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Canada8991 Posts
On April 08 2019 06:16 Morbidius wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2019 05:45 Nakajin wrote:On April 08 2019 03:36 Morbidius wrote:On April 08 2019 00:46 Charoisaur wrote:On April 07 2019 23:51 Acrofales wrote:On April 07 2019 23:37 Ej_ wrote:On April 07 2019 23:23 Acrofales wrote:On April 07 2019 23:12 Durnuu wrote:
RorO is literally 10x the player Thorzain was Didn't we *just* establish that Idra got voted not necessarily based on quality, but because of what he meant to the scene? So regardless of RorO's actual skill... he was never even remotely the best zerg at any point he won a GSL lol So did Sniper. What's your point? I also voted Sniper. People are unfairly discrediting their victories just because they happened to be in an era where Zerg was arguably slightly stronger than the other races. ''slightly''. 55% winrate in both matchups and 2 ZvZ finals in a row @GSL. Even so, Roro GSL win is bigger than anything Thorzain has done, be it with or without infestor broodlord. Anyway neither of them are even close to the top 32 so its barely worth discussing. I wonder if the OP picked too many players, some of these polls just have objectively right and wrong answers. I think the same amount of polls with a selection of 32 players could have yield better results. I mean, who the fuck would vote for Yonghwa or Bly over Dear and Rogue? I can't imagine someone doing that even if they were on crack. I'm even more curious for the one who voted for Sound, someone who has never won a single GSL match, not even a single code A match. Yeah. Can only be a troll vote, with 128 players competing there are clearly ''wrong'' answers which makes a lot of these polls silly.
It's saddly the downside of having put this many players, still we had some interesting call, like RorO-Thorzain just now so not to much regret. The ro64 will probably have a good number of free matches too saddly, ro32 is where it's gonna get real interesting.
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On April 08 2019 11:44 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2019 06:16 Morbidius wrote:On April 08 2019 05:45 Nakajin wrote:On April 08 2019 03:36 Morbidius wrote:On April 08 2019 00:46 Charoisaur wrote:On April 07 2019 23:51 Acrofales wrote:On April 07 2019 23:37 Ej_ wrote:On April 07 2019 23:23 Acrofales wrote:On April 07 2019 23:12 Durnuu wrote:
RorO is literally 10x the player Thorzain was Didn't we *just* establish that Idra got voted not necessarily based on quality, but because of what he meant to the scene? So regardless of RorO's actual skill... he was never even remotely the best zerg at any point he won a GSL lol So did Sniper. What's your point? I also voted Sniper. People are unfairly discrediting their victories just because they happened to be in an era where Zerg was arguably slightly stronger than the other races. ''slightly''. 55% winrate in both matchups and 2 ZvZ finals in a row @GSL. Even so, Roro GSL win is bigger than anything Thorzain has done, be it with or without infestor broodlord. Anyway neither of them are even close to the top 32 so its barely worth discussing. I wonder if the OP picked too many players, some of these polls just have objectively right and wrong answers. I think the same amount of polls with a selection of 32 players could have yield better results. I mean, who the fuck would vote for Yonghwa or Bly over Dear and Rogue? I can't imagine someone doing that even if they were on crack. I'm even more curious for the one who voted for Sound, someone who has never won a single GSL match, not even a single code A match. Yeah. Can only be a troll vote, with 128 players competing there are clearly ''wrong'' answers which makes a lot of these polls silly. It's saddly the downside of having put this many players, still we had some interesting call, like RorO-Thorzain just now so not to much regret. The ro64 will probably have a good number of free matches too saddly, ro32 is where it's gonna get real interesting.
it was most likely a misclick anyways, I do it all the time on TL polls lol
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Czech Republic12133 Posts
I voted for RorO, no offense to Thorzain, but RorO was bigger player.
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On April 07 2019 23:23 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2019 23:12 Durnuu wrote:
RorO is literally 10x the player Thorzain was Didn't we *just* establish that Idra got voted not necessarily based on quality, but because of what he meant to the scene? So regardless of RorO's actual skill... he was never even remotely the best zerg at any point, whereas Thorzain was the foreigner hope and brought us many great moments! Best of which was, of course, his TSL 3 victory, but he also won Dreamhack, and was the first foreigner to win a match in Proleague (for you Korean elitists where nothing outside Korea counts) in god knows how long, and was MVP of the league. As for skill, I can only find a single match between them, in an MLG invitational. And it was a 1-1 draw. So that's a wash. Chill get out!
