EPT$30,000 King of Battles - Playoffs - Page 32
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seemsgood
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
On October 12 2020 09:05 Xain0n wrote: You checked and failed. I posted at the end of the final match to express my disappointment after seeing Cure lose another final, you replied to a post which replied to mine... I have never said that Clem is the best in the world, what the hell are you smoking? What I said is that considering Clem vs Reynor the best possible TvZ in the last two months would have been quite reasonable. The Blizzcon reference was not to the one Serral won, it would have made no sense. It was an answer to Swarminfestor's post, before BlizzCon 2019 the people beating Serral were always winning tournaments whereas now, as he says, they reach the finals and lose(badly). that means he is no longer the elephant in the tournament anymoar : ] | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On October 10 2020 23:04 AzAlexZ wrote:  Serral 3-2  CureTY 2-3 Rogue Zoun 3-1 ClemMaru 2-3 InnoSerral 2-3 RogueZoun 3-2 InnoZoun 4-3 RogueLet's go!!!! I'm never been more wrong in my life holy fuk every prediction was wrong and worse | ||
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Slydie
1979 Posts
If Maru had prepped a bit better, he would have known that Clem likes to delay his upgrades in TvT and hit some deadly early midgame pushes, but Clem did not win by cheesing IMO. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7304 Posts
On October 13 2020 14:45 Slydie wrote: Shouldn't Clem get some respect for finding a way to take 2 maps from Maru, something Cure and Inno were not able to? If Maru had prepped a bit better, he would have known that Clem likes to delay his upgrades in TvT and hit some deadly early midgame pushes, but Clem did not win by cheesing IMO. I'm more surprised that Maru beat Inno and Cure so clearly than Clem beeing able to make it a match | ||
Poopi
France12992 Posts
On October 13 2020 14:45 Slydie wrote: Shouldn't Clem get some respect for finding a way to take 2 maps from Maru, something Cure and Inno were not able to? If Maru had prepped a bit better, he would have known that Clem likes to delay his upgrades in TvT and hit some deadly early midgame pushes, but Clem did not win by cheesing IMO. It’s impressive for sure, but there is still the shadow of cross server to take into account. I’m pretty sure INno/Cure are probably still favorites against Clem on even ground (and they are a bit more accustomed to ping than Maru so maybe even in cross server) | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12131 Posts
On October 13 2020 16:27 Poopi wrote: It’s impressive for sure, but there is still the shadow of cross server to take into account. I’m pretty sure INno/Cure are probably still favorites against Clem on even ground (and they are a bit more accustomed to ping than Maru so maybe even in cross server) Also there\s the thing that Maru knows both ofthem much better than CLem from the Korean competition, practice games and ladder. Edit> not downplaying Clem, great play by him nonetheless. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27200 Posts
On October 13 2020 14:45 Slydie wrote: Shouldn't Clem get some respect for finding a way to take 2 maps from Maru, something Cure and Inno were not able to? If Maru had prepped a bit better, he would have known that Clem likes to delay his upgrades in TvT and hit some deadly early midgame pushes, but Clem did not win by cheesing IMO. All credit in the world, Clem’s developing rather nicely, although Maru was that bit better. Certainly a good sign moving forwards. Compared to previous times especially, T are less of an endangered species these days later in brackets, so a player can only go so far if their vT isn’t up to par. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19368 Posts
On October 13 2020 19:59 WombaT wrote: All credit in the world, Clem’s developing rather nicely, although Maru was that bit better. Certainly a good sign moving forwards. Compared to previous times especially, T are less of an endangered species these days later in brackets, so a player can only go so far if their vT isn’t up to par. Maru also stated he was worried about ping and did his best to avoid micro battles with Clem. I'm not trying to take anything away from Clem, but that is a factor that could have impacted his decision making and engagements at times where it cost him the game. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27200 Posts
On October 13 2020 22:39 BisuDagger wrote: Maru also stated he was worried about ping and did his best to avoid micro battles with Clem. I'm not trying to take anything away from Clem, but that is a factor that could have impacted his decision making and engagements at times where it cost him the game. Makes sense, especially the early game skirmishes. If we exclude early skirmishes where Clem is amazing, or a guy like ByuN gets value, TvT is to my estimation probably the least affected by ping of T matchups. Makes sense to play to try and be safe in the real early game skirmishes and just win through general superiority. Especially in the meta we have now where mech is a rather endangered style, TvZ is probably the most affected by a distance of the T matchups. I think these series have been a reasonably accurate showing of the TvT chops of the two, or slightly favouring Clem based on the games he did well he often had the better of early skirmishes. TvZ cross server, nah it just seems really wonky. Probably why Clem vs Reynor/Serral has given such good games in that ping has been less of a factor. | ||
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