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On April 23 2018 02:41 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2018 02:38 ArtyK wrote:On April 23 2018 02:37 Fango wrote:On April 23 2018 02:35 ArtyK wrote:On April 23 2018 02:33 Fango wrote:On April 23 2018 02:30 ArtyK wrote:On April 23 2018 02:28 Fango wrote:On April 23 2018 02:28 Lyyna wrote:On April 23 2018 02:25 ArtyK wrote:On April 23 2018 02:23 Lyyna wrote:
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Sure, let's remove sensor towers. What could go wrong in a matchup where it's all about positionning and mobility.
I hope you like doom drops. Yeah cause a building that completly removes any possibilities to outmanoeuver your opponent unless he never looks at his map is sensible, you're right. Not like fighting for map control was an option amiright Right. We never see any doom drop as soon as a sensor tower hits the field at pro level. Medivacs absolutly can't fly through the radius in about 5sec, amirite ? have you ever played a TvT , actually ? He plays diamond league TvT where people can spam 8 sensor towers and get maphacks apparently. Which is imba and what league do you play tvt at fango I don't. I'm assuming you're diamond because you think sensor towers should be removed. And what does level has to do with this? By your standards you should have no say in anything about the game considering you don't even play so its kinda weird to bring it up dont you think I never said you should have no say about the game? I just said I'm assuming you're diamond. Well your incredible knowledge of the game failed you for once, cause i play random at 5k mmr and yes, lyyna is better, what does it change in a conversation about sensor towers? idk Well done. But the game should be balanced around the top level, not games on your (or my) level. You seem to be refering purely to your own experience here when saying sensor towers should be removed.
and in what universe is tvt sensor towers a balance issue, please wake up
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On April 23 2018 02:39 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
soO's final curse will carry us
It didn't even carry dark.
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On April 23 2018 02:40 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2018 02:38 Fango wrote:
Just to clarify - I'm not saying diamond players don't know anything or don't have any say. But if you're losing to stupid shit in diamond league it's not worth balancing the game over. This isn't about balance though :O
He literally said sensor towers need a balance patch where they're removed.
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On April 23 2018 02:41 ArtyK wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2018 02:41 Fango wrote:On April 23 2018 02:38 ArtyK wrote:On April 23 2018 02:37 Fango wrote:On April 23 2018 02:35 ArtyK wrote:On April 23 2018 02:33 Fango wrote:On April 23 2018 02:30 ArtyK wrote:On April 23 2018 02:28 Fango wrote:On April 23 2018 02:28 Lyyna wrote:On April 23 2018 02:25 ArtyK wrote:
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Yeah cause a building that completly removes any possibilities to outmanoeuver your opponent unless he never looks at his map is sensible, you're right.
Not like fighting for map control was an option amiright Right. We never see any doom drop as soon as a sensor tower hits the field at pro level. Medivacs absolutly can't fly through the radius in about 5sec, amirite ? have you ever played a TvT , actually ? He plays diamond league TvT where people can spam 8 sensor towers and get maphacks apparently. Which is imba and what league do you play tvt at fango I don't. I'm assuming you're diamond because you think sensor towers should be removed. And what does level has to do with this? By your standards you should have no say in anything about the game considering you don't even play so its kinda weird to bring it up dont you think I never said you should have no say about the game? I just said I'm assuming you're diamond. Well your incredible knowledge of the game failed you for once, cause i play random at 5k mmr and yes, lyyna is better, what does it change in a conversation about sensor towers? idk Well done. But the game should be balanced around the top level, not games on your (or my) level. You seem to be refering purely to your own experience here when saying sensor towers should be removed. and in what universe is tvt sensor towers a balance issue, please wake up
On April 23 2018 02:14 ArtyK wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2018 02:12 Boggyb wrote:
Man, a sensor tower on the 3rd looks amazing on Acid Plant. sensor towers would look even more amazing in a balance patch where they are removed
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On April 23 2018 02:41 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2018 02:40 Boggyb wrote:On April 23 2018 02:38 Penev wrote:
How to put this; innovation is just boringly too good? You rarely get fun games with a large skill gap between the opponents unless the gap is massive then they can do cheesy things and still win. so the answer is "yes"
I mean, when Maru and Byun play inferior opponents they will frequently mix in sick micro or multitask and other stylistic tricks they wouldn't try on equals. Inno though just plays the same old way against inferior opponents and bulldozes them. The only difference is that his first or second push wins the game instead of his fourth or fifth one.
