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- Qualifiers: October 2019 - [???] 2019/2020
- Main event: March 2020
- SC2 Prize pool: $300,000
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WESG 2019 Qualifiers
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Waxangel
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Poopi
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This is quite a sick tournament, I just realized it was now | ||
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Waxangel
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On a side note, it's odd that Dark doesn't get an invitational seed? Are they just gonna invite two Chinese players, Serral, and INnoVation? | ||
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Xain0n
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On December 03 2019 19:37 Waxangel wrote: Rogue vs Dark is a fun alternate world Blizzcon championship match. On a side note, it's odd that Dark doesn't get an invitational seed? Are they just gonna invite two Chinese players, Serral, and INnoVation? Well, they would be inviting the last two finalists, I find it reasonable. Dark is already qualified for Katowice, on the other hand! Brackets tell us Rogue vs Dark would have been an alternate ro4 match at BlizzCon. | ||
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On December 03 2019 19:37 Waxangel wrote: On a side note, it's odd that Dark doesn't get an invitational seed? Are they just gonna invite two Chinese players, Serral, and INnoVation? The weirdest part of it is that the are having four players qualify from Northern Europe alone. And Serral is not one of them. | ||
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Aeromi
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On December 03 2019 20:30 sneakyfox wrote: The weirdest part of it is that the are having four players qualify from Northern Europe alone. And Serral is not one of them. Keep in mind that SC2 is not the only game for WESG, Northern Europe is super stacked in Counter Strike. | ||
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sneakyfox
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On December 03 2019 20:33 Aeromi wrote: Keep in mind that SC2 is not the only game for WESG, Northern Europe is super stacked in Counter Strike. Sure but why make the numbers equal for all tournaments? Makes no sense to me at all. We get 21 players from Europe and 3 from Korea. At the very least the should not invite any players until all qualifiers are played. Then they could invite those who are missing the most. | ||
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Poopi
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On December 03 2019 20:30 D-light wrote: Baller hold-position lurkers by Armani. He took a game off of Maru with lurkers? What has this patch brought :o | ||
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darklycid
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On December 03 2019 20:40 Poopi wrote: He took a game off of Maru with lurkers? What has this patch brought :o More things to complain about  | ||
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D-light
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On December 03 2019 20:40 Poopi wrote: He took a game off of Maru with lurkers? What has this patch brought :o Yup. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Poopi
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TY will have a hard path through losers bracket | ||
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darklycid
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On December 03 2019 21:09 Poopi wrote: Gg Maru! One more, tomorrow! Should be doable. TY will have a hard path through losers bracket TY already beat the best pvt now he just has to beat the (probably) best zvt. | ||
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Xain0n
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On December 03 2019 22:24 Obamarauder wrote: WESG Korea qualifiers should be blizzcon I warmly suggest you to look at 2014's VODs and results, you'll feel more comfortable. | ||
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Poopi
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He had such an easy bracket and didn't need to qualify from the open qualifiers though, but still nice to qualify easily | ||
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Xain0n
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Also, these are the qualifiers for the APAC qualifiers; how many people will qualify from those(or better, how many korean players can we expect to be qualified for WESG)? | ||
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Poopi
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On December 03 2019 23:33 Xain0n wrote: Those lower brackets are puzzling me, they keep matching people from the same upper bracket? Also, these are the qualifiers for the APAC qualifiers; how many people will qualify from those(or better, how many korean players can we expect to be qualified for WESG)? What it's not yet the qualifiers for WESG? How many qualifiers do you need to go through to qualify for this event wtf lol Koreans have it hundred times harder than foreigners in that tournament :/ | ||
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dbRic1203
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On December 03 2019 23:39 Poopi wrote: What it's not yet the qualifiers for WESG? How many qualifiers do you need to go through to qualify for this event wtf lol Koreans have it hundred times harder than foreigners in that tournament :/ And on the other hand there are 4 spots for north Europe.. That doesn t make sense at all. I think there are 7 or 8 spots for all of APAC, so all 3 Koreans should get out I gues. I m pretty much the opposite of an GSL Elitist myselfe, but I still think this isn t fair or good for the overall competition  | ||
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Xain0n
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However, in the past we had only 3 koreans to WESG's main event, invitations included. Will there be 5(Inno is almost granted) this year? | ||
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Wardi
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On December 03 2019 22:52 sneakyfox wrote: Why should it be a draw Wardi? Looks like a terran win to me. BC couldn't kill the queens without dying, obviously if Maru can fly around and get units up which he did its not a draw. Just the caster thing of being excited about the possibility of a draw you know | ||
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sneakyfox
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On December 04 2019 00:22 Wardi wrote: BC couldn't kill the queens without dying, obviously if Maru can fly around and get units up which he did its not a draw. Just the caster thing of being excited about the possibility of a draw you know Yeah it's cool Just random thoughts during the game.Do you have any idea why they match the same players who already played in the upper bracket together again in the lower bracket? Surely this is a mistake. Makes bracket luck much more of a thing, and is less interesting to see the same matchups again. | ||
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On December 03 2019 23:33 Xain0n wrote: Those lower brackets are puzzling me, they keep matching players with the loser of the same upper bracket's qualifier? It's a bit strange indeed, usually double elim brackets get inverted at some point as to avoid rematches. With the bracket as it's on Liquipedia we might as well look at this as 2 GSL style groups with best of 5 matches. | ||
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On December 04 2019 18:28 Ej_ wrote: Dark makes TvZ look unwinnable Very much so. I do wonder tho why TY doesn't keep his cyclones with his BCs and use the hellions for defence. The cyclones are fast enough to get away if the need to, and hellions are better against lings and locusts anyway. | ||
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HolydaKing
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Also in the 2nd game TY won quite convincingly tbh. | ||
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Ej_
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On December 04 2019 18:36 HolydaKing wrote: TY not upgrading air weapons for so long was questionable since most of his army power seemed to be his BCs (and those attack quickly). Also 2nd game he won quite convincingly tbh. The game began with a successful 2rax and a failed bane bust followup. Then it took him 10 more minutes to finish Dark off. | ||
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HolydaKing
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On December 04 2019 18:40 Ej_ wrote: The game began with a successful 2rax and a failed bane bust followup. Then it took him 10 more minutes to finish Dark off. To be fair, he only had like 4-6 banelings morphed and TY built and canceled a lot of stuff and pulled SCVs for a long time, but yes he had a lot of lings he didn't need at that point. | ||
