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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On April 01 2018 05:52 Fango wrote: That seems like a pointless comment. Put them in an equal economic position in either game and Inno would have destroyed him? It's just as pointless as yours though, both start the game with equal economic positions :O Major played better and won | ||
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nath
United States1788 Posts
On April 01 2018 05:52 Fango wrote: That seems like a pointless comment. Put them in an equal economic position in either game and Inno would have destroyed him? yes it does, since you took away about 75% of the comment (and the main point of the comment) | ||
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Gurbak
France622 Posts
On April 01 2018 05:53 The_Red_Viper wrote: It's just as pointless as yours though, both start the game with equal economic positions :O Major played better and won special was lucky and innovation was jetlagged | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On April 01 2018 05:53 The_Red_Viper wrote: It's just as pointless as yours though, both start the game with equal economic positions :O Major played better and won That's my point, making comments like "if Special had Inno's superior control he would have won easier". Well yh but he doesn't that's why he didn't win that easily. Besides I still think Inno played better, even if it's an unpopular opinion. SpeCial got seriously lucky with the economic advantages that he gave despite his gameplay being worse. I said the same for the Kela vs TY match last year. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On April 01 2018 05:57 nath wrote: yes it does, since you took away about 75% of the comment (and the main point of the comment) Because I was refering to that particular line not the rest of it..... | ||
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Shathe
Hungary422 Posts
Completely outplayed on all levels. Special so good. Disagree. I was quite amazed actually with both Inno and Soo, how they made crazy good engagement with a lot less army. Special built up a great lead, which is nice and won him the games. Also nice multiprong harrass. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On April 01 2018 05:59 Fango wrote: That's my point, making comments like "if Special had Inno's superior control he would have won easier". Well yh but he doesn't that's why he didn't win that easily. Besides I still think Inno played better, even if it's an unpopular opinion. SpeCial got seriously lucky with the economic advantages that he gave despite his gameplay being worse. I said the same for the Kela vs TY match last year. Yes and i think your "special got lucky" is just as pointless (that's what i meant the first time already). Major won 2 games fair and square, there isn't more to it than that. Unless you literally mean that in game rng decided the games there is no point to find "ifs" in this case (playing same server, etc). Did Innovation play his position strong after he failed and got behind? Yeah sure but that's irrelevant. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On April 01 2018 06:05 The_Red_Viper wrote: Yes and i think your "special got lucky" is just as pointless (that's what i meant the first time already). Major won 2 games fair and square, there isn't more to it than that. Unless you literally mean that in game rng decided the games there is no point to find "ifs" in this case (playing same server, etc). Did Innovation play his position strong after he failed and got behind? Yeah sure but that's irrelevant. I'm not denying that SpeCial won or deserved to win. I'm saying he got lucky and won despite his play being on a lower level that his opponent for the majority of the gametime. And SpeCial did get lucky here. I'm not saying it was a diceroll build or rng determined or anything like that. I just think the advantages he got in the game were not what would happen in the majority of games. Nor is it something that's reliant on pure skill. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On April 01 2018 06:09 Fango wrote: I'm not denying that SpeCial won or deserved to win. I'm saying he got lucky and won despite his play being on a lower level that his opponent for the majority of the gametime. And SpeCial did get lucky here. I'm not saying it was a diceroll build or rng determined or anything like that. I just think the advantages he got in the game were not what would happen in the majority of games. Nor is it something that's reliant on pure skill. This goes too deep into the more philosophical area of what people even consider skill, luck, etc in a game with imperfect information, so i won't bother right now to start that debate on principles. But can you tell me what you think was so lucky about major's wins here? I guess for the second game you consider it pure luck how they ended up after the basetrade? | ||
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kaykoose
United States2302 Posts
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AUGcodon
Canada536 Posts
On April 01 2018 08:40 kaykoose wrote: How come we can't let Special and Mexico just have this win? Why does it always need to be luck when a Korean loses to a non-Korean? It's so hard to stomach these posts. Then we'd lose 50% of posts on teamliquid, kappa | ||
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
On April 01 2018 09:50 AUGcodon wrote: Then we'd lose 50% of posts on teamliquid, kappa Nah, there's always balance whine. I just watched these games. Game 6 especially was great! Too bad we have yet another crab apple of a discussion following it! = D | ||
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-Kyo-
Japan1926 Posts
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sashamunguia
Mexico423 Posts
On April 01 2018 11:15 neutralrobot wrote: Nah, there's always balance whine. I just watched these games. Game 6 especially was great! Too bad we have yet another crab apple of a discussion following it! = D This were AWESEOME games, and major won defeated 4 top koreans in a row. That's it All on the same time zone and server, things may be different tomorrow, but Special played great and won four games... | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
edit: and I would have been wrong, because this thing already happened and Mexico won wtf?! | ||
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
On April 01 2018 16:46 opisska wrote: If this was Innovation alone without a revive vs. all the other players, I would still favor Innovation. edit: and I would have been wrong, because this thing already happened and Mexico won wtf?! I missed the first two games that Korea won, but luckily I came back from family duties just when Special's first match had started. Boy am I glad I did, what incredibly exiting games! Of course, the result alone makes Special a SC2 living legend right there. People will talk about this for a long time. | ||
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Elentos
55555 Posts
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Durnuu
13322 Posts
On April 01 2018 17:11 Elentos wrote: Korea was all-killed by MarineLorD in NW3, by Scarlett in NW4 and now by SpeCial in NW5. The thing the Korean teams had in common? INnoVation. He was the weakest link all along. Scarlett didn't all-kill, Semper beat Zest the slumpest before she triple killed the rest. | ||
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
What was really mesmerising was Stephano's performance at the 2012 GSL world championship. Offline 4 wins in a row, Eyes fixed on screen. good ol' time. On April 01 2018 17:18 Durnuu wrote: Scarlett didn't all-kill, Semper beat Zest the slumpest before she triple killed the rest. He's trying to spread fake news. | ||
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
On April 01 2018 17:11 Elentos wrote: Korea was all-killed by MarineLorD in NW3, by Scarlett in NW4 and now by SpeCial in NW5. The thing the Korean teams had in common? INnoVation. He was the weakest link all along. Except of course, when Serral had brought Finland to a 3-0 lead and Innovation turned the table with an all-kill.  | ||
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