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On October 12 2020 04:42 Vindicare605 wrote:
If Maru is telling the truth and he didn't prepare at all for this tournament. I'd say that says some good things about how on form he is for GSL's Ro8. He has his work cut out for him with the bracket that he has, but if he plays better than this tournament with preparation I'd say he has a good chance of going after that coveted G5L trophy.
For all the games today, Maru went macro. I don't recall Maru doing too many all-ins with proxy raxes, which he is known to do.
I suppose when the game goes to a macro game, there is only so much that preparation can do. Macro games come down to skill in the long run. And pros like Maru have practiced a lot on the maps so they more or less know what to look out for in each map.
On the other hand, analyzing an opponent's habits and play style and using some terrain/quirk on the map to abuse the opponent's habits, and crafting a build specifically for an opponent, comes with preparation. I don't really think Maru had any prepared builds today for his opponents, he just went mostly for macro games and his skill in macro games came through.
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Maru is so good. Cure looked like he had it a few times throughout the series but Maru defended perfectly. Bit sad we didn't get to see more games but seeing Maru play like this. Wow.
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On October 12 2020 04:59 xelnaga_empire wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2020 04:42 Vindicare605 wrote:
If Maru is telling the truth and he didn't prepare at all for this tournament. I'd say that says some good things about how on form he is for GSL's Ro8. He has his work cut out for him with the bracket that he has, but if he plays better than this tournament with preparation I'd say he has a good chance of going after that coveted G5L trophy. For all the games today, Maru went macro. I don't recall Maru doing too many all-ins with proxy raxes, which he is known to do.
This is Maru in every tournament. Since his injuries became open he's just been playing defensive on 3-4 bases until he wins.
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On October 12 2020 05:02 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2020 04:59 xelnaga_empire wrote:On October 12 2020 04:42 Vindicare605 wrote:
If Maru is telling the truth and he didn't prepare at all for this tournament. I'd say that says some good things about how on form he is for GSL's Ro8. He has his work cut out for him with the bracket that he has, but if he plays better than this tournament with preparation I'd say he has a good chance of going after that coveted G5L trophy. For all the games today, Maru went macro. I don't recall Maru doing too many all-ins with proxy raxes, which he is known to do. This is Maru in every tournament. Since his injuries became open he's just been playing defensive on 3-4 bases until he wins.
Maru played like this even in 2018. The narrative that he only ever won with aggressive builds and proxies was started by people who wanted to downplay his achievements. He's been the best late game T for years in all matchups.
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On October 12 2020 04:42 Vindicare605 wrote:
If Maru is telling the truth and he didn't prepare at all for this tournament. I'd say that says some good things about how on form he is for GSL's Ro8. He has his work cut out for him with the bracket that he has, but if he plays better than this tournament with preparation I'd say he has a good chance of going after that coveted G5L trophy.
I'm not so confident in him (or any T) beating Stats or especially Trap in a TvP currently
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On October 12 2020 05:06 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2020 05:02 Fango wrote:On October 12 2020 04:59 xelnaga_empire wrote:On October 12 2020 04:42 Vindicare605 wrote:
If Maru is telling the truth and he didn't prepare at all for this tournament. I'd say that says some good things about how on form he is for GSL's Ro8. He has his work cut out for him with the bracket that he has, but if he plays better than this tournament with preparation I'd say he has a good chance of going after that coveted G5L trophy. For all the games today, Maru went macro. I don't recall Maru doing too many all-ins with proxy raxes, which he is known to do. This is Maru in every tournament. Since his injuries became open he's just been playing defensive on 3-4 bases until he wins. Maru played like this even in 2018. The narrative that he only ever won with aggressive builds and proxies was started by people who wanted to downplay his achievements. He's been the best late game T for years in all matchups.
Yeah, while every other terran mindlessly parade pushed Maru would extend games to 50 minutes and win with casters and libs. Even when he proxied a ton most of the games went to long macro ones.
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On October 12 2020 05:09 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2020 04:42 Vindicare605 wrote:
If Maru is telling the truth and he didn't prepare at all for this tournament. I'd say that says some good things about how on form he is for GSL's Ro8. He has his work cut out for him with the bracket that he has, but if he plays better than this tournament with preparation I'd say he has a good chance of going after that coveted G5L trophy. I'm not so confident in him (or any T) beating Stats or especially Trap in a TvP currently
The way Stats looked the other night I don't blame you. I can't theorycraft a single answer to what Trap was doing vs Maru, so it's gonna take someone much more clever than me to figure that out.