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sneakyfox
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On December 04 2019 18:40 Ej_ wrote: The game began with a successful 2rax and a failed bane bust followup. Then it took him 10 more minutes to finish Dark off. Not to mention the 25 drones that went down to BC/hellion harass. | ||
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Poopi
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TY seems on fire these qualifiers, he might beat Dark even | ||
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Ej_
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On December 04 2019 18:55 sneakyfox wrote: When the zerg is rich enough to kill thors with banes you kinda know which way things are heading. Big NesTea energy | ||
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On December 04 2019 18:57 dbRic1203 wrote: Yesterday Dream beat Solar in Olimoleague finals, so I think TvZ is winnable and we shouldn t make balance assumptions this early into the new patch. Especially not watching the de facto best ZvT Player, Dark. He should be favoured against any Terran but Maru. Maru was lucky to have been in the bottom bracket lol | ||
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sneakyfox
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That said, we have seen similar things from Dark in the past. The real cockroach, just won't die. | ||
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On December 04 2019 19:02 sneakyfox wrote: Dark is crazy good. It is very hard to see what the Terran is supposed to do better than what TY did there. Consistently getting good eco damage done but still not far ahead. And as soon as he moves out, the runbys just pull him apart. Zerg can take so much economic damage and still be in a playable position. Giant maps I guess. That said, we have seen similar things from Dark in the past. The real cockroach, just won't die. You can say it was the economy, but Dark had equal or fewer bases past midgame (which obviously is better for the guy with MULEs). However, up until the ghosts came into play, he was ahead in resources lost which shouldn't happen in ZvT, but somehow it does with Dark playing ravagers. | ||
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On December 04 2019 19:04 Ej_ wrote: You can say it was the economy, but Dark had equal or fewer bases past midgame (which obviously is better for the guy with MULEs). However, up until the ghosts came into play, he was ahead in resources lost which shouldn't happen in ZvT, but somehow it does with Dark playing ravagers. Just too good I guess. Also, it's not hard to see why Terrans consistently go for BCs in this matchup. Seems like by far the strongest opening. | ||
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On December 04 2019 19:24 Ej_ wrote: Hey, Dark is doing my build! Thanks for ruining a great series. | ||
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On December 04 2019 19:28 Ej_ wrote: Did Dark actually panic-cancel the spire for roaches and remake it right away? Probably just a BM-cancel. | ||
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dbRic1203
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Luckiely they fixed the bracket, so we still have a chance to see TY qualifieing, should dooable against Zest | ||
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Harris1st
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On December 04 2019 19:44 dbRic1203 wrote: I can t stand the whinning in Twitch chat anymore. TY lost, because he didn t see an all in coming and was light years behind afterwards. That has nothing to do with ballance. Luckiely they fixed the bracket, so we still have a chance to see TY qualifieing, should dooable against Zest I have never in my life watched twitch with the chat open and will never do so. | ||
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BerserkSword
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On December 04 2019 19:35 Ej_ wrote: Peition to ban this godawful ultralisk skin. This is the best ultralisk skin of sc2 Brood war design > sc2 design | ||
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Poopi
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On December 04 2019 19:52 ilax30 wrote: Twitch chat even whines when zerg wins with good 'ol ling bane and maybe a few BL. Barely see any infestors, way less use of nydus+SH, no infested terrans that shred air.. Yet ppl still want zerg to be nerfed another 5 times. I don't know how the balance is atm, but people are a bit too quick to forget that banelings were buffed for virtually no reason soon after ByuN won BlizzCon, so ling bane is actually quite strong by itself. I didn't check but according to HeroMarine it even trades decently when not looked at. So it's not really "good old ling bane" but enhanced ling bane. I'd be fine with any of TY / Trap / Rogue qualifying, so unless Zest gets good again for a few matches I'm pretty safe :D | ||
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BerserkSword
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User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Ej_
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On December 04 2019 20:03 BerserkSword wrote: This is the best ultralisk skin of sc2 Brood war design > sc2 design it's a janky square model that looks like it was a taken from the first Tomb Raider game, doesn't matter what game it was inspired by | ||
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BerserkSword
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On December 04 2019 20:48 Ej_ wrote: it's a janky square model that looks like it was a taken from the first Tomb Raider game, doesn't matter what game it was inspired by What do you mean square model lol Looks sleek to me | ||
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On December 04 2019 20:49 BerserkSword wrote: What do you mean square model lol Looks sleek to me + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/gallery/5SLGZGJYU1EK1569432887826.jpg) It looks out of place in SC2, more akin to a creature that Lara Croft would shoot at in the Atlantis levels. | ||
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BerserkSword
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On December 04 2019 21:03 Ej_ wrote: + Show Spoiler + It looks out of place in SC2, more akin to a creature that Lara Croft would shoot at in the Atlantis levels. Lol Tfw never played tomb raider | ||
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Harris1st
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EDIT: 8:0 right now O.o | ||
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BerserkSword
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On December 04 2019 21:12 Harris1st wrote: I haven't seen the games but is PvZ that crazy? Or were they close games with Z beeing a little bit more clutch? EDIT: 8:0 right now O.o None of them were really close. It’s honestly sad what was done to Protoss but that’s all I’ll say on the matter I’ll probably go back to watching brood war at this rate lol | ||
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Xain0n
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That Ultralisk skin is atrocious indeed. Not having a korean Protoss at WESG again is boring, I'm honestly starting to be worried for real. | ||
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Harris1st
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On December 04 2019 21:32 darklycid wrote: I still think the problem with zerg is deeper than just some strong units, the whole race profited so much from the lotv core changes i feel and the maps (which could absolutely make a difference) are not helping. Maps is probably the BIGGEST (pun intended) problem right now, I agree | ||
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Xain0n
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On December 04 2019 21:32 darklycid wrote: I still think the problem with zerg is deeper than just some strong units, the whole race profited so much from the lotv core changes i feel and the maps (which could absolutely make a difference) are not helping. It took them more than three years to fruit of the changes done in LoTV, three years ago? I'm not convinced at all. Serral was the anomaly in 2018, Zerg were fine; and Protoss were too, they were just stopped time and time again by Serral and Maru(look at the collection of second places they took). Then, after the much dreaded Protoss Spring that produced two tournaments out of balance(only one won by Protoss players), the race was consistently following the enlightened opinion of the most vocal part of Sc2's community, resulting in Zerg running rampant everywhere for months. I think, too, that having a more varied array of maps will be sufficient to contain Zerg; as for Protoss, we'll see. This patch was released not much ago. | ||
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darklycid