The 2013 Gom awards would disagree.
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Parting has never won a GSL, so I guess RorO > Parting
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VOTE FOR THORZAIN!!!
Yep, yep, everyone is going to say that RorO is more accomplished / better player / etc but don't forget the impact these foreign players have had on the scene. Their contributions paved the way for players such as Serral to have such an impact on the esport.
Remember, you are allowed to vote purely based on subjective criteria.
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I voted Thorzain, I was always a huge fan of him, both as a player but also as a personality. He really kept things interesting and in my book he is far and away above Roro in greatness, but that doesn't mean he was in general a better player than RorO.
We lack foreign personalities like Idra, Destiny, Thorzain and Stephano today, rather we have a lot of faceless foreigners. Maybe its me that doesn't follow as much sc2 interviews and stuff as I used to be but thats how I feel.
If greatness = best at sc2 by some "overall" metric than Taeja would be really low actually, where is that GSL gold medal or blizzcon world championship? It doesn't exist, if we are going to compare everyone to the "but did he win GSL?" metric than why are we even having the tournament lets just arbitrarily count top placings in GSL/SSL and make the simple list of greatest ever.
edit: Of course there are some really awesome foreigners like Scarlett, Neeb and Special but most feel pretty flat.
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I really want to know what happened here:
RorO & Has (2)
I understand Thorzain and Has as someone just disliking all Korean SC2 players (or trolling with the full foreigner vote). But how do you vote RorO over Parting?
E: and yes, RorO was a patchzerg.
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Canada8991 Posts
On April 08 2019 20:54 Acrofales wrote:I really want to know what happened here: I understand Thorzain and Has as someone just disliking all Korean SC2 players (or trolling with the full foreigner vote). But how do you vote RorO over Parting? E: and yes, RorO was a patchzerg.
I can see someone hating Parting tbh
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Czech Republic12133 Posts
On April 08 2019 20:54 Acrofales wrote:I really want to know what happened here: I understand Thorzain and Has as someone just disliking all Korean SC2 players (or trolling with the full foreigner vote). But how do you vote RorO over Parting? E: and yes, RorO was a patchzerg.
Do you not remember the hate Parting was receiving back then when he was in his prime?
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On April 08 2019 20:54 Acrofales wrote:I really want to know what happened here: I understand Thorzain and Has as someone just disliking all Korean SC2 players (or trolling with the full foreigner vote). But how do you vote RorO over Parting? E: and yes, RorO was a patchzerg.
As is stated somewhere above, this isn't about GSL wins. I voted Thorzain and Has cause i love(d) those guys. Most ppl in these polls are just some faceless Koreans (Roro is one of them for me)
RorO would have probably won 9 out of 10 matches vs Thorzain, but this is not the point of this discussion. This is purely subjective. No amount of statistics will change minds in this thread. That's why elfi should have won!
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To be honest RorO was legit good BUT kind of a real patchzerg in the way he took advantage of the race being extremely strong to win what he did(a single Premier Tournament even if that's a Code S); ThorZaiN won two Premier and made a nice amount of other successful runs, was the first foreigner to win a Korean proleague and can probably be considered the best foreigner Terran overall.
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On April 08 2019 20:54 Acrofales wrote:I really want to know what happened here: I understand Thorzain and Has as someone just disliking all Korean SC2 players (or trolling with the full foreigner vote).
I neither dislike Koreans nor was trolling, and had a real hard time deciding who I liked better of Parting or Thorzain.
Roro was always going to be the worst though. If he had any entertaining games, Broodlord-Infestor has eclipsed them from my memory. And people who pretend Roro needs to advance "because of performance" still haven't explained to me how Myungsik got through.
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On April 08 2019 21:05 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2019 20:54 Acrofales wrote:I really want to know what happened here: RorO & Has (2) I understand Thorzain and Has as someone just disliking all Korean SC2 players (or trolling with the full foreigner vote). But how do you vote RorO over Parting? E: and yes, RorO was a patchzerg. Do you not remember the hate Parting was receiving back then when he was in his prime?
But if you hate Parting for his cheesy immortal sentry pushes, how do you not hate Has as well? Has is the cheesiest of Protoss cheesers.
