EPTOn November 04 2018 18:17 Argonauta wrote:
oh wow, the match against rogue was incredible.
oh wow, the match against rogue was incredible.
The final game was a GOAT contender, and it was a zvz............
[WCS 2018] Global Finals - Finals Day - Page 148
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b0rt_
Norway931 Posts
The final game was a GOAT contender, and it was a zvz............ | ||
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Makro
France16890 Posts
On November 04 2018 21:49 Vanillatoss wrote: People will always find excuses to strip X player of his/her achivement.. the most common are: 1. online != offline.. he would not stand a chance in offline tourney... 2. he beat Y player only because Y player wasnt in his/her peak form / ms issues ect... 3. player Y is still better.. just was unlucky.. 4. if it wasnt for cheese... 5. in long macro game he has no chance... 6. avoided YXZ player (he'd loose to them but they got eliminated by other players) 7. It's just xxxx tournament.. GLS / Blizzcon / SSL (pick one) is where the best players win. 8. it's just weekend tournament.. if XX had time to prepare he would have won. ect ect... Funny really. The fact is: Serral won WCS beating TOP koreans on his way.. He's the best 2018 starcraft 2 player . END OF STORY. since the beginning of SC2 (at least), the main point has always been confronting foreigners on how they would perform in any GSL taeja suffered the main treatment also get over it guys, serral manhandled koreans even on korean soil (gsl vs the world) | ||
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krnbrg89
13 Posts
Stats showed glimpses of resistance but I think Maru playing at his very best would have offered Serral more resistance - however, Maru chose to play his worst offline games of 2018 against $O$ so we didnt get the Serral Maru final. Looking ahead, I'm very excited about TaeJa and how good he already is and how great he has the potential to become for next BlizzCon. | ||
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krnbrg89
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stilt
France2754 Posts
On November 04 2018 21:56 Poopi wrote: As a big MKP fan, definitely no... Hell even Sniper and Seed won a GSL, my boy could not. Come on you don't place Seed, Roro and Sniper above MKP ? Even if you count the achievement done in gsl MKP is far above and more influencable. Those guys are a proof that actually winning a gsl does not necessarely mean that you're really one of the greatest to touch the game. Btw, you can think getting 4 second place in a more competitive environnement is a way better feat than winning 3 in a less one while you have a lot of major advantages over your opponents but well, agree to disagree :p Finally the idea of only remembering the winner is a bit naive and not very used in most sports contrary to popular belief. (In the world cup 1954 and 1974, which teams are the most revered and remembered? Surely not the winners) I made this comparaison with football cuz there is still this idea that a player who won a world cup is inherently better than all the ones who did not, in this case, Guivarch is way better than Di Stefano, Eusebio, Platini or Cruyff. Anyway, that becomes a bit pointless, no idea what serral's legacy will be but for sure it's great. | ||
Poopi
France12906 Posts
Team house brings advantage for proleague teamleague, but for individual league it doesn't matter much. Maru had teamhouse for a long time and only recently exploded. ByuN with good wrists ran circles around the entire korean scene without a team. soO 4 finals in a row is impressive but nowhere near as much as Maru 2018, no matter the difference in era. | ||
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Aegwynn
Italy460 Posts
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Azzur
Australia6260 Posts
blah blah blah GSL blah blah blah blah blah blah sick blah blah blah blah blah blah region lock blah blah blah blah blah blah korean elitist blah blah blah Haters gonna hate! CONGRATS SERRAL FOR THE BEST PLAYER OF THE YEAR!!! | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On November 04 2018 22:18 kaykoose wrote: Friendly reminder - Maru LOST BADLY in the ro8. Serral had a tougher tournament path and made everyone but Stats look easy. Y'all are going to stop discrediting this man. Serral being able to ZvZ to the finals and ZvP to win isn't what I'd call the toughest path for him. Maru has exclusively only lost to protoss during the last six months, sOs/Stats/Classic are the only players to have eliminated him from anything. If they were both zerg I'd agree with you, but they aren't. | ||
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Aegwynn
Italy460 Posts
