EPTWESG 2019 Qualifiers - Page 11
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Elentos
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Nakajin
Canada8991 Posts
On December 16 2019 01:50 dbRic1203 wrote: I Don t understand how everyone is pretending that qualified Players for WESG is the most accurate measure to Balance. The Big Gabe invitational had a pretty even skill and race Distribution and a Terran won. Cheese XI is still going in and no Zerg is seen anywhere near the top. Not because it s imba, but because Zerg was just heaviely underrepresented at the top of competition. Same goes for wesg, I gues the only real upsets were Clem and Time, anything else looks pretty fine for me. It s just stupid, that they gave 4 spots to north europe, where it s only Zerg  I don't actually think it says much about balance itself (well Korea excluded) but: 1 It's really funny 2 It does reveal a patern of a lack of non-zerg players (and particularly terran) being at the forefront of their scene. For exemple there was a single T player in the 16 man chinese qualifier, not because there was any upset but because there's actually no other good T player (XY is kinda decent I guess) same in Australia guys like Seither, Azure or Iaguz could all be competing for a top spot but they don't really seem to be able to get there. Ryosis, PappiJoe, Bly/Hellraiser, 40 years old Ptak, Meomaika, SouLeer, Drager, Enderr, Demi, Risky/Probe... these are all guys that aren't particularly intimidating foe, yet they all manage to qualify. But if you look at Terran outside of Psiarc in Japan, and maybe Botvinnik who could have manage to beat SouLeer there isn't a region where you have a non top pro Terran as the best player, or even regularly in the top 4. Like why are almost none of the B-C tiers player terran? It's not a balance whine, it's just confusing, maybe the fact that no foreign terran is winning ever lead to some terran quit trying to be pro idk. The Americas have good terran player at least. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On December 16 2019 02:56 Nakajin wrote: I don't actually think it says much about balance itself (well Korea excluded) but: 1 It's really funny 2 It does reveal a patern of a lack of non-zerg players (and particularly terran) being at the forefront of their scene. For exemple there was a single T player in the 16 man chinese qualifier, not because there was any upset but because there's actually no other good T player (XY is kinda decent I guess) same in Australia guys like Seither, Azure or Iaguz could all be competing for a top spot but they don't really seem to be able to get there. Ryosis, PappiJoe, Bly/Hellraiser, 40 years old Ptak, Meomaika, SouLeer, Drager, Enderr, Demi, Risky/Probe... these are all guys that aren't particularly intimidating foe, yet they all manage to qualify. But if you look at Terran outside of Psiarc in Japan, and maybe Botvinnik who could have manage to beat SouLeer there isn't a region where you have a non top pro Terran as the best player, or even regularly in the top 4. Like why are almost none of the B-C tiers player terran? It's not a balance whine, it's just confusing, maybe the fact that no foreign terran is winning ever lead to some terran quit trying to be pro idk. The Americas have good terran player at least. If you look at GPL you will notice there are two Terran out of four players overall; XY is decent indeed, I have no idea what happened to Coffee who is the second best Terran in China. In China, however, Terran players always were a minority. Ryosis shouldn't have beaten Blueecheese, a Terran, but he did twice; also notice that Heromarine could have easily decided to qualify through Central Europe qualifiers if he wanted a safe direct spot to WESG, he just didn't want to. Aqueron is considerably better than Souleer but he wanted to focus on his studies, apparently(and he is not a top pro). In Ukraine, there are enough Terran at decent level, but Hellraiser is just better than Kas right now. Pappijoe qualified at the expense of Snute, there isn't anything to add. BeastyQT and goblin didn't play so that Ptak essentially received a bye. Don't make me remember that Clem won't be at WESG... There simply is a prevalance of Zerg in Europe and Asia(outside of Korea and Taiwan); in any of case, they are overrepresented at WESG 2019 because of a combination of favourite Terran players not showing or underperforming. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8991 Posts
On December 16 2019 06:16 Xain0n wrote: If you look at GPL you will notice there are two Terran out of four players overall; XY is decent indeed, I have no idea what happened to Coffee who is the second best Terran in China. In China, however, Terran players always were a minority. Ryosis shouldn't have beaten Blueecheese, a Terran, but he did twice; also notice that Heromarine could have easily decided to qualify through Central Europe qualifiers if he wanted a safe direct spot to WESG, he just didn't want to. Aqueron is considerably better than Souleer but he wanted to focus on his studies, apparently(and he is not a top pro). In Ukraine, there are enough Terran at decent level, but Hellraiser is just better than Kas right now. Pappijoe qualified at the expense of Snute, there isn't anything to add. BeastyQT and goblin didn't play so that Ptak essentially received a bye. Don't make me remember that Clem won't be at WESG... There simply is a prevalance of Zerg in Europe and Asia(outside of Korea and Taiwan); in any of case, they are overrepresented at WESG 2019 because of a combination of favourite Terran players not showing or underperforming. That's what I'm saying, I'm not saying it's about balance, but more that there's very little very good terran player. (not gonna lied I had forgot about Coffee) There's a few great one, the kind that play for Blizzcon spot, but the tier right bellow that there's almost no one. They either seem to stop playing after a short career (like Bunny, Beastyqt or Iaguz) or they stagnate or focus on other things. (Kas, Masa, Bradok, Lilikenin, Seither..) It's just weird that they are under represented everywhere but Kor and NA-Latam. | ||
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thickertom
