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On September 11 2017 04:21 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 04:20 DieuCure wrote:On September 11 2017 04:17 Gurbak wrote:On September 11 2017 04:16 pvsnp wrote:On September 11 2017 04:15 Gurbak wrote:On September 11 2017 04:14 DieuCure wrote:On September 11 2017 04:12 Gurbak wrote:On September 11 2017 04:12 DieuCure wrote:On September 11 2017 04:12 Sakat wrote: Neeb should  just Try GSL like all the proper SC2 players He tried ... Code A still better result than cure Not really , Cure played code S this year, and was near of Dark s lvl ( above but ultras and cheese ... ) no he was not in code s even noregret is better than cure Cure was in Code S in Season 1 oops forgot that :p Yes so stop trying to trashtalk the most gifted player in sc2 history just because you don't know anything please. The most gifted sc2 player was Taeja, literally didn't train and still won vs all the best koreans
Don't forget the ludicrous number of GSLs and other Korean tournaments he won.
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On September 11 2017 04:26 Myrddrael wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 04:20 SnowfaLL wrote:On September 11 2017 04:12 Trizz wrote:
Zerg has no micro options, all they can do is flank.
In battles like these with hydra/base vs sentry/storm it's all on the protoss and none on the zerg.
Something has to change, honestly. Well, take NEEB out of the tournament and here is your top 16 ZvP matches: TRUE 3:0 DnS Scarlett 3:2 Harstrem Serral 3:0 MaNa Snute 3:1 Has So, in actual matchups without Neeb in the game, zerg won 4 out of 4 matchups. Yeah, really weak race. How about just admitting Neeb is SO FAR ahead of all these nerds - thats why these finals are always so one sided despite zerg DOMINATING the rest of the tournament. (6 zerg out of top 8?? yeah. so bad.) This. Have a Zerg and a Terran as good as Neeb is and things would be different. Zerg tears tho
And the really sad thing is that Snute and Scarlett are both mechanically as good as Neeb, but for some stupid reason, they have this mental block vs a great protoss like Neeb and just do terrible all-ins and stupid decisions that lose them the series in 30 minutes.. (causing casual watchers to think zerg is weak rofl).. They dont do that vs other protosses like Has or MaNa, but vs Neeb they just go "Welp, I cant win anyways so mise well do a terrible 2 base timing!" - Its basically the mentality of foreigner zerg since the artosis/idra days - they are so ingrained with the balance whining that they dont even try unless they THINK they are massively superior vs an opponent. You don't see soO and Dark make stupid decisions like that vs protoss. This is the difference of foreigner vs korean. Koreans actually dont believe balance whine accomplishes anything but making excuses for themselves.
If Neeb switched to Zerg, he would be GSL level. He is just a superior player in all aspects of the game.
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On September 11 2017 04:17 Nerchio wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 04:15 Musicus wrote:
But seriously, why do they not understand that they have to put their thumb above the bottle opening to build up pressure when shaking it? Then they can really spray it.
Have they never seen Formula 1? Formula 1 have a lot better champagnes and a lot bigger, it's hard to build up pressure in this small bottle :p
While this is true, the thing is that no ones blocks the end of the bottle with their thump. That's the trick ;p
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On September 11 2017 04:30 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 04:21 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 11 2017 04:20 DieuCure wrote:On September 11 2017 04:17 Gurbak wrote:On September 11 2017 04:16 pvsnp wrote:On September 11 2017 04:15 Gurbak wrote:On September 11 2017 04:14 DieuCure wrote:On September 11 2017 04:12 Gurbak wrote:On September 11 2017 04:12 DieuCure wrote:On September 11 2017 04:12 Sakat wrote:Neeb should just Try GSL like all the proper SC2 players He tried ... Code A still better result than cure Not really , Cure played code S this year, and was near of Dark s lvl ( above but ultras and cheese ... ) no he was not in code s even noregret is better than cure Cure was in Code S in Season 1 oops forgot that :p Yes so stop trying to trashtalk the most gifted player in sc2 history just because you don't know anything please. The most gifted sc2 player was Taeja, literally didn't train and still won vs all the best koreans Don't forget the ludicrous number of GSLs and other Korean tournaments he won.