On November 05 2018 01:06 Fango wrote: Serral being able to ZvZ to the finals and ZvP to win isn't what I'd call the toughest path for him. Maru has exclusively only lost to protoss during the last six months, sOs/Stats/Classic are the only players to have eliminated him from anything. If they were both zerg I'd agree with you, but they aren't. hahahahahahhaa | ||
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hexhaven
Finland955 Posts
On November 05 2018 01:06 Fango wrote: Serral being able to ZvZ to the finals and ZvP to win isn't what I'd call the toughest path for him. Maru has exclusively only lost to protoss during the last six months, sOs/Stats/Classic are the only players to have eliminated him from anything. If they were both zerg I'd agree with you, but they aren't. In the last six months Serral has exclusively only lost to ... no, wait, he hasn't. ^_____~ | ||
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JoeCool
Germany2520 Posts
On November 05 2018 01:06 Fango wrote: Serral being able to ZvZ to the finals and ZvP to win isn't what I'd call the toughest path for him. Maru has exclusively only lost to protoss during the last six months, sOs/Stats/Classic are the only players to have eliminated him from anything. If they were both zerg I'd agree with you, but they aren't. Maru lost to himself this time. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On November 05 2018 01:11 hexhaven wrote: In the last six months Serral has exclusively only lost to ... no, wait, he hasn't. ^_____~ Wrong. He also lost exclusively to Protoss  (Neeb 3-0 in some online nonsense two weeks ago) | ||
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Carebesen
Germany2 Posts
still, congratz to serral, that was really impressive, that game vs 2stargate phoenix where he lost 20drones, had 3 spores at every base and still sits at 76 drones, 10 ahead of the protoss at 8minutes makes ZvP just look imbalanced | ||
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Aegwynn
Italy460 Posts
On November 05 2018 01:16 Carebesen wrote: i think most people are just pissed because we had so few good games out of the most hyped event of the year, atleast i am. except roque vs ty and roque vs serral there were no really good series, even the final only had 3 close games, not much worth rewatching. that´s why i wanted maru vs serral, that would never go 3:0 either way after like 30minutes. still, congratz to serral, that was really impressive, that game vs 2stargate phoenix where he lost 20drones, had 3 spores at every base and still sits at 76 drones, 10 ahead of the protoss at 8minutes makes ZvP just look imbalanced Considering how Maru got stomped by the weakest ro8 player, it would be easy 4-0 for Serral tbh. Stats has proven that he was the most worthy finalist with his solid play. | ||
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krnbrg89
13 Posts
This so very much. Not that $O$ played poorly at all, he played very well - Maru just played extraordinarily awfully disasterously relative to how well he is capable of playing. | ||
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Poopi
France12906 Posts
On November 05 2018 01:21 Aegwynn wrote: Considering how Maru got stomped by the weakest ro8 player, it would be easy 4-0 for Serral tbh. Stats has proven that he was the most worthy finalist with his solid play. Not the same match-up. Even in this patch where TvZ is really difficult I expect Maru to beat Serral h2h | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On November 05 2018 01:11 hexhaven wrote: In the last six months Serral has exclusively only lost to ... no, wait, he hasn't. ^_____~ Yeah but Serral in his current form isn't losing any ZvZs. Its reasonable to assume his ZvT was his weakest matchup. Sure he hasn't lost since Maru 3-0'd him at wesg, but he hasn't played a terran close to that level either. Maru (and terrans and in general probably now) weakest MU is TvP. That's why I said he got a tougher bracket. He would have probably loved to TvT and TvZ his way to the final but it didn't happen. | ||
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Xiphias
Norway2223 Posts
On November 04 2018 22:37 Antisocialmunky wrote: Holy crap, I came here because I saw this on the front page of reddit. Its been like 20 years since a foreigner made a run like this. I haven't watched SCII in ages so I'm a bit out of the loop, when will VODs for the game be posted? You can find the whole series here for now: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/331332753 I'm sure they'll get to youtube shortly. Epic games, well worth the watch. | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium4033 Posts
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