China612 Posts
On December 16 2019 06:16 Xain0n wrote: If you look at GPL you will notice there are two Terran out of four players overall; XY is decent indeed, I have no idea what happened to Coffee who is the second best Terran in China. In China, however, Terran players always were a minority. Ryosis shouldn't have beaten Blueecheese, a Terran, but he did twice; also notice that Heromarine could have easily decided to qualify through Central Europe qualifiers if he wanted a safe direct spot to WESG, he just didn't want to. Aqueron is considerably better than Souleer but he wanted to focus on his studies, apparently(and he is not a top pro). In Ukraine, there are enough Terran at decent level, but Hellraiser is just better than Kas right now. Pappijoe qualified at the expense of Snute, there isn't anything to add. BeastyQT and goblin didn't play so that Ptak essentially received a bye. Don't make me remember that Clem won't be at WESG... There simply is a prevalance of Zerg in Europe and Asia(outside of Korea and Taiwan); in any of case, they are overrepresented at WESG 2019 because of a combination of favourite Terran players not showing or underperforming. In Mainland China. the Terran players are few all the time. After Loner was retired, for a long time, only XY and Ein were seen in the Chinese matches. However, at the beginning of LotV, many Terran players appear - TIME, Shana (Protoss turns into Terran, he was even a Zerg player in 2013), Chick (MSK), Coffee, SaberAltoria and so on. After "June 10, 2017", TIME became "the only one" and the strongest player in Mainland China. | ||
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Elentos
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Kashim
Poland1244 Posts
On January 04 2020 03:43 Elentos wrote: So hold on, TIME forfeited the possible APAC qualifier spot because of some sort of schedule conflict between APAC final and GPC. GPC was today, and APAC is over a month away? they rescheduled APAC qualifier few days ago to new date xD | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On January 04 2020 03:45 Kashim wrote: they rescheduled APAC qualifier few days ago to new date xD Wonderful. Well I assume they'll invite TIME anyway so maybe we could get some lesser known players through APAC. WESG is a bit all over the place. I saw on reddit the organizers of the NA qualifier say they made changes and the top 4 of NA will go to the main event instead of just Neeb (so also MaSa, Future and Scarlett) but there's no official notice and also no explanation where those 3 extra spots are going to come from all of a sudden. Do they just take away 2 from APAC and have 1 less invitee? Do they just add an extra player to every group? Who knows? Do they know? | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On January 04 2020 05:06 MarianoSC2 wrote: And what about the GSL crew? Are those 4 already qualified for main event or will there be another qualifier? This is so confusing... That part's easy, it's even on Liquipedia. They qualified for the APAC qualifier. A certain amount of people from the APAC qualifier go to the main event. The crazy stuff is all the important things nobody knows because communication from WESG's side is  | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8991 Posts
On January 04 2020 05:35 Elentos wrote: That part's easy, it's even on Liquipedia. They qualified for the APAC qualifier. A certain amount of people from the APAC qualifier go to the main event. The crazy stuff is all the important things nobody knows because communication from WESG's side is I have a thing for chinese player and the SEA players, who played in a qualifier to qualify for a qualifier where they were good but not good enough so they have to play in another qualifier. | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On January 04 2020 06:50 Nakajin wrote: I have a thing for chinese player and the SEA players, who played in a qualifier to qualify for a qualifier where they were good but not good enough so they have to play in another qualifier. Where we throw in the Koreans to bully them. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On January 04 2020 03:48 Elentos wrote: Wonderful. Well I assume they'll invite TIME anyway so maybe we could get some lesser known players through APAC. WESG is a bit all over the place. I saw on reddit the organizers of the NA qualifier say they made changes and the top 4 of NA will go to the main event instead of just Neeb (so also MaSa, Future and Scarlett) but there's no official notice and also no explanation where those 3 extra spots are going to come from all of a sudden. Do they just take away 2 from APAC and have 1 less invitee? Do they just add an extra player to every group? Who knows? Do they know? NA part wasn't hard as well, the players qualified for WESG didn't add up to 48 anyway; it was hard to imagine Latin America sending 4 players while only Neeb would have been the only one from North America. It appears that APAC qualifiers will grant 8 spots, so koreans bullying Chinese players would not mean they are out. TIME, Serral, Inno will most likely be invited. | ||
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sneakyfox
8218 Posts
https://www.wesg.com/en/article1?id=160216 | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8991 Posts
On January 23 2020 22:05 sneakyfox wrote: The APAC qualifier has been cancelled due to the coronavirus. No news yet as to what will happen instead. https://www.wesg.com/en/article1?id=160216 huh... well since I had not realize it wasn't an online event, there's no harm done on the Starcraft side for me. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On January 23 2020 22:31 Nakajin wrote: huh... well since I had not realize it wasn't an online event, there's no harm done on the Starcraft side for me. Maybe they could just play it online. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8991 Posts
Ya it seems like a nobrainer. Hopefully (and because of things more important than WESG) the quarantine will be lifted when the main event comes around. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10893 Posts
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