId you see his games against Zest at IEM? I just don't see it in them. Like what did he win with Koreans in it to get a praise that he's the top of the toppest? IIRC he won 1 tournament, that was a full foreign tourney. Otherwise RO4 tops. SOS wiped the floor with Maru sometimes. Doesn't mean anything. I think with TY gone, Inno being Inno, Maru being Mary and cure showing up seldom, Clem can become the best Terran in the world. Though he has a tough road ahead. That said, I think he is already the better than Cure | ||
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On March 13 2021 07:42 virpi wrote: Inno still has these weird streaks of brilliance. It's like he decides to play seriously, wreck people for 2 months and then do something else... If someone knows what his username is in LoL we could validate this theory. | ||
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On March 13 2021 07:54 Swisslink wrote: I mostly wonder why he tries to play this without anti air. I mean, Cure just had to build a few Liberators and Reynor has nothing to counter them. But queens! And they dont even need Larvae | ||
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On March 13 2021 05:22 Elentos wrote: So is Heromarine just gonna be the only Terran in the playoffs? Not a good showing by the Marine Corps No. | ||
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On March 13 2021 08:02 ZigguratOfUr wrote: souL has actually won the last series he's played against all three protosses, so he's not totally dead. Given his sick play in this last group that's pretty promising :O | ||
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Someone, somewhere in the Blizz HQ says: another job well done xD | ||
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On March 13 2021 08:08 Harris1st wrote: 3/3/2 Someone, somewhere in the Blizz HQ says: another job well done xD Probably the janitor, as he is the only one left working on SC2. | ||
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The host of submarine was actually intended to troll TaKe as he had a bet with NarutO about the time when we would end the last match. (Just wanted to make him sweat.) For the 2nd wrong host the map got mixed up in our replay pack. Luckily we got it fixed pretty fast.^^ | ||
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On March 13 2021 05:25 Waxangel wrote: wow feels good to be living in the GREATEST PARITY ERA of SC2 just wanna reiterate my point ^_^ | ||
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On March 13 2021 07:36 Harris1st wrote: SOS wiped the floor with Maru sometimes. Doesn't mean anything. I think with TY gone, Inno being Inno, Maru being Mary and cure showing up seldom, Clem can become the best Terran in the world. Though he has a tough road ahead. That said, I think he is already the better than Cure Maru won OSL and SSL. People keep forgetting he had some pretty strong titles behind his back. Clem has nothing. Yes, I agree, he can become the best. But he's not the strongest Terran currently out there and he has won one foreign title. That's why I'm surprised people are talking about him the way they do. Sure, we will watch his future with a great interest, but currently? (if the map pool ever changes ) I'm not saying he's the worst teran out there.... but some people are reacting like I'm saying he's worse than me. And my Terran is really bad Edit> The future didn't happen yet and there's nothing to show otherwise. On March 13 2021 08:08 Harris1st wrote: 3/3/2 Someone, somewhere in the Blizz HQ says: another job well done xD Until the finals are ZvZ and Rogue delivers one of the worst finals ever | ||
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On March 13 2021 08:44 deacon.frost wrote: Maru won OSL and SSL. People keep forgetting he had some pretty strong titles behind his back. Clem has nothing. Yes, I agree, he can become the best. But he's not the strongest Terran currently out there and he has won one foreign title. That's why I'm surprised people are talking about him the way they do. Sure, we will watch his future with a great interest, but currently? (if the map pool ever changes ) I'm not saying he's the worst teran out there.... but some people are reacting like I'm saying he's worse than me. And my Terran is really bad Edit> The future didn't happen yet and there's nothing to show otherwise. Until the finals are ZvZ and Rogue delivers one of the worst finals ever On that last part, we can agree on xD I expect a PvZ final and P will get wiped incredible hard | ||
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On March 13 2021 07:21 deacon.frost wrote: Right now everybody is going around saying he;s the next chosen one. DId you see his games against Zest at IEM? I just don't see it in them. Like what did he win with Koreans in it to get a praise that he's the top of the toppest? IIRC he won 1 tournament, that was a full foreign tourney. Otherwise RO4 tops. To be fair Zest PvT is straight up fire right now, he's 28-2 since Super Tournament and was 43-2 in maps in his last 45 maps going into his match against Clem. I think he just prove we collectively have a lot of difficulty understanding what make a high level game, because every time he play tvp everyone seems to say it's a low level series and the other guy just slip up yet he's murdering everyone in the match up right now. | ||
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On March 13 2021 08:44 deacon.frost wrote: Maru won OSL and SSL. People keep forgetting he had some pretty strong titles behind his back. Clem has nothing. Yes, I agree, he can become the best. But he's not the strongest Terran currently out there and he has won one foreign title. That's why I'm surprised people are talking about him the way they do. Sure, we will watch his future with a great interest, but currently? (if the map pool ever changes ) I'm not saying he's the worst teran out there.... but some people are reacting like I'm saying he's worse than me. And my Terran is really bad Edit> The future didn't happen yet and there's nothing to show otherwise. Until the finals are ZvZ and Rogue delivers one of the worst finals ever You do not understand why a player who CURRENTLY is a top 3 Terran(at worst top 5) who's by far the younger of the pack and who probably has the best mechanics is being hyped? Imagine if we were speaking of Percival here... At the time of his first tournament, Clem could have been the best Terran; he was in TvZ, for sure. We can't have a ZvZ final in this tournament. | ||
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On March 13 2021 08:10 Niravroh wrote: I'd like to see Serral vs Rogue I think it's pretty likely that this will happen. | ||
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Oh and Soul having a breakout performance, though he honestly has a terrible bracket. | ||
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On March 13 2021 09:32 Xain0n wrote: You do not understand why a player who CURRENTLY is a top 3 Terran(at worst top 5) who's by far the younger of the pack and who probably has the best mechanics is being hyped? Imagine if we were speaking of Percival here... At the time of his first tournament, Clem could have been the best Terran; he was in TvZ, for sure. We can't have a ZvZ final in this tournament. yes we can | ||
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On March 13 2021 10:16 dysenterymd wrote: Lots of interesting stories going into these playoffs. Serral looking fierce and like he wants to return to form, Zest trying to finally win something again, Zoun continuing to be great maybe, and Heromarine maintaining his strong Katowice form. Also the eternal question of which Rogue will show up. Oh and Soul having a breakout performance, though he honestly has a terrible bracket. bracket was determined by a random draw with the following restrictions: - can not meet player from same GS1 group in first round - can not meet player from same GS2 group in first **2** rounds tbh i am not to happy with it either, wished i had drawn Gabe not against Serral, but random is random ..., apart from that it looks pretty okay for how the event might progress (i think and hope) | ||
