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Acrofales
Spain18004 Posts
On May 10 2019 22:47 Harris1st wrote: aLive, maybe. But Patience over Stephano? Not without the most extrem korean elitism bias. Stephano redesigned the game singlehandedly. Also he is the coolest dude to ever play this game  He's also the dudest dude to ever play this game  | ||
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burnturn
United States59 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25466 Posts
On May 11 2019 22:32 burnturn wrote: Can somebody explain to me how people are voting IdrA over Mvp? As in why doesn't Mvp have all the votes? Lord only knows. Although this thread it seems the majority of people are trying to be objective about things. Jaedong along with Flash would probably be thought of as a much better SC2 player if they weren’t Jaedong and Flash respectively | ||
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Jealous
10156 Posts
On May 11 2019 22:32 burnturn wrote: Can somebody explain to me how people are voting IdrA over Mvp? As in why doesn't Mvp have all the votes? There are some trolly troglodytes on this forum like Dave4, Rodya, etc. | ||
Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
Also looking back on it Jaedong was better than I remember, he was a beast in 2013. It's still a shame he missed his date with greatness, I wish he would have kept the fire burning after 2013, he felt so hard. He had the potential to be a contender to win this contest. | ||
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Solar424
United States4001 Posts
On May 11 2019 23:30 Jealous wrote: There are some trolly troglodytes on this forum like Dave4, Rodya, etc. Rodya would never say that a foreigner is better than a Korean. | ||
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Dave4
494 Posts
On May 11 2019 23:30 Jealous wrote: There are some trolly troglodytes on this forum like Dave4, Rodya, etc. MVP is obviously superior to Idra and I voted as much. Please don't create nonsense smear posts like this or you will be reported to the authorities. | ||
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Anc13nt
1557 Posts
On May 12 2019 04:00 Dave4 wrote: MVP is obviously superior to Idra and I voted as much. Please don't create nonsense smear posts like this or you will be reported to the authorities. tbh your post about voting Puma over Maru as greater player tells me that you are a troll. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
Match 29  sOs: 69 votes TRUE: 1 votesOs goes through!Match 30 Jaedong: 54 votes aLive: 15 votesJaedong goes through!Match 31 Mvp: 66 votesIdrA: 6 votesMvp goes through!Match 32 Stephano: 62 votesPatience: 7 votesStephano closes the round of 32! | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
I promise that we are gonna start the round of 32 soon, but a quick recap and some precision about how we go forward. First and foremost a big thanks to Gumiho who's the only player go to the round of 32 after coming second in group, the last few weeks weren't quite totally meaningless  Without surprised every seed one players will be in the round of 32 as well as 14 of the 16 second seed player, with Gumiho and TY pulling the upset. That also mean that I officially have a 94% prediction accuracy on who are the greatest players, keep that in mind next time you see me comment on a power rank. Also MKP is now out and his probably the most high profile player to bomb out (partly due to being a bit screwed by the seeding system honestly). The top 32 is formed of 28 Koreans and 4 foreigners. As for balance distribution it's now 11 Protoss-10 Terrans - 11 Zerg Perfect balance it is! What a beautiful game. Now here's what I wanted to do going for this round: 2 matches a time, so the round of 32 would be just as long as the two other before. Also there won't be a loser bracket because it would just make the whole things a bit messy, but I would be open to do placement bracket for the round of 32-16. It would be something we blast through at the end of the round, a bunch of polls no preview nothing, probably the whole thing a week. So: Poll: Would you want placement matches? Yes (14) No (8) Only if it's a 16 man round robin (5) 27 total votes You must be logged in to vote in this poll. ☐ Yes Also, to keep you guys busy until tomorrow night: Poll: Who is the greatest team player You must be logged in to vote in this poll. ☐ sOs | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
MMA: 2x GSTL MVP, also played a major role in helping Acer win two Acer Teamstory Cups, and won a 3rd GSTL with Axiom-Acer Taeja: Carried Liquid a bunch of times | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On May 12 2019 09:55 Bagration wrote: Can't have a greatest Team Player list without MMA and Taeja MMA: 2x GSTL MVP, also played a major role in helping Acer win two Acer Teamstory Cups, and won a 3rd GSTL with Axiom-Acer Taeja: Carried Liquid a bunch of times Ah yes I forgot MMA. Not sure about Taeja, sure he was great with TL but he also had a bunch of mismatches for him. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