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On December 04 2019 21:52 Xain0n wrote: It took them more than three years to fruit of the changes done in LoTV, three years ago? I'm not convinced at all. Serral was the anomaly in 2018, Zerg were fine; and Protoss were too, they were just stopped time and time again by Serral and Maru(look at the collection of second places they took). Then, after the much dreaded Protoss Spring that produced two tournaments out of balance(only one won by Protoss players), the race was consistently following the enlightened opinion of the most vocal part of Sc2's community, resulting in Zerg running rampant everywhere for months. I think, too, that having a more varied array of maps will be sufficient to contain Zerg; as for Protoss, we'll see. This patch was released not much ago. I don't think you can say that it took 3 years: 2017 Zerg was really good already with all the stuff just put off by having a (back then way) weaker lategame so they tried to win in the midgame (hydra all in anyone), 2018 i think many zergs needed adjustments, as hydra bane got weaker and lategame became better, so lategame zergs flourished more (Rogue, Serral) which lead to a more or less balanced year(also i dont think maps were as bad back then). This year toss started good as robo stuff wasn't that figured out but once it was (+ nerfs) zerg just ran rampage, current patch i don't wanna comment yet, but i think maps are way too good for zergs currently. | ||
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Xain0n
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On December 04 2019 22:01 darklycid wrote: I don't think you can say that it took 3 years: 2017 Zerg was really good already with all the stuff just put off by having a (back then way) weaker lategame so they tried to win in the midgame (hydra all in anyone), 2018 i think many zergs needed adjustments, as hydra bane got weaker and lategame became better, so lategame zergs flourished more (Rogue, Serral) which lead to a more or less balanced year(also i dont think maps were as bad back then). This year toss started good as robo stuff wasn't that figured out but once it was (+ nerfs) zerg just ran rampage, current patch i don't wanna comment yet, but i think maps are way too good for zergs currently. It took Zerg more than three years to make become dominant in a nasty way(and, to be honest, I am quite convinced it was the combination of favourable balance and certain players being exceptionally strong or in otherwordly shape); if LoTV gave Zerg too many advantages, as you are implying(am I wrong?), we would have seen them dominating earlier. Before LoTV(and before 2018, to say the truth), Zerg was the least successful race, even considering the BL Infestor era that apparently traumatized so many Sc2 viewers and I am glad they eventually saw great success; I think the current patch is more than a step in the right direction and that the overabundance of large maps in the pool added to the issues Protoss are having is what makes many perceive them as still too strong. I am more concerned with Protoss being possibly underpowered than with Zerg being apparently unstoppable, to be honest; it's also relevant that Protoss will be suffering the most due the current/next wave of retirements in korean scene and, at least at the moment, it seems me that they are the race with the least promising prospects in the foreigner scene. | ||
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darklycid
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On December 04 2019 22:43 Xain0n wrote: It took Zerg more than three years to make become dominant in a nasty way(and, to be honest, I am quite convinced it was the combination of favourable balance and certain players being exceptionally strong or in otherwordly shape); if LoTV gave Zerg too many advantages, as you are implying(am I wrong?), we would have seen them dominating earlier. Before LoTV(and before 2018, to say the truth), Zerg was the least successful race, even considering the BL Infestor era that apparently traumatized so many Sc2 viewers and I am glad they eventually saw great success; I think the current patch is more than a step in the right direction and that the overabundance of large maps in the pool added to the issues Protoss are having is what makes many perceive them as still too strong. I am more concerned with Protoss being possibly underpowered than with Zerg being apparently unstoppable, to be honest; it's also relevant that Protoss will be suffering the most due the current/next wave of retirements in korean scene and, at least at the moment, it seems me that they are the race with the least promising prospects in the foreigner scene. Afaik Zerg was considered pretty strong 2017 (if not for neeb probably OP) we had 4 different zerg finalists in 2017 and on ZvZ iirc and only neeb was able to stop them from winning all of it. So 2017 Zerg already was pretty dominant (also ZvZ finals at blizzcon) | ||
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Xain0n
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On December 04 2019 22:50 darklycid wrote: Afaik Zerg was considered pretty strong 2017 (if not for neeb probably OP) we had 4 different zerg finalists in 2017 and on ZvZ iirc and only neeb was able to stop them from winning all of it. So 2017 Zerg already was pretty dominant (also ZvZ finals at blizzcon) Zerg dominating WCS is a natural trend, balance is very rarely the reason for that to happen. Zerg wasn't in a bad spot at the end of 2017, for sure, but that's not comparable to what happened at the end of 2019. | ||
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On December 04 2019 23:02 Xain0n wrote: Zerg dominating WCS is a natural trend, balance is very rarely the reason for that to happen. Zerg wasn't in a bad spot at the end of 2017, for sure, but that's not comparable to what happened at the end of 2019. I'd disagree (talking from a pvz prespective) i think zerg was just held back by a lategame that wasn't as good as the protoss one (also by a lack of units that scaled with player skill) so a few protoss that were really good at surviving the midgame could then stomp zergs in the lategame. But end of 2017 wasn't a nice time for protoss, we had 3 players in the global finals and 1 in the playoffs. I agree tho that 2019 was better for zergs because they were now actually bonkers in lategame and still had enough midgame strength (which i'd argue is by the core changes from lotv) to repell anything else (especially on the maps we had). Edit: Not talking bout swarmhost nydus in this one which was just an abomination of a strategy that has nothing to do with the points i wanna make here :D | ||
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On December 04 2019 21:03 Ej_ wrote: + Show Spoiler + It looks out of place in SC2, more akin to a creature that Lara Croft would shoot at in the Atlantis levels. What they actually need to fix is the animation. It took me a while to realize why it seemed weird, but the og ultralisk actually used to run properly on 4 legs, front leading the back. This side to side thing looks all wrong and is only masked by the bulk of the SC2 Ultralisk to not look weird otherwise. | ||
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Moonerz
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On December 04 2019 21:52 Xain0n wrote: It took them more than three years to fruit of the changes done in LoTV, three years ago? I'm not convinced at all. Serral was the anomaly in 2018, Zerg were fine; and Protoss were too, they were just stopped time and time again by Serral and Maru(look at the collection of second places they took). Then, after the much dreaded Protoss Spring that produced two tournaments out of balance(only one won by Protoss players), the race was consistently following the enlightened opinion of the most vocal part of Sc2's community, resulting in Zerg running rampant everywhere for months. I think, too, that having a more varied array of maps will be sufficient to contain Zerg; as for Protoss, we'll see. This patch was released not much ago. I agree. PvT was and still is a pretty rough matchup for T, but in that patch for some reason they really messed with PvZ. I guess the Zergs were smart and jumped on the protoss hate bandwagon. I really wish sc2 was more proactive in using the maps to help balance the game instead, maybe let tournies use modified map pools idk. | ||
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On December 05 2019 01:08 Wombat_NI wrote: Anyone got a link to the brackets for these qualifiers?  World Electronic Sports Games/2019 then navigate to what you want | ||
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WombaT
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On December 05 2019 01:49 WardiTV wrote: World Electronic Sports Games/2019 then navigate to what you wantCheers, got a good chuckle that it’s a South Korean and Mongolia qualifier, seems bizarre to attach Mongolia to the most brutal qualifier! | ||
