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On December 05 2019 19:46 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2019 19:33 sylow wrote:
APAC finals will be held in Kuala Lumpur in a month I am still wondering how many koreans can qualify through APAC finals(or better, how many spots will it give since no player will be able to contest one of their spots).
Since it gives 8 spots, I'm guessing all 4 Koreans will qualify. I don't think they are giving too many direct seeds from the APAC region (if any besides HongKong)
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On December 05 2019 19:35 Aeromi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2019 18:41 Waxangel wrote:On December 05 2019 18:38 Geo.Rion wrote:
huh, soO forfeits because of NW, unfortunate damn, hate when this kind of scheduling conflict can't be resolved  soO could have played from our office, he decided to not play.
No confidence vs Rogue? Pity 
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On December 05 2019 19:51 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2019 19:35 Aeromi wrote:On December 05 2019 18:41 Waxangel wrote:On December 05 2019 18:38 Geo.Rion wrote:
huh, soO forfeits because of NW, unfortunate damn, hate when this kind of scheduling conflict can't be resolved soO could have played from our office, he decided to not play. No confidence vs Rogue? Pity
i imagine it would have been on Korea server, with Rouge being in KR, and soO in france, he would have been at a disadvantage
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On December 05 2019 19:50 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2019 19:46 Xain0n wrote:On December 05 2019 19:33 sylow wrote:
APAC finals will be held in Kuala Lumpur in a month I am still wondering how many koreans can qualify through APAC finals(or better, how many spots will it give since no player will be able to contest one of their spots). Since it gives 8 spots, I'm guessing all 4 Koreans will qualify. I don't think they are giving too many direct seeds from the APAC region (if any besides HongKong)
There were never more than 2/3 koreans qualifying, I am also not sure when to trust Liquipedia on WESG:American qualifiers will send 8 players but they are apparently only 6 when you sum up all the spots given by the local qualifiers; not to mention APAC qualifiers give 8 spots but Gogojoey is somehow still through?
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From their homepage
StarCraft 2 is one of the disciplines that WESG has been including every year since the foundation of the tournament. This year's StarCraft 2 Open Online qualifiers are scheduled from November 14 to December 30. Closed qualifiers are scheduled from November 22 to December 14. UCC will organize and host online qualifiers this year.
Attention! Further information describes only those regions’ qualifiers for which UCC is responsible.
WESG has dropped the single nationality restriction from its rules for this year’s event. Now teams are allowed to have up to two foreigners on their rosters. This means that only three players have to be the representatives of the country.
StarCraft II Online qualifiers are non-monetary. Participants will compete for the slot at WESG Grand Final.
Qualifiers’ Format
Online Open qualifiers with a Single Elimination bracket
Online Closed qualifiers with a Double Elimination bracket
Final qualifiers are played in Bo5
Overall qualifiers
StarCraft II qualifiers necessarily include 2 Open qualifiers, according to the results of which the participants advance to the Closed qualifiers or Final qualifiers
Open qualifiers Finals
Some regions do not have Closed qualifiers and 2 participants from the Open Online qualifiers advance to the Qualifiers Finals to compete for a slot at WESG Asia Pacific Final:
West Asia, South Korea и MENA
Participants from Chinese Taipei will advance to the WESG China Final through Open qualifiers’ finals.
Participants from Africa will compete for the slot at the WESG Grand Final
Closed qualifiers
The number of participants that qualify for Closed qualifiers depends on the region.
In Closed qualifiers, participants from Open qualifiers and invited participants will compete for a slot at WESG Grand Final. The number of participants depends on the region.
Participants from the Asian Closed qualifiers advance to the WESG Asia Pacific Final
Slots distribution per region:
South Korea — 4 participants from open qualifiers and 4 invited participants
CIS — 2 participants from open qualifiers and 2 invited participants
East EU — 4 participants from open qualifiers and 4 invited participants
North EU — 4 participants from open qualifiers and 4 invited participants
Benelux — 2 participants from open qualifiers and 2 invited participants
France +Monaco + UK/GB — 4 participants from open qualifiers and 4 invited participants
Iberia — 2 participants from open qualifiers and 2 invited participants
German + Austria — 2 participants from open qualifiers and 2 invited participants
Central Europe — 2 participants from open qualifiers and 2 invited participants
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On December 05 2019 21:04 Harris1st wrote:From their homepage Show nested quote +StarCraft 2 is one of the disciplines that WESG has been including every year since the foundation of the tournament. This year's StarCraft 2 Open Online qualifiers are scheduled from November 14 to December 30. Closed qualifiers are scheduled from November 22 to December 14. UCC will organize and host online qualifiers this year.