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On April 08 2019 22:14 Fanatic-Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2019 20:54 Acrofales wrote:I really want to know what happened here: RorO & Has (2) I understand Thorzain and Has as someone just disliking all Korean SC2 players (or trolling with the full foreigner vote). I neither dislike Koreans nor was trolling, and had a real hard time deciding who I liked better of Parting or Thorzain. Roro was always going to be the worst though. If he had any entertaining games, Broodlord-Infestor has eclipsed them from my memory. And people who pretend Roro needs to advance "because of performance" still haven't explained to me how Myungsik got through.
What? Are you suggesting Dimaga or Moon should be ahead of Myungsik?
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On April 09 2019 01:05 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2019 22:14 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On April 08 2019 20:54 Acrofales wrote:I really want to know what happened here: RorO & Has (2) I understand Thorzain and Has as someone just disliking all Korean SC2 players (or trolling with the full foreigner vote). I neither dislike Koreans nor was trolling, and had a real hard time deciding who I liked better of Parting or Thorzain. Roro was always going to be the worst though. If he had any entertaining games, Broodlord-Infestor has eclipsed them from my memory. And people who pretend Roro needs to advance "because of performance" still haven't explained to me how Myungsik got through. What? Are you suggesting Dimaga or Moon should be ahead of Myungsik?
Dimaga, most definitely. He was relevant on a global level at the dawn of StarCraft while Myungsik reached ro4 in Code S once, won nothing by himself in his career, annoyed everyone and is mostly famous for his tears of anger.
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On April 09 2019 01:19 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2019 01:05 Charoisaur wrote:On April 08 2019 22:14 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On April 08 2019 20:54 Acrofales wrote:I really want to know what happened here: RorO & Has (2) I understand Thorzain and Has as someone just disliking all Korean SC2 players (or trolling with the full foreigner vote). I neither dislike Koreans nor was trolling, and had a real hard time deciding who I liked better of Parting or Thorzain. Roro was always going to be the worst though. If he had any entertaining games, Broodlord-Infestor has eclipsed them from my memory. And people who pretend Roro needs to advance "because of performance" still haven't explained to me how Myungsik got through. What? Are you suggesting Dimaga or Moon should be ahead of Myungsik? Dimaga, most definitely. He was relevant on a global level at the dawn of StarCraft while Myungsik reached ro4 in Code S once, won nothing by himself in his career, annoyed everyone and is mostly famous for his tears of anger.
Interesting how making ro4 GSL is so unimpressive for a korean but when a foreigner does well in GSL (Jinro, Neeb, Scarlett) he gets hyped up beyond belief.
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On April 09 2019 01:05 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2019 22:14 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On April 08 2019 20:54 Acrofales wrote:I really want to know what happened here: RorO & Has (2) I understand Thorzain and Has as someone just disliking all Korean SC2 players (or trolling with the full foreigner vote). I neither dislike Koreans nor was trolling, and had a real hard time deciding who I liked better of Parting or Thorzain. Roro was always going to be the worst though. If he had any entertaining games, Broodlord-Infestor has eclipsed them from my memory. And people who pretend Roro needs to advance "because of performance" still haven't explained to me how Myungsik got through. What? Are you suggesting Dimaga or Moon should be ahead of Myungsik?
What do you mean "suggesting"? Myungsik achieved nothing of relevance, even the most brain-addled GSL-is-the-only-tournament-that-matters fanatic can only raise him up to be worth half a Jinro.
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On April 09 2019 01:39 Fanatic-Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2019 01:05 Charoisaur wrote:On April 08 2019 22:14 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On April 08 2019 20:54 Acrofales wrote:I really want to know what happened here: RorO & Has (2) I understand Thorzain and Has as someone just disliking all Korean SC2 players (or trolling with the full foreigner vote). I neither dislike Koreans nor was trolling, and had a real hard time deciding who I liked better of Parting or Thorzain. Roro was always going to be the worst though. If he had any entertaining games, Broodlord-Infestor has eclipsed them from my memory. And people who pretend Roro needs to advance "because of performance" still haven't explained to me how Myungsik got through. What? Are you suggesting Dimaga or Moon should be ahead of Myungsik? What do you mean "suggesting"? Myungsik achieved nothing of relevance, even the most brain-addled GSL-is-the-only-tournament-that-matters fanatic can only raise him up to be worth half a Jinro.
And what did Dimaga achieve?
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