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On December 05 2019 02:38 Wombat_NI wrote: Cheers, got a good chuckle that it’s a South Korean and Mongolia qualifier, seems bizarre to attach Mongolia to the most brutal qualifier! Mongolia did not get a single spot for the SC2 tournament this year, so it does not matter. | ||
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Waxangel
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On December 05 2019 03:09 Ej_ wrote: Mongolia did not get a single spot for the SC2 tournament this year, so it does not matter. It's funny so it DOES matter Also RIP sioras  | ||
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Waxangel
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[COULD USE A FEW LESS BC RUSHES THO] | ||
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Waxangel
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On December 05 2019 18:38 Geo.Rion wrote: huh, soO forfeits because of NW, unfortunate damn, hate when this kind of scheduling conflict can't be resolved | ||
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dbRic1203
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On December 05 2019 18:41 Waxangel wrote: damn, hate when this kind of scheduling conflict can't be resolved I have the feeling, that WESG just doesn t care at all.. | ||
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On December 05 2019 18:54 dbRic1203 wrote: I have the feeling, that WESG just doesn t care at all.. WESG moved his matches so he didn't have to play on his travelling day. They can't just delay qualifiers, they have a schedule to run to because these guys have to play the APAC Finals at some point and they have to organize logistics etc. | ||
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Harris1st
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Can anybody even get into France with whats going on there? | ||
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Poopi
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On December 05 2019 19:07 Harris1st wrote: Is soO already in France? Can anybody even get into France with whats going on there? Yes they got there yesterday so they weren't affected by the strikes starting today. I don't know where they stay though, but probably near enough to the studios so there won't be a problem. Most other players got there yesterday as well (Italy / France / Korea at least, dunno about Finland team -> source: https://twitter.com/MrAlgost) | ||
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On December 05 2019 19:04 WardiTV wrote: WESG moved his matches so he didn't have to play on his travelling day. They can't just delay qualifiers, they have a schedule to run to because these guys have to play the APAC Finals at some point and they have to organize logistics etc. Completly forgot about the APAC Finals. Then it makes way more sense, that they want to finish all Asian Qualifiers ASAP | ||
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On December 05 2019 19:10 Poopi wrote: Yes they got there yesterday so they weren't affected by the strikes starting today. I don't know where they stay though, but probably near enough to the studios so there won't be a problem. Most other players got there yesterday as well (Italy / France / Korea at least, dunno about Finland team -> source: https://twitter.com/MrAlgost) I bet the whole strike thing was planned to win NW! Cheeky French! | ||
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On December 05 2019 19:23 Harris1st wrote: Does building armor help vs corruptor spray? I have no idea I bet the whole strike thing was planned to win NW! Cheeky French! It's a spell so armor doesn't help. | ||
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On December 05 2019 18:41 Waxangel wrote: damn, hate when this kind of scheduling conflict can't be resolved soO could have played from our office, he decided to not play. | ||
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On December 05 2019 19:33 sylow wrote: APAC finals will be held in Kuala Lumpur in a month I am still wondering how many koreans can qualify through APAC finals(or better, how many spots will it give since no player will be able to contest one of their spots). | ||
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On December 05 2019 19:46 Xain0n wrote: I am still wondering how many koreans can qualify through APAC finals(or better, how many spots will it give since no player will be able to contest one of their spots). Since it gives 8 spots, I'm guessing all 4 Koreans will qualify. I don't think they are giving too many direct seeds from the APAC region (if any besides HongKong) | ||
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On December 05 2019 19:35 Aeromi wrote: soO could have played from our office, he decided to not play. No confidence vs Rogue? Pity | ||
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i imagine it would have been on Korea server, with Rouge being in KR, and soO in france, he would have been at a disadvantage | ||
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On December 05 2019 19:50 Harris1st wrote: Since it gives 8 spots, I'm guessing all 4 Koreans will qualify. I don't think they are giving too many direct seeds from the APAC region (if any besides HongKong) There were never more than 2/3 koreans qualifying, I am also not sure when to trust Liquipedia on WESG:American qualifiers will send 8 players but they are apparently only 6 when you sum up all the spots given by the local qualifiers; not to mention APAC qualifiers give 8 spots but Gogojoey is somehow still through? | ||
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StarCraft 2 is one of the disciplines that WESG has been including every year since the foundation of the tournament. This year's StarCraft 2 Open Online qualifiers are scheduled from November 14 to December 30. Closed qualifiers are scheduled from November 22 to December 14. UCC will organize and host online qualifiers this year. Attention! Further information describes only those regions’ qualifiers for which UCC is responsible. WESG has dropped the single nationality restriction from its rules for this year’s event. Now teams are allowed to have up to two foreigners on their rosters. This means that only three players have to be the representatives of the country. StarCraft II Online qualifiers are non-monetary. Participants will compete for the slot at WESG Grand Final. Qualifiers’ Format Online Open qualifiers with a Single Elimination bracket Online Closed qualifiers with a Double Elimination bracket Final qualifiers are played in Bo5 Overall qualifiers StarCraft II qualifiers necessarily include 2 Open qualifiers, according to the results of which the participants advance to the Closed qualifiers or Final qualifiers Open qualifiers Finals Some regions do not have Closed qualifiers and 2 participants from the Open Online qualifiers advance to the Qualifiers Finals to compete for a slot at WESG Asia Pacific Final: West Asia, South Korea и MENA Participants from Chinese Taipei will advance to the WESG China Final through Open qualifiers’ finals. Participants from Africa will compete for the slot at the WESG Grand Final Closed qualifiers The number of participants that qualify for Closed qualifiers depends on the region. In Closed qualifiers, participants from Open qualifiers and invited participants will compete for a slot at WESG Grand Final. The number of participants depends on the region. Participants from the Asian Closed qualifiers advance to the WESG Asia Pacific Final Slots distribution per region: South Korea — 4 participants from open qualifiers and 4 invited participants CIS — 2 participants from open qualifiers and 2 invited participants East EU — 4 participants from open qualifiers and 4 invited participants North EU — 4 participants from open qualifiers and 4 invited participants Benelux — 2 participants from open qualifiers and 2 invited participants France +Monaco + UK/GB — 4 participants from open qualifiers and 4 invited participants Iberia — 2 participants from open qualifiers and 2 invited participants German + Austria — 2 participants from open qualifiers and 2 invited participants Central Europe — 2 participants from open qualifiers and 2 invited participants | ||
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It doesn't solve my doubts; we need to know how APAC finals work. | ||
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On December 05 2019 19:33 sylow wrote: APAC finals will be held in Kuala Lumpur in a month Wow, where is it? | ||
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On December 06 2019 01:08 Boggyb wrote: Really surprised that someone would choose Nation Wars over WESG qualifiers. I wonder if that means soO is worried about being able to travel in 2020. Take the guaranteed money over a mere possibility. Maybe he was just hoping he'd go through the winner bracket and after seeing he was in a losers' match with Rogue he felt trying from Europe was not worth his time. Also regarding today's match, Armani really has potential. But the amount of units he just throws away with some of his army movements is staggering. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Serral is the only foreigner that's a match for those four. All five of them are already the highest earners in sc2 (along with INno) as well. Hopefully TY/Maru fall on the opposite bracket side to Rogue/Dark and a ZvZ final is avoided. | ||