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On April 23 2018 02:42 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2018 02:41 ArtyK wrote:On April 23 2018 02:41 Fango wrote:On April 23 2018 02:38 ArtyK wrote:On April 23 2018 02:37 Fango wrote:On April 23 2018 02:35 ArtyK wrote:On April 23 2018 02:33 Fango wrote:On April 23 2018 02:30 ArtyK wrote:On April 23 2018 02:28 Fango wrote:On April 23 2018 02:28 Lyyna wrote:
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Right. We never see any doom drop as soon as a sensor tower hits the field at pro level.
Medivacs absolutly can't fly through the radius in about 5sec, amirite ?
have you ever played a TvT , actually ? He plays diamond league TvT where people can spam 8 sensor towers and get maphacks apparently. Which is imba and what league do you play tvt at fango I don't. I'm assuming you're diamond because you think sensor towers should be removed. And what does level has to do with this? By your standards you should have no say in anything about the game considering you don't even play so its kinda weird to bring it up dont you think I never said you should have no say about the game? I just said I'm assuming you're diamond. Well your incredible knowledge of the game failed you for once, cause i play random at 5k mmr and yes, lyyna is better, what does it change in a conversation about sensor towers? idk Well done. But the game should be balanced around the top level, not games on your (or my) level. You seem to be refering purely to your own experience here when saying sensor towers should be removed. and in what universe is tvt sensor towers a balance issue, please wake up Show nested quote +On April 23 2018 02:14 ArtyK wrote:On April 23 2018 02:12 Boggyb wrote:
Man, a sensor tower on the 3rd looks amazing on Acid Plant. sensor towers would look even more amazing in a balance patch where they are removed
wow he said balance patch instead of design patch, that changes everything
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On April 23 2018 02:42 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2018 02:41 ArtyK wrote:On April 23 2018 02:41 Fango wrote:On April 23 2018 02:38 ArtyK wrote:On April 23 2018 02:37 Fango wrote:On April 23 2018 02:35 ArtyK wrote:On April 23 2018 02:33 Fango wrote:On April 23 2018 02:30 ArtyK wrote:On April 23 2018 02:28 Fango wrote:On April 23 2018 02:28 Lyyna wrote:
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Right. We never see any doom drop as soon as a sensor tower hits the field at pro level.
Medivacs absolutly can't fly through the radius in about 5sec, amirite ?
have you ever played a TvT , actually ? He plays diamond league TvT where people can spam 8 sensor towers and get maphacks apparently. Which is imba and what league do you play tvt at fango I don't. I'm assuming you're diamond because you think sensor towers should be removed. And what does level has to do with this? By your standards you should have no say in anything about the game considering you don't even play so its kinda weird to bring it up dont you think I never said you should have no say about the game? I just said I'm assuming you're diamond. Well your incredible knowledge of the game failed you for once, cause i play random at 5k mmr and yes, lyyna is better, what does it change in a conversation about sensor towers? idk Well done. But the game should be balanced around the top level, not games on your (or my) level. You seem to be refering purely to your own experience here when saying sensor towers should be removed. and in what universe is tvt sensor towers a balance issue, please wake up Show nested quote +On April 23 2018 02:14 ArtyK wrote:On April 23 2018 02:12 Boggyb wrote:
Man, a sensor tower on the 3rd looks amazing on Acid Plant. sensor towers would look even more amazing in a balance patch where they are removed
alright then, DESIGN patch, sorry for not realising i had to clarify everything like i would to a 5yo
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Why are we complaining about sensor towers when something absurd as supply depot lift-off still exists in the game?