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On March 13 2021 09:45 Obamarauder wrote: cure’s such an interesting player. not necessarily considerred a top 3 player but yet the only one to consistently beat both serral and reynor Consistently? You sure? Found 10 matches. Under these filters, Reynor is 17–17 (50.00%) in games and 5–5 (50.00%) in matches against Cure. Found 6 matches. Under these filters, Cure is 7–12 (36.84%) in games and 1–5 (16.67%) in matches against Serral. Apparently he defeatet Serral ONCE in his lifetime lol | ||
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On March 13 2021 20:58 Morbidius wrote: Oh boy, when i went to sleep last night Reynor was ''the best ZvT player of all time'', wonder what happened? The best early game ZvT of all time, learn how to quote. | ||
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On March 12 2021 03:48 NarutO wrote: its replays because we wanted to at least have the Koreans not play 4 nights in a row All games will be in live today? | ||
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On March 13 2021 21:27 Xain0n wrote: The best early game ZvT of all time, learn how to quote. Okay, now tell me what happened? | ||
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On March 13 2021 19:59 Harris1st wrote: Consistently? You sure? Found 10 matches. Under these filters, Reynor is 17–17 (50.00%) in games and 5–5 (50.00%) in matches against Cure. Found 6 matches. Under these filters, Cure is 7–12 (36.84%) in games and 1–5 (16.67%) in matches against Serral. Apparently he defeatet Serral ONCE in his lifetime lol Under these filters, Maru is 4–8 (33.33%) in games and 1–4 (20.00%) in matches against Serral. Under these filters, Maru is 14–9 (60.87%) in games and 5–3 (62.50%) in matches against Reynor. Under these filters, TY is 9–18 (33.33%) in games and 2–5 (28.57%) in matches against Serral. Under these filters, TY is 6–5 (54.55%) in games and 2–2 (50.00%) in matches against Reynor. Under these filters, INnoVation is 23–40 (36.51%) in games and 8–16 (33.33%) in matches against Serral. Under these filters, INnoVation is 21–24 (46.67%) in games and 7–7 (50.00%) in matches against Reynor. Under these filters, ByuN is 8–12 (40.00%) in games and 3–3 (50.00%) in matches against Serral. Under these filters, ByuN is 5–4 (55.56%) in games and 2–1 (66.67%) in matches against Reynor. It's funny how similar all of these are. | ||
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nvm fuck me for doubting him hes a genius | ||
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On March 13 2021 22:34 Nakajin wrote: Couldn't Zoun have taken Zest natural/main? Theoretically, but he first needs to mine 400 minerals and then survive long enough to build static D to hold vs the void rays. Zest should win the game 99% of the times when the void flew into Zoun's base. | ||
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On March 13 2021 22:42 Argonauta wrote: shoutout to the liquipedia editors indeed We should make a big celebration for these guys working tirelessly behind the scene to keep liquipedia updated. I thought about doing it, but I figured: "Heh, I should just wait they're probably gonna take care of it." | ||
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On March 13 2021 23:09 Luolis wrote: Yesterday i said that Serral vs Inno was the longest death animation. This surpasses that game. many HOTS SH games were long death animations imo | ||
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Rogue > Serral confirmed | ||
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On March 13 2021 23:27 MarianoSC2 wrote: Lambo: Rogue is like Serral but with better early game. And Serral is a Rogue fan. Rogue > Serral confirmed As if that needed confirmation. | ||
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On March 13 2021 23:42 MarianoSC2 wrote: So Cure totally destroyed Reynor yup cure totally destroyed reynor. totally | ||
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On March 13 2021 23:42 MarianoSC2 wrote: So Cure totally destroyed Reynor and now got murdered by Rogue even harder. Reynor fluke world champ confirmed Cure is 3-4 in this group against Reynor 'totally destroyed' | ||
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On March 13 2021 23:42 MarianoSC2 wrote: So Cure totally destroyed Reynor and now got murdered by Rogue even harder. Reynor fluke world champ confirmed And Maru destroyed Rogue, but Reyor beat Maru so I guess Maru>Rogue>Cure>Reynor>Maru? | ||
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The clique of the Serral haters korean elitists is back at it, uh? Best Serral>best Rogue and average Serral>>average Rogue, have I done it right? Maybe try to present your opinions as such instead of boasting ridicolous "facts". On March 13 2021 23:42 MarianoSC2 wrote: So Cure totally destroyed Reynor and now got murdered by Rogue even harder. Reynor fluke world champ confirmed Now that's a funny one. There was a world champion who got eliminated in the first group stage of Code S twice after winning his title, can you guess who he was? He must have been a total fluke by your standards, right? I get that your evil personality has gotten the better of you again Mariano, send us your more easonable brother back please. | ||
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On March 13 2021 23:55 Nakajin wrote: And Maru destroyed Rogue, but Reyor beat Maru so I guess Maru>Rogue>Cure>Reynor>Maru? We all know that Maru gifted those 3 games to Reynor out of pity when he saw how easy it was to beat him. Guess he thought it was a bo7 and wanted a challenge but didn't pan out | ||
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On March 14 2021 00:00 Xain0n wrote: The clique of the Serral haters korean elitists is back at it, uh? Best Serral>best Rogue and average Serral>>average Rogue, have I done it right? Maybe try to present your opinions as such instead of boasting ridicolous "facts". Now that's a funny one. There was a world champion who got eliminated in the first group stage of Code S twice after winning his title, can you guess who he was? He must have been a total fluke by your standards, right? I get that your evil personality has gotten the better of you again Mariano, send us your more easonable brother back please. And here you are,funny how even suggesting that the 3 times world champion might be a good player is absurd to you. | ||
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On March 13 2021 23:42 MarianoSC2 wrote: So Cure totally destroyed Reynor and now got murdered by Rogue even harder. Reynor fluke world champ confirmed Yes, real champ Rogue could never be that inconsistent. Meanwhile, Statsuuuuuuuuu | ||
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On March 14 2021 00:28 Nakajin wrote: This is the most boring Starcraft game I have seen in a while Let me guess you're a Terran player that thinks TvZ is the best matchup | ||
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On March 14 2021 00:32 Luolis wrote: That was a horrible teleport. He lost the game with it. | ||
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Soul could've had G3 easily and G4 shoudl've been over way earlier. | ||
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On March 14 2021 00:56 JoeCool wrote: Jesus, watching Soul play kinda reminds me of Patriots vs Falcons (SB). Be ahead for a good amount of time but still mess up so badly that you'll eventually lose. Soul could've had G3 easily and G4 shoudl've been over way earlier. It's how the best foreigners used to play and lose against koreans back in the days! Are you foreseeing a 2-2 then? | ||
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On March 14 2021 01:02 Xain0n wrote: It's how the best foreigners used to play and lose against koreans back in the days! Are you foreseeing a 2-2 then? Maybe but Stats is too solid. | ||
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Edit: WP | ||
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It has been a great series though | ||
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On March 14 2021 01:22 Nakajin wrote: Stats with the savage pause Stats with the savage ping | ||
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That said I am happily surprised he handled this well some chaotic situations and this is a very good tournament for him. | ||
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On March 14 2021 02:07 The_Red_Viper wrote: TvZ is such a snoozefest these days You can't split and target banelings on two screens at once? Too bad, TvZ won't allow you to express any other quality you might have. | ||