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On December 06 2019 02:53 Fango wrote: Oof for Maru, being with the three players he dislikes playing the most. Serral is the only foreigner that's a match for those four. All five of them are already the highest earners in sc2 (along with INno) as well. Hopefully TY/Maru fall on the opposite bracket side to Rogue/Dark and a ZvZ final is avoided. Reynor in HSC's form or even better(he's 17 yo and has been consistently improving in 2019) definitely can. Rogue has struggled against Neeb in the past and Dark has shown multiple times he is vulnerable to EU's ZvZ(at the moment his overall form seems incredible, but will it be the same in three months?) Inno will most likely be directly invited to WESG, and TvZ itself seems fine atm. I would have definitely preferred to see at least one korean Protoss(ah, TY hasn't overtaken sOs when it comes to earnings, yet). | ||
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darklycid
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On December 06 2019 05:05 sneakyfox wrote: Yeah the world pretty much has four top zergs (Dark, Rogue, Serral, Reynor) and three top terrans (TY, Inno, Maru). There doesn't really seem to be any top protoss though - not at that same level. Hopefully that's changed in a couple of months with the new patch and possibly further changes. I mean lst year the closest was probably Stats, Trap, Classic with the rest of the protosses sometimes getting near but falling off pretty quick again (herO. hurricane in one gsl etc.). But classic is gone, trap has a glaring PvZ weakness and Stats seems to not be as consistent as he once was. | ||
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On December 06 2019 01:27 Elentos wrote: Maybe he was just hoping he'd go through the winner bracket and after seeing he was in a losers' match with Rogue he felt trying from Europe was not worth his time. Also regarding today's match, Armani really has potential. But the amount of units he just throws away with some of his army movements is staggering. If I were a pro player and I thought I had ~50% chance of defeating Rogue to qualify, I'd have pulled out of flying to France. The upside to WESG is just too high. | ||
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Italy3963 Posts
On December 06 2019 06:16 Boggyb wrote: If I were a pro player and I thought I had ~50% chance of defeating Rogue to qualify, I'd have pulled out of flying to France. The upside to WESG is just too high. Currently soO would struggle to beat Rogue on equal ping, doing so with 200+ ping would very hard; I would have personally played, but not doing so is definitely not unreasonable. The flight was probably booked already, soO is in Paris to represent South Korea; pulling out would have been of bad taste as well as greedy, considering that WESG by itself doesn't assure you a big sum of money. Also, might have problems to travel abroad or being outright forbidden to, next year. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6806 Posts
On December 06 2019 06:16 Boggyb wrote: If I were a pro player and I thought I had ~50% chance of defeating Rogue to qualify, I'd have pulled out of flying to France. The upside to WESG is just too high. This doesn't make sense. Even if he had defeated Rogue, he then needed to qualify in the APAC finals and then get top 8 in the Global finals to get money as opposed to NW 2019 he is already guaranteed money. Also his flight was probably paid already (by the NW organizers I assume) The result is you throw away a loooot of goodwill from the people and money for a veeeeery longshot. I would 100% take the safe bet that is NW and tried to play with bad ping vs Rogue. EDIT: Let's be honest, I don't expect soO to be more than top 8 in WESG right now | ||
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On December 06 2019 19:25 dbRic1203 wrote: The best protoss that is qualified right now (and pretty much the only good one) is Showtime.. Silly that Canada + USA have only 1 spot combined, so Neeb isn t guaranteed yet. lol just saw that Scarlett and Neeb have to duke it out. My money is on Neeb though I have no idea in what shape these two are right now | ||
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twitch.tv/relogmedia Prequalifiers : https://challonge.com/5ms8rzwe | ||
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On December 03 2019 19:44 Xain0n wrote: Well, they would be inviting the last two finalists, I find it reasonable. Dark is already qualified for Katowice, on the other hand! ... According to liquipedia, for WESG that occurred in 2019, they invited Maru and Serral. However, first and second place the year prior were Maru and Dark. Do their procedures seem to be inconsistent? Are there no procedures, and they just give invites to whoever they feel like it? P.S. It seems weird that it is a South Korean and Mongolian qualifier. @Elentos Thanks for the input! | ||
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On December 07 2019 03:05 texture13 wrote: According to liquipedia, for WESG that occurred in 2019, they invited Maru and Serral. However, first and second place the year prior were Maru and Dark. Do their procedures seem to be inconsistent? Are there no procedures, and they just give invites to whoever they feel like it? Part of the nature of WESG is that things change every year for no apparent reason. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8988 Posts
On December 07 2019 03:12 Elentos wrote: Part of the nature of WESG is that things change every year for no apparent reason. That and the one guy showing up alone and getting to China without having played a single map are great tradition of WESG. Also: Wooo I'm back! | ||
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Master of DalK
Canada1797 Posts
On December 06 2019 19:25 dbRic1203 wrote: The best protoss that is qualified right now (and pretty much the only good one) is Showtime.. Silly that Canada + USA have only 1 spot combined, so Neeb isn t guaranteed yet. I've been told ahead of our show we might be able to get both to go, so they're just playing for a difference in money. For note, WESG NA Final is up at twitch.tv/WorldGaming in about 3 hours! | ||
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Geo.Rion
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On December 09 2019 05:43 Elentos wrote: Easiest 10k of Neeb's career. easiest 7.5k of Scarlett's life you mean also, iirc Neeb got another 10k for winning a bo5 vs Silky | ||
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thickertom
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World Electronic Sports Games/2019/ChinaThe format of China Qualifier has been given though it is still unoffficial that Top 2 willl participate in the main event. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6806 Posts
12 Z / 2 T / 5 P uh oh | ||
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dbRic1203
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On December 09 2019 23:11 Harris1st wrote: WESG shows us how race distribution will look in 2020 12 Z / 2 T / 5 P uh oh looks like an absolute flawless representation of the top competition indeed | ||
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Canada8988 Posts
On December 09 2019 05:47 sneakyfox wrote: NA finals these days seem a bit hard to tell apart. It's crazy to think the last time one of them was not the best NA player, it was Huk  Well maybe Masa for a split second in 2016 | ||
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On December 09 2019 23:38 dbRic1203 wrote: looks like an absolute flawless representation of the top competition indeed Heromarine, goblin/BeastyQT and Aqueron deserting WESG qualifiers played a role in this. | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On December 09 2019 23:11 Harris1st wrote: WESG shows us how race distribution will look in 2020 12 Z / 2 T / 5 P uh oh And Serral isn't even in it But don't worry Maru will make it to WESG | ||
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https://www.douyu.com/topic/WESG?rid=1129443 | ||
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 Allways good, when the comuity voting is somewhat accurate. Still wayting for Medeods deep run in russias WESG qualifier | ||
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I absolutely want to see Clem at WESG! | ||
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France12761 Posts
The good news is that we see someone we didn’t get to see in nation wars qualified (DnS), bad news is we can only have one of MarineLorD and Clem. People will probably want to see Clem but Denver is very good (albeit he really dislikes mech atm), and MarineLorD is a beast in TvT (apparently Clem isn’t that good against mech either, so Mlord is probably gonna abuse that). One match a day for the players is hella long tho, and it kind of kills the hype for the viewers. | ||