You can completely wall off your bases and deny any Zergling/Zealot attacks for no cost since you want to build depot anyways.
And once you want to move out you don't even have to kill them because of this stupid game mechanic, this shit can't be removed fast enough.
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On April 23 2018 02:43 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2018 02:42 Fango wrote:On April 23 2018 02:41 ArtyK wrote:On April 23 2018 02:41 Fango wrote:On April 23 2018 02:38 ArtyK wrote:On April 23 2018 02:37 Fango wrote:On April 23 2018 02:35 ArtyK wrote:On April 23 2018 02:33 Fango wrote:On April 23 2018 02:30 ArtyK wrote:On April 23 2018 02:28 Fango wrote:
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He plays diamond league TvT where people can spam 8 sensor towers and get maphacks apparently. Which is imba and what league do you play tvt at fango I don't. I'm assuming you're diamond because you think sensor towers should be removed. And what does level has to do with this? By your standards you should have no say in anything about the game considering you don't even play so its kinda weird to bring it up dont you think I never said you should have no say about the game? I just said I'm assuming you're diamond. Well your incredible knowledge of the game failed you for once, cause i play random at 5k mmr and yes, lyyna is better, what does it change in a conversation about sensor towers? idk Well done. But the game should be balanced around the top level, not games on your (or my) level. You seem to be refering purely to your own experience here when saying sensor towers should be removed. and in what universe is tvt sensor towers a balance issue, please wake up On April 23 2018 02:14 ArtyK wrote:On April 23 2018 02:12 Boggyb wrote:
Man, a sensor tower on the 3rd looks amazing on Acid Plant. sensor towers would look even more amazing in a balance patch where they are removed wow he said balance patch instead of design patch, that changes everything
I mean it kinda does. He never clarified that point just went on to complain about TvT in particular
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On April 23 2018 02:44 Charoisaur wrote:
Why are we complaining about sensor towers when something absurd as supply depot lift-off still exists in the game?
You can completely wall off your bases and deny any Zergling/Zealot attacks for no cost since you want to build depot anyways.
And once you want to move out you don't even have to kill them because of this stupid game mechanic, this shit can't be removed fast enough.
It wouldn't be the biggest deal if people didn't dumb it down to ranks as soon as they disagree :>
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On April 23 2018 02:44 Charoisaur wrote:
Why are we complaining about sensor towers when something absurd as supply depot lift-off still exists in the game?
You can completely wall off your bases and deny any Zergling/Zealot attacks for no cost since you want to build depot anyways.
And once you want to move out you don't even have to kill them because of this stupid game mechanic, this shit can't be removed fast enough.
It all depends on the matchup, yeah? I for one can't imagine complaining about anything (terran) balance wise except for ghosts and to a lesser extent ravens.
EDIT: Game 9 please!! Harstem fighting!