However, Inno was amazing in GSTL as well(despite playing for a single season) and pretty lethal in Nation Wars, I'm voting for him as the best team player! | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On May 12 2019 11:53 Xain0n wrote: To be honest, Stats probably had the best record in Proleague so he should figure on this list. However, Inno was amazing in GSTL as well(despite playing for a single season) and pretty lethal in Nation Wars, I'm voting for him as the best team player! sOs had both more wins an a higher winrate than Stats. Unless you meant best record in 1 season in that case IDK. It goes -sOs most wins and best inrate of the top 10 in proleague -INno winner of every damn teamleague under the sun (GSTL, ATC, PL,NW, VSL...), only 2 time proleague mvp and second highest winrate of the top 10 in PL -Rain best proleague ace with an absurd win rate as ace -herO most used proleague player and most use ace, as well as second most win in PL -Yongwha Most win in GSTL -Maru Best KSL player as well as a solid PL player -Flash: No reason really but everyone keep talking about his PL feat -Gumiho GSTL playoff beast and fairly solid PL player The last 3 you could be swap with others (MMA, Taeja, sniper...) but I did the list on the top of my head. | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18004 Posts
On May 12 2019 15:56 Phredxor wrote: I'll have you know Taeja is the single greatest team league player in SC2 history. Agreed, but in his absence I voted MMA. Oh. Ok. Innovation.  | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On May 12 2019 12:55 Nakajin wrote: sOs had both more wins an a higher winrate than Stats. Unless you meant best record in 1 season in that case IDK. It goes -sOs most wins and best inrate of the top 10 in proleague -INno winner of every damn teamleague under the sun (GSTL, ATC, PL,NW, VSL...), only 2 time proleague mvp and second highest winrate of the top 10 in PL -Rain best proleague ace with an absurd win rate as ace -herO most used proleague player and most use ace, as well as second most win in PL -Yongwha Most win in GSTL -Maru Best KSL player as well as a solid PL player -Flash: No reason really but everyone keep talking about his PL feat -Gumiho GSTL playoff beast and fairly solid PL player The last 3 you could be swap with others (MMA, Taeja, sniper...) but I did the list on the top of my head. Liquipedia's top 10 is currently not updated, datas from 2016's Proleague were never added(Stats went 27-9, Maru 22-4, herO 20-9, sOs 14-11, Inno 14-8 that season). This means herO is in reality the one who has the most wins and Stats gets to have the actual best record(almost the same win ratio as Maru with like 15 more wins, sOs and herO both have more victories with significantly lower wr) in Proleague's history. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On May 12 2019 19:42 Xain0n wrote: Liquipedia's top 10 is currently not updated, datas from 2016's Proleague were never added(Stats went 27-9, Maru 22-4, herO 20-9, sOs 14-11, Inno 14-8 that season). This means herO is in reality the one who has the most wins and Stats gets to have the actual best record(almost the same win ratio as Maru with like 15 more wins, sOs and herO both have more victories with significantly lower wr) in Proleague's history. Ah gotcha | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
Theses polls are closed TaeJa vs DongRaeGu: The mountain monarchyTaeJa: 4 Dreamhack, 3 HSC, 2 AsusRog, 1 MLG, 2 GSL semi-finals, Liquid aceDRG: 1 GSL, 1 MLG, 1 IEM, 1 Blizzard Cup final, 2 MLG finalsFor most of us Starcraft is a struggle, an impossible mountain to climb happy to throw rocks at you whenever you start to get higher, TaeJa is the exception. He’s the prince of Starcraft, someone for whom being good at Starcraft didn’t seems like a struggle or even an accomplishment, he was the one at the top of the mountain watching others climb not in anguish but with calm assurance that at the end of the day he would always have his place at the top.Winning everything was the way of the word, and boy did he win, in any meta, against anyone. He stayed at the top of the mountain pushing people over, sometime with absurd ease. As royalty, he never seemed to feel the need to stoop to entertainment; he spent half a decade in the West never saying a word of English, never learning to open a bottle of champagne or give a half decent interview, he didn’t need those to win the heart of the crowds; just a wave, a smile and an otherworldly ability to win at Starcraft. He did lose once a while, but it never felt like a crushing or embarrassing defeat, just a top tiers series not going his way, deserving of nothing more than his little head-shake as he