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On March 14 2021 02:07 The_Red_Viper wrote: TvZ is such a snoozefest these days We've had tons of insanely close zvts recently (maru reynor, serral Clem, reynor cure, etc.) Don't be surprised when Serral Heromarine is a clampdown | ||
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On March 14 2021 02:07 The_Red_Viper wrote: TvZ is such a snoozefest these days Its more to do about the skill difference between players. Serral seems to be in GodMode again, at least against terrans. But for example Clem can give him a run for his money when he is playing well. Gabe is just not at that level. Hopefully GOAT gets his 6th(!!!!) consecutive trophy. | ||
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On March 14 2021 02:14 nojok wrote: You can't split and target banelings on two screens at once? Too bad, TvZ won't allow you to express any other quality you might have. Without whining too much, i just feel like there are barely any interesting or meaningful interactions throughout the game, everything seems so streamlined and played out, nothing which excites me at all. Partly it's a me thing for sure, watching sc2 for such a long time, but idk if that's all there is to it. I'm genuinely enjoying the mirrors more than tvz from a spectator pov, which is kinda crazy. On March 14 2021 02:16 Starcloud wrote: Its more to do about the skill difference between players. Serral seems to be in GodMode again, at least against terrans. But for example Clem can give him a run for his money when he is playing well. Gabe is just not at that level. Hopefully GOAT gets his 6th(!!!!) consecutive trophy. Oh yeah serral ofc is just way better than heromarine, this isn't really supposed to be a criticism on balance, just the enjoyment i get out of tvz is rather slim, even the closer games are imo quite boring and uninspiring to watch. | ||
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On March 14 2021 02:18 The_Red_Viper wrote: Without whining too much, i just feel like there are barely any interesting or meaningful interactions throughout the game, everything seems so streamlined and played out, nothing which excites me at all. Partly it's a me thing for sure, watching sc2 for such a long time, but idk if that's all there is to it. I'm genuinely enjoying the mirrors more than tvz from a spectator pov, which is kinda crazy. Oh yeah serral ofc is just way better than heromarine, this isn't really supposed to be a criticism on balance, just the enjoyment i get out of tvz is rather slim, even the closer games are imo quite boring and uninspiring to watch. Interactions are definitely meaningful but yeah, it looks more and more like a mechanical test. Maru is very unique though, I'm not sure why no other terrans test his style. | ||
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On March 14 2021 02:19 JJH777 wrote: TvZ seems relatively balanced overall but the top Zergs definitely have way higher ZvT winrates than the top Terrans do in TvZ. It seems like Maru/TY/Clem/Byun still regularly lose to mid tier Zergs but Serral/Dark/Reynor and Rogue when he's in form basically never lose ZvT except in close series to the top 4 Terrans. That's actually just a problem with Zergs in general. It's so much easier to be consistent. It's pretty much always been the case in SC2 that the race with the most incentive to be aggressive in match up become worst off in the long run, especially for non top player. (HOTS TvP, Swarm host PvZ, turtle mech) I do think ultra late game tvz is not as bad as it once was and I think Terran player will gain back some ground. (well they already have). | ||
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On March 14 2021 02:19 JJH777 wrote: TvZ seems relatively balanced overall but the top Zergs definitely have way higher ZvT winrates than the top Terrans do in TvZ. It seems like Maru/TY/Clem/Byun still regularly lose to mid tier Zergs but Serral/Dark/Reynor and Rogue when he's in form basically never lose ZvT except in close series to the top 4 Terrans. That's actually just a problem with Zergs in general. It's so much easier to be consistent. I mean, it's not obvious that TvZ is balanced overall either. For the last two periods, the overall winrate was 45.7%. http://aligulac.com/periods/288/?sort=&race=ptzrs&nats=all http://aligulac.com/periods/287/?sort=&race=ptzrs&nats=all For the month of February, TvZ was 46.62% and over the last year it has been consistently even or Zerg favored. http://aligulac.com/misc/balance | ||
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stilt
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Soul just didn't play well, he got constantly caught off guard, Zoun didn't have to put a lot of efforts to pick him apart. That said, it was a good perf overall. | ||
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On March 14 2021 03:33 stilt wrote: Heromarine beat Trap at Kato. Soul just didn't play well, he got constantly caught off guard, Zoun didn't have to put a lot of efforts to pick him apart. That said, it was a good perf overall. I think Stats just played into Soul strength and that why it was so close, he didn't seemed to be able to read Zoun at all. | ||
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On March 14 2021 03:33 stilt wrote: Heromarine beat Trap at Kato. Soul just didn't play well, he got constantly caught off guard, Zoun didn't have to put a lot of efforts to pick him apart. That said, it was a good perf overall. That was a bo3 though | ||
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Harris1st
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Gogo Gabe! Love the production of this tournament.Good natured fun mixed in these awesome games HSC is love <3 | ||
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On March 14 2021 05:11 Harris1st wrote: If I had know that nobody would edit the OP, I would have put more effort in it :D Gogo Gabe! Love the production of this tournament.Good natured fun mixed in these awesome games HSC is love <3 I would like a liquipedia link on it personally if you can. | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
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On March 14 2021 05:19 geokilla wrote: I hope they play Rogue vs Serral first and then Stats vs Zest on replay. These are some nightmare hours for Koreans right now. for what we know both series might as well be finished by now and both casted from replays. I mean quaterfinals were complete like 3 hours ago, so why waiting really | ||
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geokilla
Canada8244 Posts
On March 14 2021 05:26 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: for what we know both series might as well be finished by now and both casted from replays. I mean quaterfinals were complete like 3 hours ago, so why waiting really Heromarine being live like that made me wonder whether the series vs Cure was live. | ||
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On March 14 2021 05:26 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: for what we know both series might as well be finished by now and both casted from replays. I mean quaterfinals were complete like 3 hours ago, so why waiting really Confirmed by Rotti right now | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
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HSC is being really really SMART about this. | ||
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On March 14 2021 05:29 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: HSC is being really really SMART about this. Glad to see at least 1 tournament brand cares about korean players | ||
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geokilla
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On March 14 2021 05:54 Sent. wrote: Were "beautiful fungals" a WoL or HoTS meme? WoL | ||
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Brazil3449 Posts
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
On March 14 2021 06:01 Morbidius wrote: Rotti just spoiled the Rogue vs Serral result. He said it was possible, not guaranteed. | ||
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On March 14 2021 06:15 Nakajin wrote: Zest send all his probes to long distance mine on his opponent natural and still won, what a fucking legend This should unlock a special achievement | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium4033 Posts
Stats is like "i've never seen this in the tutorial, what am I supposed to do?!" | ||