Attention! Further information describes only those regions’ qualifiers for which UCC is responsible.
WESG has dropped the single nationality restriction from its rules for this year’s event. Now teams are allowed to have up to two foreigners on their rosters. This means that only three players have to be the representatives of the country.
StarCraft II Online qualifiers are non-monetary. Participants will compete for the slot at WESG Grand Final.
Qualifiers’ Format
Online Open qualifiers with a Single Elimination bracket
Online Closed qualifiers with a Double Elimination bracket
Final qualifiers are played in Bo5
Overall qualifiers
StarCraft II qualifiers necessarily include 2 Open qualifiers, according to the results of which the participants advance to the Closed qualifiers or Final qualifiers
Open qualifiers Finals
Some regions do not have Closed qualifiers and 2 participants from the Open Online qualifiers advance to the Qualifiers Finals to compete for a slot at WESG Asia Pacific Final:
West Asia, South Korea и MENA
Participants from Chinese Taipei will advance to the WESG China Final through Open qualifiers’ finals.
Participants from Africa will compete for the slot at the WESG Grand Final
Closed qualifiers
The number of participants that qualify for Closed qualifiers depends on the region.
In Closed qualifiers, participants from Open qualifiers and invited participants will compete for a slot at WESG Grand Final. The number of participants depends on the region.
Participants from the Asian Closed qualifiers advance to the WESG Asia Pacific Final
Slots distribution per region:
South Korea — 4 participants from open qualifiers and 4 invited participants
CIS — 2 participants from open qualifiers and 2 invited participants
East EU — 4 participants from open qualifiers and 4 invited participants
North EU — 4 participants from open qualifiers and 4 invited participants
Benelux — 2 participants from open qualifiers and 2 invited participants
France +Monaco + UK/GB — 4 participants from open qualifiers and 4 invited participants
Iberia — 2 participants from open qualifiers and 2 invited participants
German + Austria — 2 participants from open qualifiers and 2 invited participants
Central Europe — 2 participants from open qualifiers and 2 invited participants
It doesn't solve my doubts; we need to know how APAC finals work.
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On December 05 2019 19:33 sylow wrote:
APAC finals will be held in Kuala Lumpur in a month
Wow, where is it?
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I would imagine somewhere in the range of 6 to 8 people to qualify from APAC for the main event (2016 had 6, 2017 had 10, 2018 didn't have an extra APAC event). The devil would have to be at work for the Koreans to not take 4 of those spots.
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Really surprised that someone would choose Nation Wars over WESG qualifiers. I wonder if that means soO is worried about being able to travel in 2020. Take the guaranteed money over a mere possibility.
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Elentos
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On December 06 2019 01:08 Boggyb wrote:
Really surprised that someone would choose Nation Wars over WESG qualifiers. I wonder if that means soO is worried about being able to travel in 2020. Take the guaranteed money over a mere possibility.
Maybe he was just hoping he'd go through the winner bracket and after seeing he was in a losers' match with Rogue he felt trying from Europe was not worth his time.
Also regarding today's match, Armani really has potential. But the amount of units he just throws away with some of his army movements is staggering.
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Oof for Maru, being with the three players he dislikes playing the most.
Serral is the only foreigner that's a match for those four. All five of them are already the highest earners in sc2 (along with INno) as well.
Hopefully TY/Maru fall on the opposite bracket side to Rogue/Dark and a ZvZ final is avoided.
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On December 06 2019 02:53 Fango wrote:
Oof for Maru, being with the three players he dislikes playing the most.
Serral is the only foreigner that's a match for those four. All five of them are already the highest earners in sc2 (along with INno) as well.
Hopefully TY/Maru fall on the opposite bracket side to Rogue/Dark and a ZvZ final is avoided.
Reynor in HSC's form or even better(he's 17 yo and has been consistently improving in 2019) definitely can.
Rogue has struggled against Neeb in the past and Dark has shown multiple times he is vulnerable to EU's ZvZ(at the moment his overall form seems incredible, but will it be the same in three months?)