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On December 13 2019 08:14 Poopi wrote: Yeah tough luck for our French terrans today, 2-3 Clem vs DnS and 0-3 MarineLorD vs PtitDrogo. The good news is that we see someone we didn’t get to see in nation wars qualified (DnS), bad news is we can only have one of MarineLorD and Clem. People will probably want to see Clem but Denver is very good (albeit he really dislikes mech atm), and MarineLorD is a beast in TvT (apparently Clem isn’t that good against mech either, so Mlord is probably gonna abuse that). One match a day for the players is hella long tho, and it kind of kills the hype for the viewers. Heh, I would have preferred to see both Clem and Marinelord(not over Drogo) advance; Denver got stomped in ZvT yesterday, Marinelord is indeed super good in TvT but at this point the future is Clem's. Just give the kid a ticket to China and four months to train! | ||
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thickertom
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 TIME,  iAsonu and  Cloudy won't participate in APAC Qualifier.Of course, TIME should have a quota since WESG has to invite him in Global Finals. | ||
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China612 Posts
TIME lost to the only one who could win him.WESG might only invite one of iAsonu and him.World Electronic Sports Games/2019/China | ||
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13 zergs players 9 protoss players 2 terrans players So we have a chance to double the number of terran player.. If you wanna discuss of issue for the future of SC, check my last post please : https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/552857-proposed-changes-for-creep-spread | ||
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
On December 13 2019 09:06 Xain0n wrote: Heh, I would have preferred to see both Clem and Marinelord(not over Drogo) advance; Denver got stomped in ZvT yesterday, Marinelord is indeed super good in TvT but at this point the future is Clem's. Just give the kid a ticket to China and four months to train! We need clem at WESG, I would even call it a minor upset, that he lost to DNS | ||
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Canada8988 Posts
On December 14 2019 01:09 dbRic1203 wrote: We need clem at WESG, I would even call it a minor upset, that he lost to DNS It already gonna be hard for Time to get in, we won't have Gabe and Masa has not qualify (because for some reason there's only 2 spot for all of NA), we need Clem to represent foreign terran! | ||
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
On December 14 2019 01:16 Nakajin wrote: It already gonna be hard for Time to get in, we won't have Gabe and Masa has not qualify (because for some reason there's only 2 spot for all of NA), we need Clem to represent foreign terran! Time forfeit his game, doesn t that mean, he is also out? And I missed, why Big Gabe didn t take part at the german qualifier. Does someone know, why he forfeit the invite? | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8988 Posts
On December 14 2019 01:24 dbRic1203 wrote: Time forfeit his game, doesn t that mean, he is also out? And I missed, why Big Gabe didn t take part at the german qualifier. Does someone know, why he forfeit the invite? Oh i just saw that, on liquipedia it say there was a schedule conflit with GPL Well no Time I guess. As for Gabe, maybe he got invited in? Serral and INno also didn't try the qualifier and they should invite 4 players, maybe they chose him because he's the most popular streamer? It's pure speculation btw Edit: maybe they'll invite the best non-qualified player in GPL? | ||
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On December 14 2019 01:29 Nakajin wrote: Oh i just saw that, on liquipedia it say there was a schedule conflit with GPL Well no Time I guess. As for Gabe, maybe he got invited in? Serral and INno also didn't try the qualifier and they should invite 4 players, maybe they chose him because he's the most popular streamer? It's pure speculation btw It's much more likely that TIME forfeited because he knowns he would be invited, as some chinese user seemed to suggest; WESG will make sure the best chinese player(they invited two last year) will be there while Gabe is almost certainly out, he didn't want to play the qualifiers for specific reasons that he openly explained. Let's just root for Clem, guys! | ||
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Interesting thing about his PoV (other than the great micro ofc) was how quickly he did stuff back at base while the opponent army was near him (or even when fighting). Small things that really add up as terran | ||
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Edit: he well full Uthermal at the end, he better watch himself | ||
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On December 14 2019 02:59 Nakajin wrote: Clem whinning in the in game chat, he finally ascended to pro level terran. Not only whining, Clem is raging; he'll become the best terran. He's out of the tournament this time(why didn't he go for bio timings if he apparently isn't that comfortable with mech builds?), but the future is his for sure! Well, maybe Marinelord will be able to qualify at least. | ||
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On December 14 2019 03:22 ilax30 wrote: You can leave "French" out of that sentence I'm a memer not a liar. | ||
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On December 14 2019 03:19 Elentos wrote: Marinelord still the best French Terran Lets wait, maybe he'll lose against Razerblader aka the second best english player, tought match up | ||
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On December 14 2019 02:59 Nakajin wrote: Clem whinning in the in game chat, he finally ascended to pro level terran. Edit: he well full Uthermal at the end, he better watch himself You can't be a top terran if you are not salty and whiny! Denver is also one of his teammates, so maybe what Clem wrote has to be taken as less insulting as it sounded. | ||
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On December 14 2019 06:39 Poopi wrote: What did Clem write and against what did he lose? He lost to Swarmhost, he whine accordingly in multiple game nothing out of the line from what I saw. | ||
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On December 14 2019 06:39 Poopi wrote: What did Clem write and against what did he lose? Hm, go watch game 4 if you find it, my french is terrible but it seemed me he wrote something at least vaguely offensive; I may very well be wrong, tho. | ||
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Canada8988 Posts
On December 14 2019 10:11 JJH777 wrote: Oh my god that race split for Europe. Terran is in an even worse state than I thought. Actualy last year there was a grand total of 1 terran that qualify... and he droped out | ||
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Canada637 Posts
On December 14 2019 10:11 Xain0n wrote: Hm, go watch game 4 if you find it, my french is terrible but it seemed me he wrote something at least vaguely offensive; I may very well be wrong, tho. It wasn't that bad, he said "Truly a game of sons of bitches It's fucking bad" (rough translation ) | ||
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China612 Posts
iAsonu 3-0 NiceiAsonu became the player of Global Finals. (a Zerg player again) Nice's PVZ (lost to Lemon, Rex, XiGua and so on)... Cyan 3-1 XiGuaI guess that "yesterday's Has": "Why!" | ||
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Canada8988 Posts
On December 14 2019 13:06 thickertom wrote: iAsonu 3-0 NiceiAsonu became the player of Global Finals. (a Zerg player again) Nice's PVZ (lost to Lemon, Rex, XiGua and so on)... Cyan 3-1 XiGuaI guess that "yesterday's Has": "Why!"By the way the zerg mark to beat is 22, it's gonna be hard. Right now with Serral and IA we are at 15. (If Scarlett ends up being invited, we would be at 16) Dark and Rogue should make it, but after that it's getting harder to get pass 17-18. Risky and Vania are the favorite in their region, but the Russia one is a tought one. We will need some upset to get that magical 23, maybe Denver tomorrow, Demi and Xigua can do well in APAC and in LA there's 2 seat up to grab. We live in exciting time! | ||
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On December 14 2019 16:22 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: what a stupid format. TIME won his group with a map score 6-0, lost an unfortunate series 2-3 and is out of WESG (couldn't do a tie break, ironically, due to playing in the grand finals of GPC vs the finalist of WESG China Q). This simply doesnt make sense. TIME is most likely ultimately going to get invited to the main event anyway. Bit unfortunate with the schedule on this, but it should work out for him in the end. | ||