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Lazzarus
Faroe Islands114 Posts
Safe bet that Serral and Rogue will be cast from replay | ||
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Italy3963 Posts
On March 14 2021 06:40 Lazzarus wrote: So big Gabe is cutting Dennis' hair? Safe bet that Serral and Rogue will be cast from replay I wish HM didn't try. | ||
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Odoakar
Croatia1837 Posts
this stuff is hillarious | ||
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On March 14 2021 06:58 Xain0n wrote: Wax, do you still love what ZvZ has become? Well, that's not how most ZvZ go thankfully. | ||
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On March 14 2021 07:00 Swisslink wrote: Well, that's not how most ZvZ go thankfully. Are you sure? I have the impression it happens way too often. | ||
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stilt
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While committing into his attack, rogue was making a spire and had more drones since quite some time. He seems behind for no reason. | ||
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On March 14 2021 07:08 Swisslink wrote: Did Serral just miss that Rogue went for Mutas or what the hell was that Nydus? Nydus-Queen-Roach all-in is good against mutas when you don't just die to the lings before the mutas even pop out. | ||
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Swisslink
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On March 14 2021 07:12 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Nydus-Queen-Roach all-in is good against mutas when you don't just die to the lings before the mutas even pop out. Yes, but he had one Queen? And he decided to go for the Nydus when he had lost most of his queens already, didn't he? | ||
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On March 14 2021 07:21 AzAlexZ wrote: Reynor casting is hilarious, calls Serral 'Sloppy' lol Well it's far from Serral's best game control-wise, so he's got a point. | ||
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stilt
France2754 Posts
I hope I am wrong though but even on deathaura, his late game army control was superior. | ||
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JoeCool
Germany2520 Posts
On March 14 2021 07:37 stilt wrote: This is a 3-2 but I feel like Rogue will demolish serral if they play again. He seems to be a way better zvz player. I hope I am wrong though but even on deathaura, his late game army control was superior. Nah, they'll play again in the finals and Serral will take it 4-2. | ||
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On March 14 2021 14:01 InvictusRage wrote: Do we know when it starts tomorrow? 4pm CET 8am PST for me | ||
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South Africa1848 Posts
According to Liquipedia it starts 1 hour sooner than this {i.e., in 1hr45m it starts today} EDIT: Which makes sense, I think it started at 3pm CET last time. | ||
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ytherik
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blizz should at least allow it for tournament organizers | ||
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hjpalpha
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Some are not able to start games and Lobby crashes once the countdown goes down to 3. We will switch Series and let Serral vs Zoun play at the same time and cast that from replays. We should be live with a game in a few minutes. | ||
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Nakajin
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On March 14 2021 23:40 hjpalpha wrote: We are sorry for the delay, but NA Server is bugging. Some are not able to start games and Lobby crashes once the countdown goes down to 3. We will switch Series and let Serral vs Zoun play at the same time and cast that from replays. We should be live with a game in a few minutes. No problems, thank for the update! | ||
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[PkF] Wire
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On March 14 2021 23:54 Elentos wrote: Wouldn't be surprised if Zest was a bit worn down, he played a 7 game series vs TY earlier today that lasted over 2 hours. yeah and it was pretty fun . I really enjoyed TY's ultra defensive lategames | ||
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[PkF] Wire
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Elentos
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On March 14 2021 23:55 [PkF] Wire wrote: yeah and it was pretty fun . I really enjoyed TY's ultra defensive lategamesI watched TY play today and was disappointed how bad he looked at Katowice by comparison. And also confused how he struggled with Creator, Billowy and Hurricane in the GSL qualis if he can play like that. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24237 Posts
On March 15 2021 00:00 Elentos wrote: I watched TY play today and was disappointed how bad he looked at Katowice by comparison. And also confused how he struggled with Creator, Billowy and Hurricane in the GSL qualis if he can play like that. same... I had given up on his TvP and it looked really fine this morning, I hope he can showcase similar plays again | ||
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On March 15 2021 00:02 [PkF] Wire wrote: Well he should try at least, only a few months until he retires. Sad enough his Katowice run ended the way it did.same... I had given up on his TvP and it looked really fine this morning, I hope he can showcase similar plays again | ||
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Canada8989 Posts
On March 15 2021 00:06 Elentos wrote: Well he should try at least, only a few months until he retires. Sad enough his Katowice run ended the way it did. As shit it's this year? We're losing Stats-Zest and TY in the same year? | ||
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Elentos
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On March 15 2021 00:11 Nakajin wrote: As shit it's this year? We're losing Stats-Zest and TY in the same year? TY could have delayed but chose to go this summer. | ||
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Elentos
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On March 15 2021 00:14 Morbidius wrote: Zest is playing super sloppy, not a single immortal shot at the tanks. His play looks tired | ||
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hjpalpha
Germany339 Posts
Well the plan was for him to play ~30 minutes later, he might have slept a bit more i guess. Cure on the other hand was playing League of Legends when we reached him.^^ | ||
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On March 15 2021 00:36 Elentos wrote: This series isn't a clown fiesta, it's a proper circus. the only real 10/10 games are clown fiestas. That was amazing ^^ | ||
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geokilla
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Zest not macroing again | ||
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On March 15 2021 01:00 Elentos wrote: Zest did everything wrong that he could have in this game oh boy I disagree builld order wise he did quite well i think | ||
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sneakyfox
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On March 15 2021 01:04 geokilla wrote: Lol Zest... If only you built Probes You must be new here | ||
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On March 15 2021 01:05 Sent. wrote: Zest has to feel terrible after this Don't worry he's seen himself play worse | ||
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TheLordofAwesome
Korea (South)2655 Posts
Well that was quick | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5218 Posts
Producing a few Cannons while building Stalkers off one Gate with mass Shield Batteries was never going to work. | ||
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Poland9262 Posts
Thank god ravagers exist. I just wish they were prettier | ||
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Charoisaur
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I thought we're in the golden armada era? | ||
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On March 15 2021 01:47 Charoisaur wrote: Everytime I see a PvZ lategame Zerg wins... I thought we're in the golden armada era? Zerg players are just too skilled in the late game to lose anymore. | ||