Thing is though, I happen to think that Maru is smarter than I am, so I have faith.
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Northern Ireland27463 Posts
On October 12 2020 04:42 Vindicare605 wrote:
If Maru is telling the truth and he didn't prepare at all for this tournament. I'd say that says some good things about how on form he is for GSL's Ro8. He has his work cut out for him with the bracket that he has, but if he plays better than this tournament with preparation I'd say he has a good chance of going after that coveted G5L trophy.
Not sure it’s a translation thing, some difference between how the practice/prepare distinction is transmitted or something.
I’ve heard it a fair few times, actually from Maru himself regarding Stats in his last GSL group.
I can only assume Maru means he didn’t prepare specific counter plans for these various opponents, not that he didn’t prepare/practice full stop.
His current shape seems way too high for him to be light on practice.
Could absolutely believe he’s not prepping specific strats though given his general game plan of late across all matchups is stay alive and defend like a god until he gets to the lategame where he shows his chops.
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To be fair, Cure had just finished a grueling 7 game series against TY before getting a 5 minute break to start all over again with Maru, who watched all the games.
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Northern Ireland27463 Posts
On October 12 2020 05:11 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2020 05:09 Charoisaur wrote:On October 12 2020 04:42 Vindicare605 wrote:
If Maru is telling the truth and he didn't prepare at all for this tournament. I'd say that says some good things about how on form he is for GSL's Ro8. He has his work cut out for him with the bracket that he has, but if he plays better than this tournament with preparation I'd say he has a good chance of going after that coveted G5L trophy. I'm not so confident in him (or any T) beating Stats or especially Trap in a TvP currently The way Stats looked the other night I don't blame you. I can't theorycraft a single answer to what Trap was doing vs Maru, so it's gonna take someone much more clever than me to figure that out. Thing is though, I happen to think that Maru is smarter than I am, so I have faith.
uThermal broke down a game from that series (from Maru’s POV too) alas not the whole series.
The analysis seemed solid to me at the time, and seems even better with retrospect as Maru was repeating some of the same trends and moves against Parting in their GSL games. For example transitioning to a really technical late game army but he’ll consistently leave 15-25 supply spare for a bio hitsquad that roams to snipe bases but also defends things like runbys so he can keep his really technical and valuable main army in the pivotal map position he wants them. If it dies in his duty he’ll leave the space to remake it.
Probably would have done against Stats too but he died before that real lategame hit.
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On October 12 2020 04:55 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2020 04:49 swarminfestor wrote:On October 12 2020 04:33 Xain0n wrote:
So disappointing.
I am extremely sad for Cure, he defeated Reynor twice, Serral and TyT only to lose once more in the grand finals... It seemed like recently whoever defeated Serral, he got smashed in the final. These happened to Reynor in Blizzcon 2019, Zest in IEM 2020, and now Cure. Almost as though it doesn't take a tournament winner to smash Serral.... Sorry. Couldn't resist.
I'm laughing. Maru didn't beat Serral, in fact!
It was the opposite before BlizzCon.
The legend says I always speak of Serral but the fact is that you can't resist sticking it into every thread and every conversation; Serral was pretty marginal in my comment, yet that's what you saw.
His successes must really be permanent scars for you elitists.
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France13022 Posts
On October 12 2020 05:06 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2020 05:02 Fango wrote:On October 12 2020 04:59 xelnaga_empire wrote:On October 12 2020 04:42 Vindicare605 wrote:
If Maru is telling the truth and he didn't prepare at all for this tournament. I'd say that says some good things about how on form he is for GSL's Ro8. He has his work cut out for him with the bracket that he has, but if he plays better than this tournament with preparation I'd say he has a good chance of going after that coveted G5L trophy. For all the games today, Maru went macro. I don't recall Maru doing too many all-ins with proxy raxes, which he is known to do. This is Maru in every tournament. Since his injuries became open he's just been playing defensive on 3-4 bases until he wins. Maru played like this even in 2018. The narrative that he only ever won with aggressive builds and proxies was started by people who wanted to downplay his achievements. He's been the best late game T for years in all matchups.
Yeah he often played such style. He just started proxying A LOT in TvP when it was good and midgame/lategame were very difficult / not optimal ; and in TvZ 2rax as macro isn't allin, I didn't see him do 3rax (which is allin) very often, if at all.