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On December 14 2019 14:36 Nakajin wrote: By the way the zerg mark to beat is 22, it's gonna be hard. Right now with Serral and IA we are at 15. (If Scarlett ends up being invited, we would be at 16) Dark and Rogue should make it, but after that it's getting harder to get pass 17-18. Risky and Vania are the favorite in their region, but the Russia one is a tought one. We will need some upset to get that magical 23, maybe Denver tomorrow, Demi and Xigua can do well in APAC and in LA there's 2 seat up to grab. We live in exciting time! Denver made it. On December 09 2019 02:42 Master of DalK wrote: I've been told ahead of our show we might be able to get both to go, so they're just playing for a difference in money. For note, WESG NA Final is up at twitch.tv/WorldGaming in about 3 hours! Makes it sound like Scarlett is most likely going as well (does she get an invite or do they retroactively add a 2nd spot for NA?). Under the incredibly safe assumption that Serral has an invite, we can assume we've reached 17. APAC should add 3 more Zergs in Dark, Rogue and Xigua (assuming they don't totally fuck the seeding and brackets, I figure the Korean and Chinese/Taiwanese players will take all 8 APAC spots). That'd be 20. Risky is the favorite in Oceania, Vanya is probably the best Russian player atm. And if the arena.gg brackets linked on Liquipedia are accurate and final (and not just qualifiers for qualifiers) it seems the Brazilian spot goes to a Zerg. Which would total 23. | ||
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Canada8988 Posts
On December 15 2019 05:47 Elentos wrote: Denver made it. Makes it sound like Scarlett is most likely going as well (does she get an invite or do they retroactively add a 2nd spot for NA?). Under the incredibly safe assumption that Serral has an invite, we can assume we've reached 17. APAC should add 3 more Zergs in Dark, Rogue and Xigua (assuming they don't totally fuck the seeding and brackets, I figure the Korean and Chinese/Taiwanese players will take all 8 APAC spots). That'd be 20. Risky is the favorite in Oceania, Vanya is probably the best Russian player atm. And if the arena.gg brackets linked on Liquipedia are accurate and final (and not just qualifiers for qualifiers) it seems the Brazilian spot goes to a Zerg. Which would total 23. History in the making! (not gonna lie it make following these qualifier quite lot more entertaning) Edit: by the way congrats to Denver not only tilting a terran out of his tournament but also managing to tilt a terran out of another entitely different tournament | ||
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Italy3963 Posts
On December 15 2019 09:39 Nakajin wrote: History in the making! (not gonna lie it make following these qualifier quite lot more entertaning) Ryosis, Ptak, most likely Souleer and Risky(where is ButAlways?) benefit from the best players of the region not playing WESG qualifiers. Clem not qualifying is very disappointing if we look at how he defeated Drogo, Showtime and Lambo today, and he left his spot to another Zerg. Vanya winning Russian's qualifier is not a foregone conclusion, the bracket is tough! I'll support Skillous. The arena.gg brackets are probably a qualifier for the qualifiers I hope, there weren't Kelazhur and Erik in Brazil's and I didn't see Special and Cham's in Mexico's. In all this Zerg madness, Snute lost his spot to Pappijoe... I don't think I'll have many players to root for at WESG, honestly. | ||
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digmouse
China6327 Posts
On December 14 2019 16:22 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: what a stupid format. TIME won his group with a map score 6-0, lost an unfortunate series 2-3 and is out of WESG (couldn't do a tie break, ironically, due to playing in the grand finals of GPC vs the finalist of WESG China Q). This simply doesnt make sense. It actually solves the organizer's headache because TIME either have to win it to get to grand finals directly, or he'll have to forfeit either APAC finals or GPC finals. They can now simply invite TIME to the grand finals as China representative. | ||
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On December 15 2019 11:26 Xain0n wrote: Ryosis, Ptak, most likely Souleer and Risky(where is ButAlways?) benefit from the best players of the region not playing WESG qualifiers. Clem not qualifying is very disappointing if we look at how he defeated Drogo, Showtime and Lambo today, and he left his spot to another Zerg. Vanya winning Russian's qualifier is not a foregone conclusion, the bracket is tough! I'll support Skillous. The arena.gg brackets are probably a qualifier for the qualifiers I hope, there weren't Kelazhur and Erik in Brazil's and I didn't see Special and Cham's in Mexico's. In all this Zerg madness, Snute lost his spot to Pappijoe... I don't think I'll have many players to root for at WESG, honestly. Would sure be nice if the arena.gg brackets had any indication of whether they're a stage 1 or stage 2. ButAlways probably doesn't have an Australian pass (just visa) so he would have had to play Taiwanese quali I imagine. And Risky didn't win Oceania qualifiers and has to play APAC now so maybe RIP 23 Zerg dream. | ||
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
The Big Gabe invitational had a pretty even skill and race Distribution and a Terran won. Cheese XI is still going in and no Zerg is seen anywhere near the top. Not because it s imba, but because Zerg was just heaviely underrepresented at the top of competition. Same goes for wesg, I gues the only real upsets were Clem and Time, anything else looks pretty fine for me. It s just stupid, that they gave 4 spots to north europe, where it s only Zerg | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8988 Posts
On December 16 2019 01:50 dbRic1203 wrote: I Don t understand how everyone is pretending that qualified Players for WESG is the most accurate measure to Balance. The Big Gabe invitational had a pretty even skill and race Distribution and a Terran won. Cheese XI is still going in and no Zerg is seen anywhere near the top. Not because it s imba, but because Zerg was just heaviely underrepresented at the top of competition. Same goes for wesg, I gues the only real upsets were Clem and Time, anything else looks pretty fine for me. It s just stupid, that they gave 4 spots to north europe, where it s only Zerg I don't actually think it says much about balance itself (well Korea excluded) but: 1 It's really funny 2 It does reveal a patern of a lack of non-zerg players (and particularly terran) being at the forefront of their scene. For exemple there was a single T player in the 16 man chinese qualifier, not because there was any upset but because there's actually no other good T player (XY is kinda decent I guess) same in Australia guys like Seither, Azure or Iaguz could all be competing for a top spot but they don't really seem to be able to get there. Ryosis, PappiJoe, Bly/Hellraiser, 40 years old Ptak, Meomaika, SouLeer, Drager, Enderr, Demi, Risky/Probe... these are all guys that aren't particularly intimidating foe, yet they all manage to qualify. But if you look at Terran outside of Psiarc in Japan, and maybe Botvinnik who could have manage to beat SouLeer there isn't a region where you have a non top pro Terran as the best player, or even regularly in the top 4. Like why are almost none of the B-C tiers player terran? It's not a balance whine, it's just confusing, maybe the fact that no foreign terran is winning ever lead to some terran quit trying to be pro idk. The Americas have good terran player at least. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On December 16 2019 02:56 Nakajin wrote: I don't actually think it says much about balance itself (well Korea excluded) but: 1 It's really funny 2 It does reveal a patern of a lack of non-zerg players (and particularly terran) being at the forefront of their scene. For exemple there was a single T player in the 16 man chinese qualifier, not because there was any upset but because there's actually no other good T player (XY is kinda decent I guess) same in Australia guys like Seither, Azure or Iaguz could all be competing for a top spot but they don't really seem to be able to get there. Ryosis, PappiJoe, Bly/Hellraiser, 40 years old Ptak, Meomaika, SouLeer, Drager, Enderr, Demi, Risky/Probe... these are all guys that aren't particularly intimidating foe, yet they all manage to qualify. But if you look at Terran outside of Psiarc in Japan, and maybe Botvinnik who could have manage to beat SouLeer there isn't a region where you have a non top pro Terran as the best player, or even regularly in the top 4. Like why are almost none of the B-C tiers player terran? It's not a balance whine, it's just confusing, maybe the fact that no foreign terran is winning ever lead to some terran quit trying to be pro idk. The Americas have good terran player at least. If you look at GPL you will notice there are two Terran out of four players overall; XY is decent indeed, I have no idea what happened to Coffee who is the second best Terran in China. In China, however, Terran players always were a minority. Ryosis shouldn't have beaten Blueecheese, a Terran, but he did twice; also notice that Heromarine could have easily decided to qualify through Central Europe qualifiers if he wanted a safe direct spot to WESG, he just didn't want to. Aqueron is considerably better than Souleer but he wanted to focus on his studies, apparently(and he is not a top pro). In Ukraine, there are enough Terran at decent level, but Hellraiser is just better than Kas right now. Pappijoe qualified at the expense of Snute, there isn't anything to add. BeastyQT and goblin didn't play so that Ptak essentially received a bye. Don't make me remember that Clem won't be at WESG... There simply is a prevalance of Zerg in Europe and Asia(outside of Korea and Taiwan); in any of case, they are overrepresented at WESG 2019 because of a combination of favourite Terran players not showing or underperforming. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8988 Posts