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On March 15 2021 01:47 Charoisaur wrote: Everytime I see a PvZ lategame Zerg wins... I thought we're in the golden armada era? Eeeeh to be fair Zoun's control was way off. His templar were always too far from his skytoss to support them properly. But yeah, it's not as onesided as Zergs like to complain about, it's just that when there's 1-2 months when Protoss actually chooses to go to lategame (and win sometimes!), minds get blown On March 15 2021 01:46 Sim999 wrote: how can anyone like the p v z meta with skytoss it was and it still is boring as hell... All of PvZ is boring to be honest, there's no way around it and there will never be. Protoss units are just not good enough to be on creep with anything but a deathball (or a small group of zealots). | ||
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Xamo
Spain881 Posts
On March 15 2021 01:52 Sim999 wrote: I think lotv has not resolved anything regarding protoss and p v z, deathballs after deathballs... next time maybe The last years only the mirrors have improved IMHO. They're all way better. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16021 Posts
On March 15 2021 01:57 Xamo wrote: The last years only the mirrors have improved IMHO. They're all way better. Don't agree with TvT. Way too raven-turtle heavy | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7021 Posts
Serral vs Cure hype now | ||
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Xamo
Spain881 Posts
On March 15 2021 01:58 Charoisaur wrote: Don't agree with TvT. Way too raven-turtle heavy There are not so many turtle games, specially at the top level. I am ok with them at the current proportion. | ||
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hjpalpha
Germany339 Posts
Apparently the Lobby kicks everyone if one "bad" account is in the lobby. We let all Casters create a lobby/game vs AI to only let accounts that should be good into the lobby. We hope this now works for the rest of the day. Pls keep your fingers crossed for no more problems.^^ | ||
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On March 15 2021 02:24 Xamo wrote: wow Serral dying with 700-700 in the bank Zest has assumed direct control and is playing for every player | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
It should be an interesting end of to the series. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4958 Posts
On March 15 2021 03:03 JJH777 wrote: Watching this makes me surprised Rogue 3-0'd Cure yesterday. What was that series like? Rogue stomped | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On March 15 2021 03:22 Nakajin wrote: That's a disappointing end to the series Yeah that hellbat attack doesn't look like something that works no matter what the zerg does. | ||
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stilt
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On March 15 2021 03:29 Die4Ever wrote: Fucking traitor widow mine Yea, Terran as a race just feels self-destructive lol Bio needs to hurt themselves via stim to be effective, tanks and widow mines dealing friendly splash damage, buildings burning down when they get damaged too badly, etc. | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17721 Posts
On March 15 2021 03:39 geokilla wrote: CONSOLE GAMING?! Yuck | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7021 Posts
On March 15 2021 03:39 geokilla wrote: CONSOLE GAMING?! I missed it. What's going on? | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 15 2021 03:39 geokilla wrote: CONSOLE GAMING?! Don't you have a better chance to buy a console than new graphics card? (not by much though ) | ||
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On March 15 2021 04:08 Poaktree wrote: Stats, Rogue or Serral. Who do you think is the farovite? Depends how much sleep Rogue got, Stats is the biggest favorite for the 3rd place because the prophecy foretold ZvZ finals! | ||
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On March 15 2021 04:08 Poaktree wrote: Stats, Rogue or Serral. Who do you think is the farovite? I feel pretty confident in Rogue with the HSC winners bracket advantage vs Serral. Serral would have to win consecutive series against him. If Stats wins this match then I would consider Serral the favorite. | ||
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Spain881 Posts
On March 15 2021 04:08 Poaktree wrote: Stats, Rogue or Serral. Who do you think is the farovite? Stats > Rogue > Serral > Stats Given the order they play today, I guess that means Stats wins | ||
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geokilla
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On March 15 2021 04:18 geokilla wrote: Gabe looks like he knows how to cook really well I take it back LOL | ||
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On March 15 2021 04:18 geokilla wrote: Gabe looks like he knows how to cook really well Cursed! | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
Interesting that Stats and Zest both don't seem to try too hard to mindgame the opponent about whether they're going double stargate void early on. | ||
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On March 15 2021 04:26 Crocolisk Dundee wrote: "StarCraft tournament aborted after progamer burns down building trying to make pizza." I mean that's one advantage of the event being held online. The tournament can continue and Lowko and Rotterdam can keep casting from the fire station. | ||
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On March 15 2021 04:45 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Pretty clean from Stats. I'm still not going to get my hopes up for any PvZ finals though. Well, better than Rogue v Z finals. | ||
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stilt
France2754 Posts
Serral's zvp seems better but he should not win the zvz. | ||
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Maybe. We've had loads of horrendous Rogue v P finals in the past. | ||
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Waxangel
United States33503 Posts
Best thing that happened entire tournament :0 | ||
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 15 2021 04:52 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Maybe. We've had loads of horrendous Rogue v P finals in the past. You can't win here. Stats v Serral will be onesided for Serral and potentially horrendous, Rogue v Stats the same and Serral v Rogue would be horribly because of Rogue v Z finals. We're doomed. | ||
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On March 15 2021 04:56 Waxangel wrote: <iframe src="https://clips.twitch.tv/embed?clip=DistinctGrossHabaneroPeanutButterJellyTime-Lua7zaUXSz3UE8aZ&parent=tl.net" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="true" scrolling="no" height="378" width="620"></iframe> Best thing that happened entire tournament :0 glorious ^^ | ||
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Italy3963 Posts
On March 15 2021 05:00 deacon.frost wrote: You can't win here. Stats v Serral will be onesided for Serral and potentially horrendous, Rogue v Stats the same and Serral v Rogue would be horribly because of Rogue v Z finals. We're doomed. Rogue vs Zerg finals? He only played the BlizzCon one against soO and that wasn't a stomp. Also, now I can safely say we won't have a ZvZ final xd | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On March 15 2021 05:16 TheLordofAwesome wrote: Ok, what is up with 4 ads in a row randomly running in the middle of games? This has happened repeatedly today. Doesn't Twitch play ads automatically now if TakeTV doesn't play enough ads per hour? That's probably what happened then. | ||
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hjpalpha
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On March 15 2021 05:21 Musicus wrote: Doesn't Twitch play ads automatically now if TakeTV doesn't play enough ads per hour? That's probably what happened then. yeah twitch does that shit | ||
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stilt
France2754 Posts
On March 15 2021 04:46 stilt wrote: Gg stats ! Serral's zvp seems better but he should not win the zvz. xD | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
It's zvz man, can't predict that shit :D | ||
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On March 15 2021 05:35 Die4Ever wrote: It's 5:30am in Korea, right? Korean time is displayed in the top right of the page you're looking at right now. KST | ||