immediately went back to winning. It would be clearly wrong to say that DongRaeGu wasn’t also a rare Starcraft talent, but it never felt quite as easy for DRG, you could see the struggle. Like TaeJa his first win came outside of Korea, but contrary to the Liquid Prince he wasn’t happy ruling these far away land. He wanted to keep climbing and so he went back home to rule not as a prince but as the King. It’s something TaeJa never did, even the most die-hard GSL elitists couldn’t deny that TaeJa had the skills to win a GSL, but at the apex of his career, he chose to turn his back to Korea and to a potential GSL crown and droped his chances at Blizzcon to finally be address as the clear world best.DongRaeGu made that choice, he went back to his beloved neighbourhood and was immediately rewarded by one of the hardest lost anyone ever had. Against MMA at the Blizzard cup final he mounted perhaps the best comeback in all SC2 in only to see victory slip through his fingers in the last seconds of the final game. He wouldn’t stop climbing, and after his GSL win and subsequent domination, he did become the undisputed best zerg in the word, embracing his role as the game front most star. It wasn’t only his unparalleled ability at long macro game that put him at the top, but also his capacity to rotate between his builds and unbreakable spirit. But his wasn’t the calm domination of TaeJa, the struggle never seemed to stop for DRG, and multiple final defeats piled on, as is the Korean zerg destiny, and as HOTS came around, he had lost his throne.The last few years undoubtedly have been hard for the Dongraegu native, but even military service couldn’t keep him from trying to reach once again that oh so sweet place at the top of the highest mountain. Solar vs GuMiho: OlimoLeague weekly number 127Solar: 1 SSL, 3 Dreamhack, 1 MSI, 1SSL final, 1 IEM finalGuMiho: 1GSL, 1 ST final, 1 Dreamhack final, 2 GSTLYou all remember it, maybe you had a little time of before starting your day, maybe you decided to watch a last few games at the end of a late evening, maybe it was a slow day at work, you opened TL and saw that there’s an OlimoLeague, a Leifeng Cup, an OSC Master cup or whatever Korean online cup going on. You may not care about the actual tournament, but as you tune in you know you are in for a great series as before you is a duel between the two gods of online Korean Starcraft: GuMiho vs Solar. With a little over 200 maps between each other, these two have one of the most prolific rivalry in Korean Starcraft 2. GuMiho 29 weekly finals and 13 monthly finals make him the most successful Olimoleague players, only missing a single weekly wins to be at the top of all the statistical standing (something Solar himself was all to happy to denied just last week), Solar himself has win his fare share of Olimoleague in his ever growing list of now almost 200 online tournament wins.Outside of their online rivalry Solar and GuMiho are two of the most likeable players in the scene. Defined by extreme consistency, they both have been in code S every time for at least 4 years, Solar being in every code S since he first qualified back in 2014 season 1. They also both had good times making soO life miserable at some point.The comparisons stops there. It’s easy to forget but Solar is the 3rd most decorated Zerg players, winning more tournament than NesTea, DRG, Dark or Stephano. The Happy Roach has been perhaps un-rightly forgotten by history, as his lack of success in GSL or major global tournament sometime overshadow runs just as impressive in others less well recognize tournaments. The first LOTV champ and arguably the SSL greatest, he’s the only zerg to win a Korean league in LOTV and only the 3rd since HOTS launch in 2013.GuMiho has been mainly known for his dedication to play Starcraft his own way, innovating the terran meta multiple times and finding solutions instead of whining, but he never was quite shower with the same praise as other top terran players. Yet he has one of the most long-lasting careers of the scene. In 2012 as one of the best GSTL players he carried FXO to back-to-back championship with an 8-0 record in the finals including one of the best TvT ever played vs MMA and an upset of soon-to-be GSL champ Sniper. As an outsider in 2015 he scored a perfect 15-0 in Tours before dropping the last 3 maps of the final vs PartinG, and just a few weeks ago he defied all balance whine to reach the finals of a Super Tournament stack with protoss. But it’s his GSL championship that remain the sole jewel of his career, as his dedication to playing the game his own way finally put him ahead of the pack as his mech play rolled over soO mid 2017. Polls are open until Wednesday may 15 around 8pm EST. Theses polls are closed | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
guess voting just started though nice writeups btw | ||
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