On December 16 2019 06:16 Xain0n wrote: If you look at GPL you will notice there are two Terran out of four players overall; XY is decent indeed, I have no idea what happened to Coffee who is the second best Terran in China. In China, however, Terran players always were a minority. Ryosis shouldn't have beaten Blueecheese, a Terran, but he did twice; also notice that Heromarine could have easily decided to qualify through Central Europe qualifiers if he wanted a safe direct spot to WESG, he just didn't want to. Aqueron is considerably better than Souleer but he wanted to focus on his studies, apparently(and he is not a top pro). In Ukraine, there are enough Terran at decent level, but Hellraiser is just better than Kas right now. Pappijoe qualified at the expense of Snute, there isn't anything to add. BeastyQT and goblin didn't play so that Ptak essentially received a bye. Don't make me remember that Clem won't be at WESG... There simply is a prevalance of Zerg in Europe and Asia(outside of Korea and Taiwan); in any of case, they are overrepresented at WESG 2019 because of a combination of favourite Terran players not showing or underperforming. That's what I'm saying, I'm not saying it's about balance, but more that there's very little very good terran player. (not gonna lied I had forgot about Coffee) There's a few great one, the kind that play for Blizzcon spot, but the tier right bellow that there's almost no one. They either seem to stop playing after a short career (like Bunny, Beastyqt or Iaguz) or they stagnate or focus on other things. (Kas, Masa, Bradok, Lilikenin, Seither..) It's just weird that they are under represented everywhere but Kor and NA-Latam. | ||
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thickertom
China612 Posts
On December 16 2019 06:16 Xain0n wrote: If you look at GPL you will notice there are two Terran out of four players overall; XY is decent indeed, I have no idea what happened to Coffee who is the second best Terran in China. In China, however, Terran players always were a minority. Ryosis shouldn't have beaten Blueecheese, a Terran, but he did twice; also notice that Heromarine could have easily decided to qualify through Central Europe qualifiers if he wanted a safe direct spot to WESG, he just didn't want to. Aqueron is considerably better than Souleer but he wanted to focus on his studies, apparently(and he is not a top pro). In Ukraine, there are enough Terran at decent level, but Hellraiser is just better than Kas right now. Pappijoe qualified at the expense of Snute, there isn't anything to add. BeastyQT and goblin didn't play so that Ptak essentially received a bye. Don't make me remember that Clem won't be at WESG... There simply is a prevalance of Zerg in Europe and Asia(outside of Korea and Taiwan); in any of case, they are overrepresented at WESG 2019 because of a combination of favourite Terran players not showing or underperforming. In Mainland China. the Terran players are few all the time. After Loner was retired, for a long time, only XY and Ein were seen in the Chinese matches. However, at the beginning of LotV, many Terran players appear - TIME, Shana (Protoss turns into Terran, he was even a Zerg player in 2013), Chick (MSK), Coffee, SaberAltoria and so on. After "June 10, 2017", TIME became "the only one" and the strongest player in Mainland China. | ||
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Elentos
55459 Posts
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Kashim
Poland1155 Posts
On January 04 2020 03:43 Elentos wrote: So hold on, TIME forfeited the possible APAC qualifier spot because of some sort of schedule conflict between APAC final and GPC. GPC was today, and APAC is over a month away? they rescheduled APAC qualifier few days ago to new date xD | ||
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Elentos
55459 Posts
On January 04 2020 03:45 Kashim wrote: they rescheduled APAC qualifier few days ago to new date xD Wonderful. Well I assume they'll invite TIME anyway so maybe we could get some lesser known players through APAC. WESG is a bit all over the place. I saw on reddit the organizers of the NA qualifier say they made changes and the top 4 of NA will go to the main event instead of just Neeb (so also MaSa, Future and Scarlett) but there's no official notice and also no explanation where those 3 extra spots are going to come from all of a sudden. Do they just take away 2 from APAC and have 1 less invitee? Do they just add an extra player to every group? Who knows? Do they know? | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
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Elentos
55459 Posts
On January 04 2020 05:06 MarianoSC2 wrote: And what about the GSL crew? Are those 4 already qualified for main event or will there be another qualifier? This is so confusing... That part's easy, it's even on Liquipedia. They qualified for the APAC qualifier. A certain amount of people from the APAC qualifier go to the main event. The crazy stuff is all the important things nobody knows because communication from WESG's side is | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8988 Posts
On January 04 2020 05:35 Elentos wrote: That part's easy, it's even on Liquipedia. They qualified for the APAC qualifier. A certain amount of people from the APAC qualifier go to the main event. The crazy stuff is all the important things nobody knows because communication from WESG's side is I have a thing for chinese player and the SEA players, who played in a qualifier to qualify for a qualifier where they were good but not good enough so they have to play in another qualifier. | ||
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Elentos
55459 Posts
On January 04 2020 06:50 Nakajin wrote: I have a thing for chinese player and the SEA players, who played in a qualifier to qualify for a qualifier where they were good but not good enough so they have to play in another qualifier. Where we throw in the Koreans to bully them. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On January 04 2020 03:48 Elentos wrote: Wonderful. Well I assume they'll invite TIME anyway so maybe we could get some lesser known players through APAC. WESG is a bit all over the place. I saw on reddit the organizers of the NA qualifier say they made changes and the top 4 of NA will go to the main event instead of just Neeb (so also MaSa, Future and Scarlett) but there's no official notice and also no explanation where those 3 extra spots are going to come from all of a sudden. Do they just take away 2 from APAC and have 1 less invitee? Do they just add an extra player to every group? Who knows? Do they know? NA part wasn't hard as well, the players qualified for WESG didn't add up to 48 anyway; it was hard to imagine Latin America sending 4 players while only Neeb would have been the only one from North America. It appears that APAC qualifiers will grant 8 spots, so koreans bullying Chinese players would not mean they are out. TIME, Serral, Inno will most likely be invited. | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8988 Posts
On January 23 2020 22:05 sneakyfox wrote: The APAC qualifier has been cancelled due to the coronavirus. No news yet as to what will happen instead. https://www.wesg.com/en/article1?id=160216 huh... well since I had not realize it wasn't an online event, there's no harm done on the Starcraft side for me. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On January 23 2020 22:31 Nakajin wrote: huh... well since I had not realize it wasn't an online event, there's no harm done on the Starcraft side for me. Maybe they could just play it online. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8988 Posts
Ya it seems like a nobrainer. Hopefully (and because of things more important than WESG) the quarantine will be lifted when the main event comes around. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10666 Posts
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