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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
April 22 2018 17:37 GMT
#781
Vintage teamleague Innovation
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
April 22 2018 17:37 GMT
#782
On April 23 2018 02:35 ArtyK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2018 02:33 Fango wrote:
On April 23 2018 02:30 ArtyK wrote:
On April 23 2018 02:28 Fango wrote:
On April 23 2018 02:28 Lyyna wrote:
On April 23 2018 02:25 ArtyK wrote:
On April 23 2018 02:23 Lyyna wrote:
On April 23 2018 02:22 ArtyK wrote:
On April 23 2018 02:20 Fango wrote:
On April 23 2018 02:19 ArtyK wrote:
[quote]

Doesn't make it any less stupid. A matchup where positionning is everything, you jut get maphacks over half the map with 2 buildings instead of needing to fight for map control

It does when the scenario described is very rare or unrealistic. At low level play all kinds of stupid strategies might happen.


You're right it promotes great plays in pro games

Sure, let's remove sensor towers. What could go wrong in a matchup where it's all about positionning and mobility.
I hope you like doom drops.


Yeah cause a building that completly removes any possibilities to outmanoeuver your opponent unless he never looks at his map is sensible, you're right.
Not like fighting for map control was an option amiright

Right. We never see any doom drop as soon as a sensor tower hits the field at pro level.
Medivacs absolutly can't fly through the radius in about 5sec, amirite ?

have you ever played a TvT , actually ?

He plays diamond league TvT where people can spam 8 sensor towers and get maphacks apparently. Which is imba


and what league do you play tvt at fango

I don't. I'm assuming you're diamond because you think sensor towers should be removed.


And what does level has to do with this? By your standards you should have no say in anything about the game considering you don't even play so its kinda weird to bring it up dont you think


I never said you should have no say about the game? I just said I'm assuming you're diamond.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55555 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-22 17:38:04
April 22 2018 17:37 GMT
#783
On April 23 2018 02:35 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2018 02:35 Wintex wrote:
grudgematch and go back to discussing the game boys

I can't, down here in diamond, we don't know jackshit about starcraft

Please, you're masters because you lost your placement match, remember?
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13322 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-22 17:38:16
April 22 2018 17:38 GMT
#784
On April 23 2018 02:37 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2018 02:35 Ej_ wrote:
On April 23 2018 02:35 Wintex wrote:
grudgematch and go back to discussing the game boys

I can't, down here in diamond, we don't know jackshit about starcraft

Please, you're masters because you lost your placement match, remember?

Masters is still 4k gutter though
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28503 Posts
April 22 2018 17:38 GMT
#785
How to put this; innovation is just boringly too good?
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
April 22 2018 17:38 GMT
#786
On April 23 2018 02:37 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2018 02:35 Ej_ wrote:
On April 23 2018 02:35 Wintex wrote:
grudgematch and go back to discussing the game boys

I can't, down here in diamond, we don't know jackshit about starcraft

Please, your masters because you lost your placement match, remember?

im just a diamond player carried by proxy swarm hosts
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
ArtyK
Profile Joined June 2011
France3143 Posts
April 22 2018 17:38 GMT
#787
On April 23 2018 02:37 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2018 02:35 ArtyK wrote:
On April 23 2018 02:33 Fango wrote:
On April 23 2018 02:30 ArtyK wrote:
On April 23 2018 02:28 Fango wrote:
On April 23 2018 02:28 Lyyna wrote:
On April 23 2018 02:25 ArtyK wrote:
On April 23 2018 02:23 Lyyna wrote:
On April 23 2018 02:22 ArtyK wrote:
On April 23 2018 02:20 Fango wrote:
[quote]
It does when the scenario described is very rare or unrealistic. At low level play all kinds of stupid strategies might happen.


You're right it promotes great plays in pro games

Sure, let's remove sensor towers. What could go wrong in a matchup where it's all about positionning and mobility.
I hope you like doom drops.


Yeah cause a building that completly removes any possibilities to outmanoeuver your opponent unless he never looks at his map is sensible, you're right.
Not like fighting for map control was an option amiright

Right. We never see any doom drop as soon as a sensor tower hits the field at pro level.
Medivacs absolutly can't fly through the radius in about 5sec, amirite ?

have you ever played a TvT , actually ?

He plays diamond league TvT where people can spam 8 sensor towers and get maphacks apparently. Which is imba


and what league do you play tvt at fango

I don't. I'm assuming you're diamond because you think sensor towers should be removed.


And what does level has to do with this? By your standards you should have no say in anything about the game considering you don't even play so its kinda weird to bring it up dont you think


I never said you should have no say about the game? I just said I'm assuming you're diamond.