I'm very happy Maru won, didn't catch the games from the finals but still impressive. Hopefully he can get that 5th GSL 
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On October 12 2020 05:09 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2020 04:42 Vindicare605 wrote:
If Maru is telling the truth and he didn't prepare at all for this tournament. I'd say that says some good things about how on form he is for GSL's Ro8. He has his work cut out for him with the bracket that he has, but if he plays better than this tournament with preparation I'd say he has a good chance of going after that coveted G5L trophy. I'm not so confident in him (or any T) beating Stats or especially Trap in a TvP currently
It would really be time for a Protoss to win Code S.
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On October 12 2020 05:19 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2020 04:55 Vindicare605 wrote:On October 12 2020 04:49 swarminfestor wrote:On October 12 2020 04:33 Xain0n wrote:
So disappointing.
I am extremely sad for Cure, he defeated Reynor twice, Serral and TyT only to lose once more in the grand finals... It seemed like recently whoever defeated Serral, he got smashed in the final. These happened to Reynor in Blizzcon 2019, Zest in IEM 2020, and now Cure. Almost as though it doesn't take a tournament winner to smash Serral.... Sorry. Couldn't resist. I'm laughing. Maru didn't beat Serral, in fact! It was the opposite before BlizzCon. The legend says I always speak of Serral but the fact is that you can't resist sticking it into every thread and every conversation; Serral was pretty marginal in my comment, yet that's what you saw. His successes must really be permanent scars for you elitists.
Maru didn't have to beat Serral because Serral got completely smashed in the quarterfinals. Not Maru's fault.
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On October 12 2020 05:32 HugoBallzak wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2020 05:19 Xain0n wrote:On October 12 2020 04:55 Vindicare605 wrote:On October 12 2020 04:49 swarminfestor wrote:On October 12 2020 04:33 Xain0n wrote:
So disappointing.
I am extremely sad for Cure, he defeated Reynor twice, Serral and TyT only to lose once more in the grand finals... It seemed like recently whoever defeated Serral, he got smashed in the final. These happened to Reynor in Blizzcon 2019, Zest in IEM 2020, and now Cure. Almost as though it doesn't take a tournament winner to smash Serral.... Sorry. Couldn't resist. I'm laughing. Maru didn't beat Serral, in fact! It was the opposite before BlizzCon. The legend says I always speak of Serral but the fact is that you can't resist sticking it into every thread and every conversation; Serral was pretty marginal in my comment, yet that's what you saw. His successes must really be permanent scars for you elitists. Maru didn't have to beat Serral because Serral got completely smashed in the quarterfinals. Not Maru's fault.
You completely missed the point, didn't you?
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On October 12 2020 05:06 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2020 05:02 Fango wrote:On October 12 2020 04:59 xelnaga_empire wrote:On October 12 2020 04:42 Vindicare605 wrote:
If Maru is telling the truth and he didn't prepare at all for this tournament. I'd say that says some good things about how on form he is for GSL's Ro8. He has his work cut out for him with the bracket that he has, but if he plays better than this tournament with preparation I'd say he has a good chance of going after that coveted G5L trophy. For all the games today, Maru went macro. I don't recall Maru doing too many all-ins with proxy raxes, which he is known to do. This is Maru in every tournament. Since his injuries became open he's just been playing defensive on 3-4 bases until he wins. Maru played like this even in 2018. The narrative that he only ever won with aggressive builds and proxies was started by people who wanted to downplay his achievements. He's been the best late game T for years in all matchups.
Maru has played like this forever, it's just rarely every game. 2018 was a fair mix of lategames, timings, and proxies.
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On October 12 2020 05:19 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2020 04:55 Vindicare605 wrote:On October 12 2020 04:49 swarminfestor wrote:On October 12 2020 04:33 Xain0n wrote:
So disappointing.
I am extremely sad for Cure, he defeated Reynor twice, Serral and TyT only to lose once more in the grand finals... It seemed like recently whoever defeated Serral, he got smashed in the final. These happened to Reynor in Blizzcon 2019, Zest in IEM 2020, and now Cure. Almost as though it doesn't take a tournament winner to smash Serral.... Sorry. Couldn't resist. I'm laughing. Maru didn't beat Serral, in fact! It was the opposite before BlizzCon. The legend says I always speak of Serral but the fact is that you can't resist sticking it into every thread and every conversation; Serral was pretty marginal in my comment, yet that's what you saw. His successes must really be permanent scars for you elitists.
So what's your justification this time? Is Cure the new best in the world like you were hyping Clem to be just only a couple days ago?