Inno will most likely be directly invited to WESG, and TvZ itself seems fine atm.
I would have definitely preferred to see at least one korean Protoss(ah, TY hasn't overtaken sOs when it comes to earnings, yet).
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Yeah the world pretty much has four top zergs (Dark, Rogue, Serral, Reynor) and three top terrans (TY, Inno, Maru). There doesn't really seem to be any top protoss though - not at that same level. Hopefully that's changed in a couple of months with the new patch and possibly further changes.
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On December 06 2019 05:05 sneakyfox wrote:
Yeah the world pretty much has four top zergs (Dark, Rogue, Serral, Reynor) and three top terrans (TY, Inno, Maru). There doesn't really seem to be any top protoss though - not at that same level. Hopefully that's changed in a couple of months with the new patch and possibly further changes.
I mean lst year the closest was probably Stats, Trap, Classic with the rest of the protosses sometimes getting near but falling off pretty quick again (herO. hurricane in one gsl etc.). But classic is gone, trap has a glaring PvZ weakness and Stats seems to not be as consistent as he once was.
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On December 06 2019 01:27 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2019 01:08 Boggyb wrote:
Really surprised that someone would choose Nation Wars over WESG qualifiers. I wonder if that means soO is worried about being able to travel in 2020. Take the guaranteed money over a mere possibility. Maybe he was just hoping he'd go through the winner bracket and after seeing he was in a losers' match with Rogue he felt trying from Europe was not worth his time. Also regarding today's match, Armani really has potential. But the amount of units he just throws away with some of his army movements is staggering.
If I were a pro player and I thought I had ~50% chance of defeating Rogue to qualify, I'd have pulled out of flying to France. The upside to WESG is just too high.
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On December 06 2019 06:16 Boggyb wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2019 01:27 Elentos wrote:On December 06 2019 01:08 Boggyb wrote:
Really surprised that someone would choose Nation Wars over WESG qualifiers. I wonder if that means soO is worried about being able to travel in 2020. Take the guaranteed money over a mere possibility. Maybe he was just hoping he'd go through the winner bracket and after seeing he was in a losers' match with Rogue he felt trying from Europe was not worth his time. Also regarding today's match, Armani really has potential. But the amount of units he just throws away with some of his army movements is staggering. If I were a pro player and I thought I had ~50% chance of defeating Rogue to qualify, I'd have pulled out of flying to France. The upside to WESG is just too high.
Currently soO would struggle to beat Rogue on equal ping, doing so with 200+ ping would very hard; I would have personally played, but not doing so is definitely not unreasonable.
The flight was probably booked already, soO is in Paris to represent South Korea; pulling out would have been of bad taste as well as greedy, considering that WESG by itself doesn't assure you a big sum of money. Also, might have problems to travel abroad or being outright forbidden to, next year.
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On December 06 2019 06:16 Boggyb wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2019 01:27 Elentos wrote:On December 06 2019 01:08 Boggyb wrote:
Really surprised that someone would choose Nation Wars over WESG qualifiers. I wonder if that means soO is worried about being able to travel in 2020. Take the guaranteed money over a mere possibility. Maybe he was just hoping he'd go through the winner bracket and after seeing he was in a losers' match with Rogue he felt trying from Europe was not worth his time. Also regarding today's match, Armani really has potential. But the amount of units he just throws away with some of his army movements is staggering. If I were a pro player and I thought I had ~50% chance of defeating Rogue to qualify, I'd have pulled out of flying to France. The upside to WESG is just too high.
This doesn't make sense. Even if he had defeated Rogue, he then needed to qualify in the APAC finals and then get top 8 in the Global finals to get money as opposed to NW 2019 he is already guaranteed money.
Also his flight was probably paid already (by the NW organizers I assume)
The result is you throw away a loooot of goodwill from the people and money for a veeeeery longshot. I would 100% take the safe bet that is NW and tried to play with bad ping vs Rogue.
EDIT: Let's be honest, I don't expect soO to be more than top 8 in WESG right now
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3 WESG terran champion VS 3 WCS zerg champion
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The best protoss that is qualified right now (and pretty much the only good one) is Showtime.. Silly that Canada + USA have only 1 spot combined, so Neeb isn t guaranteed yet.
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