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On April 23 2018 02:44 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2018 02:43 Durnuu wrote:On April 23 2018 02:42 Fango wrote:On April 23 2018 02:41 ArtyK wrote:On April 23 2018 02:41 Fango wrote:On April 23 2018 02:38 ArtyK wrote:On April 23 2018 02:37 Fango wrote:On April 23 2018 02:35 ArtyK wrote:On April 23 2018 02:33 Fango wrote:On April 23 2018 02:30 ArtyK wrote:
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and what league do you play tvt at fango I don't. I'm assuming you're diamond because you think sensor towers should be removed. And what does level has to do with this? By your standards you should have no say in anything about the game considering you don't even play so its kinda weird to bring it up dont you think I never said you should have no say about the game? I just said I'm assuming you're diamond. Well your incredible knowledge of the game failed you for once, cause i play random at 5k mmr and yes, lyyna is better, what does it change in a conversation about sensor towers? idk Well done. But the game should be balanced around the top level, not games on your (or my) level. You seem to be refering purely to your own experience here when saying sensor towers should be removed. and in what universe is tvt sensor towers a balance issue, please wake up On April 23 2018 02:14 ArtyK wrote:On April 23 2018 02:12 Boggyb wrote:
Man, a sensor tower on the 3rd looks amazing on Acid Plant. sensor towers would look even more amazing in a balance patch where they are removed wow he said balance patch instead of design patch, that changes everything I mean it kinda does. He never clarified that point just went on to complain about TvT in particular
and tvt wasnt enough of a hint that it wasnt a balance complaint :>
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On April 23 2018 02:44 Charoisaur wrote:
Why are we complaining about sensor towers when something absurd as supply depot lift-off still exists in the game?
You can completely wall off your bases and deny any Zergling/Zealot attacks for no cost since you want to build depot anyways.
And once you want to move out you don't even have to kill them because of this stupid game mechanic, this shit can't be removed fast enough.
If they removed the ability to raise/lower depots, Terran win rates would drop at least 10% against Zerg unless other changes are made.
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On April 23 2018 02:45 mierin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2018 02:44 Charoisaur wrote:
Why are we complaining about sensor towers when something absurd as supply depot lift-off still exists in the game?
You can completely wall off your bases and deny any Zergling/Zealot attacks for no cost since you want to build depot anyways.
And once you want to move out you don't even have to kill them because of this stupid game mechanic, this shit can't be removed fast enough. It all depends on the matchup, yeah? I for one can't imagine complaining about anything (terran) balance wise except for ghosts and to a lesser extent ravens.
u gotta complain about chronoboost too, dont fall behind in the game
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Remove warpgate pls. Ruining game tbh.
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On April 23 2018 02:43 ArtyK wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2018 02:42 Fango wrote:On April 23 2018 02:41 ArtyK wrote:On April 23 2018 02:41 Fango wrote:On April 23 2018 02:38 ArtyK wrote:On April 23 2018 02:37 Fango wrote:On April 23 2018 02:35 ArtyK wrote:On April 23 2018 02:33 Fango wrote:On April 23 2018 02:30 ArtyK wrote:On April 23 2018 02:28 Fango wrote:
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He plays diamond league TvT where people can spam 8 sensor towers and get maphacks apparently. Which is imba and what league do you play tvt at fango I don't. I'm assuming you're diamond because you think sensor towers should be removed. And what does level has to do with this? By your standards you should have no say in anything about the game considering you don't even play so its kinda weird to bring it up dont you think I never said you should have no say about the game? I just said I'm assuming you're diamond. Well your incredible knowledge of the game failed you for once, cause i play random at 5k mmr and yes, lyyna is better, what does it change in a conversation about sensor towers? idk Well done. But the game should be balanced around the top level, not games on your (or my) level. You seem to be refering purely to your own experience here when saying sensor towers should be removed. and in what universe is tvt sensor towers a balance issue, please wake up On April 23 2018 02:14 ArtyK wrote:On April 23 2018 02:12 Boggyb wrote:
Man, a sensor tower on the 3rd looks amazing on Acid Plant. sensor towers would look even more amazing in a balance patch where they are removed alright then, DESIGN patch, sorry for not realising i had to clarify everything like i would to a 5yo
Balance and design are two different things. If you mess them up then it's hardly my fault for taking your actual written word for it.
Either way, my point is that your ladder games aren't the best indicator of balance design. Sensor tower spam isn't an issue in high level play so it really shouldn't be the focus of the balance team. If you were complaining about pro level games then fair enough, but you haven't mentioned any.
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If INnoVation wins this game, his 5-2 prediction with MMA and soO losing will be fulfilled.
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