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On March 15 2021 05:39 Sent. wrote: Korean time is displayed in the top right of the page you're looking at right now. KST Yep, just pointing it out | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
lmao, they have a gif of Serral sweeping | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
Glad that Serral beat Rogue tho, a victory in ZvZ eventually. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4958 Posts
On March 15 2021 05:39 Musicus wrote: https://twitter.com/ENCE/status/1371197640403214337 lmao, they have a gif of Serral sweeping that is glorious lmao | ||
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JoeCool
Germany2520 Posts
Serral still the GOAT.Edit: Serral only lost 3 maps this whole tournament. Edit²: Im talkin bs. | ||
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JJH777
United States4415 Posts
On March 15 2021 05:43 JoeCool wrote: Everything went as expected Serral still the GOAT.Edit: Serral only lost 3 maps this whole tournament. Edit²: 4 He's lost at least 6 maps. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
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ejozl
Denmark3463 Posts
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JJH777
United States4415 Posts
On March 15 2021 05:47 ejozl wrote: I really hate this format, I would really feel it was a steal if Serral wins the first series 3:0, but then loses the next 2-1. He'd be 4-2 in score vs Stats, but Stats would win. Yes winners bracket advatanges are dumb for SC2. Playing less series is enough of an advantage in a game like this. Though I'd be curious if you also thought it was dumb when Serral went 3-3 vs TY but was the winner for the same reason. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24237 Posts
On March 15 2021 05:47 ejozl wrote: I really hate this format, I would really feel it was a steal if Serral wins the first series 3:0, but then loses the next 2-1. He'd be 4-2 in score vs Stats, but Stats would win. not really a fan either honestly, but there isn't a true "good" solution for the finals in tourneys with a losers bracket imo | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
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TheLordofAwesome
Korea (South)2655 Posts
On March 15 2021 05:39 Sent. wrote: Korean time is displayed in the top right of the page you're looking at right now. KST oh thanks! | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17721 Posts
On March 15 2021 05:50 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Completely disagree. I think this is the fairest format if you want to have double elimination. Double elimination should be for everyone, not just everyone except one player for finals hype. Yeah it makes no sense if you don't get your 2nd chance just because you haven't lost yet, you're just getting punished for being too good | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
On March 15 2021 05:50 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Completely disagree. I think this is the fairest format if you want to have double elimination. Double elimination should be for everyone, not just everyone except one player for finals hype. Agreed. This is the best possible way to do these brackets. More games, equal series losses allowed for everyone, and non of that weird "1 map advantage" thing for the winner either. Also when we get the 2nd finals and it goes 1-1 it's ultimate hype time. | ||
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
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geokilla
Canada8244 Posts
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Sent.
Poland9262 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17721 Posts
On March 15 2021 05:54 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: Agreed. This is the best possible way to do these brackets. More games, equal series losses allowed for everyone, and non of that weird "1 map advantage" thing for the winner either. Also when we get the 2nd finals and it goes 1-1 it's ultimate hype time. Leenock vs Violet, never forget | ||
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hjpalpha
Germany339 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On March 15 2021 05:56 Sent. wrote: Would a bo7 with Stats starting 1:0 feel better or worse than the current rules? I think as a player I would prefer what we have now, but as a viewer I'm not sure. Objectively a 1 map lead in a bo7 is less of an advantage for the player from the winner's bracket than what we have currently. But it also feels weirder to the viewers than just two series. | ||
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dysenterymd
1250 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 15 2021 05:58 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Objectively a 1 map lead in a bo7 is less of an advantage for the player from the winner's bracket than what we have currently. But it also feels weirder to the viewers than just two series. Under the current situation obviously the best advantage would be setting a time and place | ||
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geokilla
Canada8244 Posts
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
On March 15 2021 05:56 Sent. wrote: Would a bo7 with Stats starting 1:0 feel better or worse than the current rules? I think as a player I would prefer what we have now, but as a viewer I'm not sure. Worse IMO. Having a series win be a full series win feels better, and the second BO3 always feels tense if we get there. | ||
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Crocolisk Dundee
870 Posts
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Luolis
Finland7142 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 15 2021 05:55 StasisField wrote: Stats vs Serral finals rivalry hype! What hype? Stats rarely wins any finals. It's like trying to hype new GPU when everybody knows the resutl - miners will buy them all. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
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JoeCool
Germany2520 Posts
On March 15 2021 06:13 Musicus wrote: So Stats wins if he wins the bo5, Serral has to win a bo5 and then a bo3. Correct. | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
wow Stats | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17721 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
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Captain Peabody
United States3126 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
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stilt
France2754 Posts
On March 15 2021 01:47 Charoisaur wrote: Everytime I see a PvZ lategame Zerg wins... I thought we're in the golden armada era? :o | ||
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Sent.
Poland9262 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On March 15 2021 06:38 Sent. wrote: What should Serral do differently? All-in using lurkers and queens .Jokes aside it was a good timing. | ||
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Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
On March 15 2021 06:38 Sent. wrote: What should Serral do differently? Get his queens feed-backed at the same time as the Vipers. Doesn't change the outcome of the game, but it makes the Protoss player feel slightly more smug about his micro. | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium4033 Posts
On March 15 2021 01:47 Charoisaur wrote: Everytime I see a PvZ lategame Zerg wins... I thought we're in the golden armada era? I wonder why you didn't comment after game 2 of the currently played series. | ||
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Andi_Goldberger
Germany1608 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
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darklycid
3517 Posts
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geokilla
Canada8244 Posts
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Andi_Goldberger
Germany1608 Posts
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Captain Peabody
United States3126 Posts
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geokilla
Canada8244 Posts
On March 15 2021 06:53 Captain Peabody wrote: stats really is playing well, even more impressive when you remember it's like 6 am in korea rn I did not expect this! | ||
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Sent.