Isn't it just about time you learned to accept that your lord and savior is mortal?
What I find funny is that you're equating my responses about Serral to his achievements instead of what is more obvious. My responses are in response to his rabid fans, like you who can't help but jump in EVERY TIME his name is mentioned.
I checked, Xainon you didn't post a single thing in this thread until I mentioned Serral and you could not RESIST defending him when even in my post I mentioned that it was a light hearted joke.
You really can't help yourself. It's no wonder that people want to tempt you into responding, it's way too easy.
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Czech Republic12134 Posts
On October 12 2020 07:31 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2020 05:19 Xain0n wrote:On October 12 2020 04:55 Vindicare605 wrote:On October 12 2020 04:49 swarminfestor wrote:On October 12 2020 04:33 Xain0n wrote:
So disappointing.
I am extremely sad for Cure, he defeated Reynor twice, Serral and TyT only to lose once more in the grand finals... It seemed like recently whoever defeated Serral, he got smashed in the final. These happened to Reynor in Blizzcon 2019, Zest in IEM 2020, and now Cure. Almost as though it doesn't take a tournament winner to smash Serral.... Sorry. Couldn't resist. I'm laughing. Maru didn't beat Serral, in fact! It was the opposite before BlizzCon. The legend says I always speak of Serral but the fact is that you can't resist sticking it into every thread and every conversation; Serral was pretty marginal in my comment, yet that's what you saw. His successes must really be permanent scars for you elitists. So what's your justification this time? Is Cure the new best in the world like you were hyping Clem to be just only a couple days ago? Isn't it just about time you learned to accept that your lord and savior is mortal? What I find funny is that you're equating my responses about Serral to his achievements instead of what is more obvious. My responses are in response to his rabid fans, like you who can't help but jump in EVERY TIME his name is mentioned. I checked, Xianon you didn't post a single thing in this thread until I mentioned Serral and you could not RESIST defending him when even in my post I mentioned that it was a light hearted joke. You really can't help yourself. It's no wonder that people want to tempt you into responding, it's way too easy.
What I hate the most is - look at his reply. He's defending Serral like you said that Maru had beaten him while the joke is about the fact Maru failed at it. And then he throws in random Blizzcon fact. Also stop being the bad person and adding Serral into it (while again, you reacted on a post mentioning him).
Like WTF? I don't know, it triggers me 
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On October 12 2020 07:31 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2020 05:19 Xain0n wrote:On October 12 2020 04:55 Vindicare605 wrote:On October 12 2020 04:49 swarminfestor wrote:On October 12 2020 04:33 Xain0n wrote:
So disappointing.
I am extremely sad for Cure, he defeated Reynor twice, Serral and TyT only to lose once more in the grand finals... It seemed like recently whoever defeated Serral, he got smashed in the final. These happened to Reynor in Blizzcon 2019, Zest in IEM 2020, and now Cure. Almost as though it doesn't take a tournament winner to smash Serral.... Sorry. Couldn't resist. I'm laughing. Maru didn't beat Serral, in fact! It was the opposite before BlizzCon. The legend says I always speak of Serral but the fact is that you can't resist sticking it into every thread and every conversation; Serral was pretty marginal in my comment, yet that's what you saw. His successes must really be permanent scars for you elitists. So what's your justification this time? Is Cure the new best in the world like you were hyping Clem to be just only a couple days ago? Isn't it just about time you learned to accept that your lord and savior is mortal? What I find funny is that you're equating my responses about Serral to his achievements instead of what is more obvious. My responses are in response to his rabid fans, like you who can't help but jump in EVERY TIME his name is mentioned. I checked, Xainon you didn't post a single thing in this thread until I mentioned Serral and you could not RESIST defending him when even in my post I mentioned that it was a light hearted joke. You really can't help yourself. It's no wonder that people want to tempt you into responding, it's way too easy.
You checked and failed.
I posted at the end of the final match to express my disappointment after seeing Cure lose another final, you replied to a post which replied to mine...
I have never said that Clem is the best in the world, what the hell are you smoking? What I said is that considering Clem vs Reynor the best possible TvZ in the last two months would have been quite reasonable.
The Blizzcon reference was not to the one Serral won, it would have made no sense.
It was an answer to Swarminfestor's post, before BlizzCon 2019 the people beating Serral were always winning tournaments whereas now, as he says, they reach the finals and lose(badly).
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Impressive runs from both Maru and Cure! Super stacked tournament
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