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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
. WoL zergs are often interchangeable but probably not those two). | ||
Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On May 13 2019 10:51 ZigguratOfUr wrote: I concur. Great write-up (though you do call DRG Leenock in one place . WoL zergs are often interchangeable but probably not those two).Lol how in the world did I miss that one | ||
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
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Russano
United States425 Posts
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Shuffleblade
Sweden1903 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24946 Posts
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Harris1st
Germany6860 Posts
Liquid bias will carry Taeja further ez Gumi vs Solar, man this is a hard one. Was 50:50 so I decided to vote Zerg over Terran because I voted Taeja over DRG ^^' | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17959 Posts
On May 13 2019 18:31 Harris1st wrote: Great write-ups! Learned stuff i didn't know Liquid bias will carry Taeja further ez Gumi vs Solar, man this is a hard one. Was 50:50 so I decided to vote Zerg over Terran because I voted Taeja over DRG ^^' I agree with this reasoning. Am still on the fence myself for gumi vs solar. Yeah, one of them is Zerg. But gumi resisting the eternally boring gomtvt (sorry, afreecatvt) meta does give him huge bonus points. Actually, solved it: Top 5 zergs would be, imho: Nestea, Serral, Life (scratch that), soO, soulkey, solar Top 5 terrans: Maru, MVP, MMA, Taeja, innovation Gumiho doesn't quite make it, whereas solar does. Perhaps because there are only 3 Zerg that really stand out from the pack (and one is disqualified for being a cheating ahole), whereas Terran is more stacked. So #balance. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24946 Posts
I’d like to award innovation for sure, and I would if Gumiho had pioneered the ‘best’ style in a matchup that became adopted as standard, in a ‘Bisu build’ kind of manner. As it is it’s more other folks play TvX and Gumiho plays GvX | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On May 13 2019 18:40 Acrofales wrote: I agree with this reasoning. Am still on the fence myself for gumi vs solar. Yeah, one of them is Zerg. But gumi resisting the eternally boring gomtvt (sorry, afreecatvt) meta does give him huge bonus points. Actually, solved it: Top 5 zergs would be, imho: Nestea, Serral, Life (scratch that), soO, soulkey, solar Top 5 terrans: Maru, MVP, MMA, Taeja, innovation Gumiho doesn't quite make it, whereas solar does. Perhaps because there are only 3 Zerg that really stand out from the pack (and one is disqualified for being a cheating ahole), whereas Terran is more stacked. So #balance. What about Dark tho? | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
However, there's not really anything unique about Solar to most fans - he's good but it's hard to pin down a storyline / playstyle / personality trait to him. On the other hand, Gumiho is known for a very interesting playstyle (and has been good much more recently), so is a lot more memorable But Solar should take this one if we're truly thinking about who was greater over the course of SC2 (thus far) | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On May 13 2019 22:53 Bagration wrote: Solar suffers from being a really good, but not distinctively unique player. If you were to look at Liquipedia, Solar blows Gumiho out of the water (4/5 premier titles compared to Gumiho's 1), and did it in a shorter time (whereas Gumiho has been active since the start of SC2) However, there's not really anything unique about Solar to most fans - he's good but it's hard to pin down a storyline / playstyle / personality trait to him. On the other hand, Gumiho is known for a very interesting playstyle (and has been good much more recently), so is a lot more memorable But Solar should take this one if we're truly thinking about who was greater over the course of SC2 (thus far) Ya I was trying to point out memorable Solar games or series, but it's hard to do. He won close finals against Dark and Parting and one would think those would have stuck with me, but there's nothing that really stand out. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
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Harris1st
Germany6860 Posts