Poland9262 Posts
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darklycid
3517 Posts
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Obamarauder
697 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
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Captain Peabody
United States3126 Posts
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
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Argonauta
Spain4958 Posts
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Lazzarus
Faroe Islands114 Posts
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[PkF] Wire
France24237 Posts
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
Well done, Stats! | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16021 Posts
On March 15 2021 06:42 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: I wonder why you didn't comment after game 2 of the currently played series. not really lategame but more a timing push because Serral was too greedy | ||
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Luolis
Finland7142 Posts
On March 15 2021 06:56 darklycid wrote: Lol was Serral even trying last fight? Probably not. I mean the game was already over :D | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium4033 Posts
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Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
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stilt
France2754 Posts
Too bad, gg Stats, you were far better. | ||
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Elentos
55561 Posts
On March 15 2021 06:56 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Beautiful game from Stats. It ended in carriers but that was such a nice midgame from him setting it up. The only way this could have been better is if he never started charge at all | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium4033 Posts
On March 15 2021 06:56 Charoisaur wrote: not really lategame but more a timing push because Serral was too greedy Typical creating new definitions on the fly and selling them as facts. Opinion is never a fact buddy. | ||
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darklycid
3517 Posts
On March 15 2021 06:58 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: Typical creating new definitions on the fly and selling them as facts. Opinion is never a fact buddy. If +0 corruptors count as a lategame comp, then protoss dying with +0 carriers that he has like 4 of counts as a lategame loss. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
Also we need some Stats gifs. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16021 Posts
On March 15 2021 06:58 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: Typical creating new definitions on the fly and selling them as facts. Opinion is never a fact buddy. come on - it was the equivalent of Protoss dying to Broodlords with pure ground units | ||
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geokilla
Canada8244 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26223 Posts
On March 15 2021 06:57 Teoita wrote: Stats put on a PvZ clinic o.O Yeah that was brutal. PvZ exciting as ever, but can appreciate how well Stats played it | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On March 15 2021 06:57 Elentos wrote: The only way this could have been better is if he never started charge at all He needed that money for +1 air. | ||
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DBooN
Germany2727 Posts
On March 15 2021 06:58 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: Typical creating new definitions on the fly and selling them as facts. Opinion is never a fact buddy. Even the casters were saying Serral died, because he blindly assumed they'd gear up for lategame and didn't expect the attack. | ||
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TrAiDoS
Germany201 Posts
Hope you enjoyed the Stay at HomeStory Cup XXL Windows 98 edition. You can find the official Replay Pack here | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 15 2021 07:00 DBooN wrote: Even the casters were saying Serral died, because he blindly assumed they'd gear up for lategame and didn't expect the attack. Those damn casters! It's a treason then! | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On March 15 2021 07:01 TrAiDoS wrote: Hello guys :-) Hope you enjoyed the Stay at HomeStory Cup XXL Windows 98 edition. You can find the official Replay Pack here Jesus chirst you are fast Thanks for the great tournament!!! | ||
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stilt
France2754 Posts
On March 15 2021 06:59 darklycid wrote: If +0 corruptors count as a lategame comp, then protoss dying with +0 carriers that he has like 4 of counts as a lategame loss. Lol, T3 units, spellcasters from both side, spore forest, it is late game. Poor you, you can't whine and be obnixious about balance on this one. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4958 Posts
On March 15 2021 07:01 TrAiDoS wrote: Hello guys :-) Hope you enjoyed the Stay at HomeStory Cup XXL Windows 98 edition. You can find the official Replay Pack here Thank you for the tournament!! | ||
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Waxangel
United States33503 Posts
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Gescom
Canada3505 Posts
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Gescom
Canada3505 Posts
On March 15 2021 07:03 Waxangel wrote: What an era of close competition LOL -- make sure to get it in every tourney. :D Looking forward to the next one. | ||
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darklycid
3517 Posts
On March 15 2021 07:02 stilt wrote: Lol, T3 units, spellcasters from both side, spore forest, it is late game. Poor you, you can't whine and be obnixious about balance on this one. So a toss dying with +0 carriers and alot of cannons and shield batteries is also a lategame loss in the future, noted | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26223 Posts
On March 15 2021 07:01 TrAiDoS wrote: Hello guys :-) Hope you enjoyed the Stay at HomeStory Cup XXL Windows 98 edition. You can find the official Replay Pack here Forget replays I want the Windows 98 overlay! Although replays aren’t a bad thing to have... | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium4033 Posts
On March 15 2021 07:00 DBooN wrote: Even the casters were saying Serral died, because he blindly assumed they'd gear up for lategame and didn't expect the attack. The point was in the first message Viewer selectively watches only games where zerg wins Viewer created his own definition of what to count as a lategame (seems to be - based on what they claim - its when everything is 3-3 full upgrades, everything is covered in creep and there is plenty of bank for curruptor - viper - ultra army) Viewer comes with the conclusion that skytoss lategame is no good The rest what y'all saying is fine, it's stating opinions as facts that is a nice quality of this viewer | ||
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hjpalpha
Germany339 Posts
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stilt
France2754 Posts
On March 15 2021 07:04 darklycid wrote: So a toss dying with +0 carriers and alot of cannons and shield batteries is also a lategame loss in the future, noted Your ability to ignore very basic facts to keep up with your whiny narrative is dellusion at its best lol | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16021 Posts
On March 15 2021 07:06 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: Viewer comes with the conclusion that skytoss lategame is no good stop putting words into my mouth | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17721 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany16021 Posts
On March 15 2021 07:11 Die4Ever wrote: We certainly avoided the controversy of the double elimination grand final lol Hmm I think it's the fairest way to do things | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17721 Posts
On March 15 2021 07:12 Charoisaur wrote: Hmm I think it's the fairest way to do things Yeah I like this format, it's just funny that people were talking about it but it didn't matter at all | ||
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stilt