Well your incredible knowledge of the game failed you for once, cause i play random at 5k mmr and yes, lyyna is better, what does it change in a conversation about sensor towers? idk
Sup dood ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ KiWiKaKi | SLush | uThermal | PtitDrogo | SortOf | Clem ~ "I told my mom she should vote for me in Nation Wars, she said 'I dunno, I kinda want Finland to win'" – Luolis ~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_NScWV9h8k#t=1h01m
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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
April 22 2018 17:38 GMT
#788
Just to clarify - I'm not saying diamond players don't know anything or don't have any say. But if you're losing to stupid shit in diamond league it's not worth balancing the game over.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
April 22 2018 17:39 GMT
#789
soO's final curse will carry us

Neosteel Enthusiast
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16008 Posts
April 22 2018 17:40 GMT
#790
I miss Proleague
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28503 Posts
April 22 2018 17:40 GMT
#791
sensor towers

FIGHT!
I Protoss winner, could it be?
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
April 22 2018 17:40 GMT
#792
On April 23 2018 02:38 Fango wrote:
Just to clarify - I'm not saying diamond players don't know anything or don't have any say. But if you're losing to stupid shit in diamond league it's not worth balancing the game over.

This isn't about balance though :O
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
April 22 2018 17:40 GMT
#793
On April 23 2018 02:38 Penev wrote:
How to put this; innovation is just boringly too good?

You rarely get fun games with a large skill gap between the opponents unless the gap is massive then they can do cheesy things and still win.
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
April 22 2018 17:40 GMT
#794
On April 23 2018 02:35 Boggyb wrote:
Did INno forget to make an armory till now or was that a strategic choice?


He forgot, this is a build he's used all the time (like against herO when he went for disruptors)
Denominator of the Universe
TL+ Member
Fran_
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1024 Posts
April 22 2018 17:40 GMT
#795
The rekt is real.
ArtyK
Profile Joined June 2011
France3143 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-22 17:41:30
April 22 2018 17:40 GMT
#796
On April 23 2018 02:40 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2018 02:38 Fango wrote:
Just to clarify - I'm not saying diamond players don't know anything or don't have any say. But if you're losing to stupid shit in diamond league it's not worth balancing the game over.

This isn't about balance though :O


Im talking tvt sensor towers so obviously im a diamond and im talking balance apparently :>
Sup dood ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ KiWiKaKi | SLush | uThermal | PtitDrogo | SortOf | Clem ~ "I told my mom she should vote for me in Nation Wars, she said 'I dunno, I kinda want Finland to win'" – Luolis ~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_NScWV9h8k#t=1h01m
TL+ Member
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
April 22 2018 17:41 GMT
#797
On April 23 2018 02:38 ArtyK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2018 02:37 Fango wrote:
On April 23 2018 02:35 ArtyK wrote:
On April 23 2018 02:33 Fango wrote:
On April 23 2018 02:30 ArtyK wrote:
On April 23 2018 02:28 Fango wrote:
On April 23 2018 02:28 Lyyna wrote:
On April 23 2018 02:25 ArtyK wrote:
On April 23 2018 02:23 Lyyna wrote:
On April 23 2018 02:22 ArtyK wrote:
[quote]

You're right it promotes great plays in pro games

Sure, let's remove sensor towers. What could go wrong in a matchup where it's all about positionning and mobility.
I hope you like doom drops.


Yeah cause a building that completly removes any possibilities to outmanoeuver your opponent unless he never looks at his map is sensible, you're right.
Not like fighting for map control was an option amiright

Right. We never see any doom drop as soon as a sensor tower hits the field at pro level.
Medivacs absolutly can't fly through the radius in about 5sec, amirite ?

have you ever played a TvT , actually ?

He plays diamond league TvT where people can spam 8 sensor towers and get maphacks apparently. Which is imba


and what league do you play tvt at fango

I don't. I'm assuming you're diamond because you think sensor towers should be removed.


And what does level has to do with this? By your standards you should have no say in anything about the game considering you don't even play so its kinda weird to bring it up dont you think


I never said you should have no say about the game? I just said I'm assuming you're diamond.


Well your incredible knowledge of the game failed you for once, cause i play random at 5k mmr and yes, lyyna is better, what does it change in a conversation about sensor towers? idk

Well done. But the game should be balanced around the top level, not games on your (or my) level. You seem to be refering purely to your own experience here when saying sensor towers should be removed.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-22 17:41:30
April 22 2018 17:41 GMT
#798
Wait what is going on, is this league shaming on TL?

I thought that shit only happened over at bnet. MODS PLZ
Denominator of the Universe
TL+ Member
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55555 Posts
April 22 2018 17:41 GMT
#799
On April 23 2018 02:40 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2018 02:35 Boggyb wrote:
Did INno forget to make an armory till now or was that a strategic choice?


He forgot, this is a build he's used all the time (like against herO when he went for disruptors)

I'm pretty sure he skipped it on purpose for a while cause he needed the gas for lib range & a high liberator count.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28503 Posts
April 22 2018 17:41 GMT
#800
On April 23 2018 02:40 Boggyb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2018 02:38 Penev wrote:
How to put this; innovation is just boringly too good?

You rarely get fun games with a large skill gap between the opponents unless the gap is massive then they can do cheesy things and still win.

so the answer is "yes"
I Protoss winner, could it be?
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