On May 13 2019 22:53 Bagration wrote: Solar suffers from being a really good, but not distinctively unique player. If you were to look at Liquipedia, Solar blows Gumiho out of the water (4/5 premier titles compared to Gumiho's 1), and did it in a shorter time (whereas Gumiho has been active since the start of SC2) However, there's not really anything unique about Solar to most fans - he's good but it's hard to pin down a storyline / playstyle / personality trait to him. On the other hand, Gumiho is known for a very interesting playstyle (and has been good much more recently), so is a lot more memorable But Solar should take this one if we're truly thinking about who was greater over the course of SC2 (thus far) I might be wrong here but isn't Solar the one who speaks English almost fluent? How about that for a unique trait?  @Nakajin are you doing these just from the top down? I would like to wait for the next WCS /next GSL round before voting between Serral and Classic :/ Can we do from the bottom up maybe? EDIT: They are also the reason why a lower bracket might be useful. Both are Ro8/ Ro4 material at least. Early exit in the Ro32 would be devestating for both | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On May 14 2019 00:30 Harris1st wrote: I might be wrong here but isn't Solar the one who speaks English almost fluent? How about that for a unique trait? @Nakajin are you doing these just from the top down? I would like to wait for the next WCS /next GSL round before voting between Serral and Classic :/ Can we do from the bottom up maybe? EDIT: They are also the reason why a lower bracket might be useful. Both are Ro8/ Ro4 material at least. Early exit in the Ro32 would be devestating for both Sadly it's gonna be no to both. To the first one, it does suck that both are at pivotal point of their career there will never be a perfect time to do it, this round isn't to bad cause most player at the bottom are retired/pass their prime. But we might have other tournament later down the road and it's gonna be a bit of a head-hake to make the schedule fit. Just right now, Gumi has an outside, but reasonable, shot of winning this GSL, should I wait for him? What about Stats, or Stephano with WCS? Maybe it's not the best call, but I mostly don't want to respond to other similar problems latter on. As for the lower bracket, I decided against it for two reasons. First is time, I feel ok doing 8 or 16 votes a day for placement matches but it feel a bit lame for a true lower bracket witch mean this thing would be even longer than it already is and I'm afraid people are gonna get bored if we have another bunch of polls between players that clearly aren't close to GOAT( it's partly my fault 128 players was probably a bit of an overkill), it also make each vote less impact full since there's always another chance. Also the number of clear matchup are getting smaller and smaller, hard choices a gonna come anytime be it in the winner of the loser bracket Secondly a lower bracket run the risk of creating absurdity with some player being both better and worst than others, rematches and pose the problem of the final which become either worthless or non-nonsensical. I think placement matches is a good compromise, it make the final list a bit more right (although we already have a bunch of questionable results because of group luck) and it doesn't take to much time or make the tournament to confusing. It's nowhere near a perfect science of course. On May 14 2019 05:35 Dave4 wrote: Thanks heaps! I reckon keep it at 4 matchups per writeup for the ro32 and ro16, then move to 2 for RO8 onwards. I'm gonna try, but the problem is that I'm egocentric and if I go to 4 at a time, I'm gonna have to drop or shorten my previews  Might still do it, but next Wednesday at least will be only 2 to make it even. | ||
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Dave4
494 Posts
I reckon keep it at 4 matchups per writeup for the ro32 and ro16, then move to 2 for RO8 onwards. Wow some tough ones today. Gumiho over Solar and Taeja over DRG for me. DRG is one of my all time favourite players though, he is one of the hardest to drop! | ||
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Dave4
494 Posts
I think most would agree that Serral and Innovation are both top-4 contenders. We will have to keep this fact in mind when we look at the end result - dropping out in the ro32 or ro16 doesn't mean Serral (or Innovation) isn't one of the 5 best of all time. | ||
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Yonnua
United Kingdom2331 Posts
On May 14 2019 05:42 Dave4 wrote: The brackets are a bit unfortunate in my view. Serral and Classic in the ro32, then Serral and Innovation in ro16. I think most would agree that Serral and Innovation are both top-4 contenders. We will have to keep this fact in mind when we look at the end result - dropping out in the ro32 or ro16 doesn't mean Serral (or Innovation) isn't one of the 5 best of all time. I don't think "most would agree" that a player who's never even competed in GSL is one of the four greatest players of all time. | ||
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Jealous
10116 Posts
On May 14 2019 07:02 Yonnua wrote: I don't think "most would agree" that a player who's never even competed in GSL is one of the four greatest players of all time. Don't feed the troll. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
Serral being top4 all time is one obvious exaggeration(Puma over Maru was worse) but I see esteemed TL posters going almost further in the opposite direction. | ||
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