France2754 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On March 15 2021 07:15 stilt wrote: Serral is going to be the new kong if he keeps playing like he did in his two last finals. The guy doesn't win tournaments for four months and everybody thinks he's washed up. | ||
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stilt
France2754 Posts
On March 15 2021 07:18 ZigguratOfUr wrote: The guy doesn't win tournaments for four months and everybody thinks he's washed up. Wut ? Going into the final isn't implying he is washed up. The fact is he got destroyed pretty hard the last two times he managed to get in. And even if stats played really well, Serral was quite sloppy. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On March 15 2021 07:24 stilt wrote: Wut ? Going into the final isn't implying he is washed up. The fact is he got destroyed pretty hard the last two times he managed to get in. Yes, such a Kong Serral is with a 13-8 record in Premier finals and a 15-4 record in Major finals. He wouldn't become a Kong even if he'd lose every single final he'll reach. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26223 Posts
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stilt
France2754 Posts
On March 15 2021 07:28 Xain0n wrote: Yes, such a Kong Serral is with a 13-8 record in Premier finals and a 15-4 record in Major finals. He wouldn't become a Kong even if he'd lose every single final he'll reach. Despite his kespa cup win which is acknowldge as a premier, soO was still considered a kong, JD was too on sc2, apparently, you can become one. Anyway, even if you disagree, that wasn't really my point which is : he played terribly his last two finals despite dominating performances in the early stage and if it becomes a trend he won't win much. | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
On March 15 2021 07:03 Waxangel wrote: What an era of close competition That's what washed up pros playing on ping gets you. Btw Serral isn't playing at 50% of what he can do, he crumbles into a tier 3 Zerg whenever stakes get high(or even moderately high like this tournament.) He is just like 2014 soO right now, but he doesn't have 7 years to fix it. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On March 15 2021 07:46 stilt wrote: Despite his kespa cup win which is acknowldge as a premier, soO was still considered a kong, JD was too on sc2, apparently, you can become one. Anyway, even if you disagree, that wasn't really my point which is : he played terribly his last two finals despite dominating performances in the early stage and if it becomes a trend he won't win much. As WombaT points out, performing amazingly for years while winning next to nothing(a Kong like soO) is a totally different thing than starting to lose in finals after having won dozen of titles already. I think it would be premature to conclude that Serral has a problem with finals now, he just lost the last two. People are generally hypercritical towards Serral. Edit: We are forgetting Serral's loss against Trap at Last Chance; the finals he lost are indeed three but the kind of performance Serral delivered was very different. I still don't think he has now a problem with actually winning tournaments. On March 15 2021 07:47 Morbidius wrote: That's what washed up pros playing on ping gets you. Btw Serral isn't playing at 50% of what he can do, he crumbles into a tier 3 Zerg whenever stakes get high(or even moderately high like this tournament.) He is just like 2014 soO right now, but he doesn't have 7 years to fix it. On the other hand, Serral is the most decorated player in the history of Sc2; I guess it makes up for 6 years of career. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On March 15 2021 08:37 Xain0n wrote: As WombaT points out, performing amazingly for years while winning next to nothing(a Kong like soO) is a totally different thing than starting to lose in finals after having won dozen of titles already. I think it would be premature to conclude that Serral has a problem with finals now, he just lost the last two. People are generally hypercritical towards Serral. He definitely is starting a trend of dropping big series, while he still was probably the overall best player, Serral has only won a single event in the last 8 months, aka 1 out of 11 tournament. He still is the favorite in every events he enter, but he can't seem to take back the clutchness he was so known for, maybe when offline event come back. He's obviously no Kong off course. | ||
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On March 15 2021 10:02 Nakajin wrote: He definitely is starting a trend of dropping big series, while he still was probably the overall best player, Serral has only won a single event in the last 8 months, aka 1 out of 11 tournament. He still is the favorite in every events he enter, but he can't seem to take back the clutchness he was so known for, maybe when offline event come back. He's obviously no Kong off course. Serral's clutchness died with his invulnerability back in 2019 and never came back, he still won tournaments because he was the best player around even if not untouchable anymore. During this first year of ESL, Serral has lost his superiority as well; he has regularly been one of the very top players with a weakness in ZvZ, a lack of consistency(only if compared to his standards) and a pretty low conversion rate of titles when it comes to finals. Serral might still be the relative favorite to win every tournament he enters but with a lead so minimal on his contenders that it's not so surprising that he hasn't won many titles | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26223 Posts
On March 15 2021 10:02 Nakajin wrote: He definitely is starting a trend of dropping big series, while he still was probably the overall best player, Serral has only won a single event in the last 8 months, aka 1 out of 11 tournament. He still is the favorite in every events he enter, but he can't seem to take back the clutchness he was so known for, maybe when offline event come back. He's obviously no Kong off course. For sure, rather counter-intuitively perhaps with time Serral not bringing home the bacon with such regularity will highlight quite home remarkable his relentless consistency really was. SC2 is just so volatile that unless you’re leagues above the competition (Special in LA I suppose) luck is what’s going to separate a consistent top 4 player who wins the odd time from the bloke winning all the time. He did look rather lost against Stats today, for sure. One game he made a bad call in thinking he could bust him, the other two Stats just posed questions Serral had no answer to. I’m sure he could come up with them, I haven’t seen a player transition so smoothly into Skytoss without leaving obvious windows for busting and exploitation as Stats showed today. Very well played for sure. I say obvious insofar as what Serral could see vs what we could. Really good army movement and posturing, backstabs where possible and the tech transitions flowed really nicely too. Full credit to the Shield of Aiur in what he brought. PvZ is never a beautiful thing, it elicits more emotions of admiration for technical proficiency and Stats sure got that from me! Shades of Stats taking Serral out in Assembly (I think) with a really refined oracle-centric style, took out Serral that time but with more time to come up with solutions and the meta fluctuating Serral wasn’t Stats’ whipping boy for long. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7021 Posts
Smashing two top Zergs right after each other | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26223 Posts
On March 15 2021 18:38 Harris1st wrote: So did Stats break Wombats law? xD Smashing two top Zergs right after each other Noooo my one claim to fame. If anyone should discredit me I suppose I’d like it to be Stats though. Perhaps I’ll have to add caveat #8 which is that it must be in premiers haha It very much depends on Protoss having, or having figured out a reliable lategame style or two or not. If they do have that Wombat’s Law shouldn’t be a thing, applying as it does to the scenarios of a Protoss running out of tight builds to throw out, or the new shiny build they bring to a tournament being figured out when they have to show it too much. Wombat’s Law not applying will of course be of great personal devastation, but it would be a sign of a healthier game too. | ||
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