I remember the last few seasons where he simply wanted to retire but all the top koreans preparing for GSL still couldn't beat him until ro8/ro16.
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On September 11 2017 04:31 SnowfaLL wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 04:26 Myrddrael wrote:On September 11 2017 04:20 SnowfaLL wrote:On September 11 2017 04:12 Trizz wrote:
Zerg has no micro options, all they can do is flank.
In battles like these with hydra/base vs sentry/storm it's all on the protoss and none on the zerg.
Something has to change, honestly. Well, take NEEB out of the tournament and here is your top 16 ZvP matches: TRUE 3:0 DnS Scarlett 3:2 Harstrem Serral 3:0 MaNa Snute 3:1 Has So, in actual matchups without Neeb in the game, zerg won 4 out of 4 matchups. Yeah, really weak race. How about just admitting Neeb is SO FAR ahead of all these nerds - thats why these finals are always so one sided despite zerg DOMINATING the rest of the tournament. (6 zerg out of top 8?? yeah. so bad.) This. Have a Zerg and a Terran as good as Neeb is and things would be different. Zerg tears tho And the really sad thing is that Snute and Scarlett are both mechanically as good as Neeb, but for some stupid reason, they have this mental block vs a great protoss like Neeb and just do terrible all-ins and stupid decisions that lose them the series in 30 minutes.. (causing casual watchers to think zerg is weak rofl).. They dont do that vs other protosses like Has or MaNa, but vs Neeb they just go "Welp, I cant win anyways so mise well do a terrible 2 base timing!" - Its basically the mentality of foreigner zerg since the artosis/idra days - they are so ingrained with the balance whining that they dont even try unless they THINK they are massively superior vs an opponent. If Neeb switched to Zerg, he would be GSL level. He is just a superior player in all aspects of the game.
The problem was always that you can talk whatever shit you want but I need to prove the imbalance in 50 page essays. To be honest no % statistics that you can bring up will show if PvZ is broken or not. Try asking all top50 zergs and top50 protosses if PvZ is fair at the moment and then draw some conclusions. 49 out of 50 zergs(except TLO) will say it's not and probably even half of protosses will say the same.
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Why are all the terrans dead even before the tournament?
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On September 11 2017 04:36 Diabolique wrote:
Why are all the terrans dead even before the tournament?
because it was a foreigner tournament
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On September 11 2017 04:36 Diabolique wrote:
Why are all the terrans dead even before the tournament?
Major dropped out early, Kela made the Ro8. 1 Terran making a playoff run is pretty normal for foreign tourneys.
Every foreign event this year has 3 assumptions:
1. Huge overrepresentation of Zerg
2. 1 Terran makes it to playoffs before dying
3. Neeb wins
That's 2017 WCS Circuit in broad strokes
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On September 11 2017 04:35 Nerchio wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 04:31 SnowfaLL wrote:On September 11 2017 04:26 Myrddrael wrote:On September 11 2017 04:20 SnowfaLL wrote:On September 11 2017 04:12 Trizz wrote:
Zerg has no micro options, all they can do is flank.
In battles like these with hydra/base vs sentry/storm it's all on the protoss and none on the zerg.
Something has to change, honestly. Well, take NEEB out of the tournament and here is your top 16 ZvP matches: TRUE 3:0 DnS Scarlett 3:2 Harstrem Serral 3:0 MaNa Snute 3:1 Has So, in actual matchups without Neeb in the game, zerg won 4 out of 4 matchups. Yeah, really weak race. How about just admitting Neeb is SO FAR ahead of all these nerds - thats why these finals are always so one sided despite zerg DOMINATING the rest of the tournament. (6 zerg out of top 8?? yeah. so bad.) This. Have a Zerg and a Terran as good as Neeb is and things would be different. Zerg tears tho And the really sad thing is that Snute and Scarlett are both mechanically as good as Neeb, but for some stupid reason, they have this mental block vs a great protoss like Neeb and just do terrible all-ins and stupid decisions that lose them the series in 30 minutes.. (causing casual watchers to think zerg is weak rofl).. They dont do that vs other protosses like Has or MaNa, but vs Neeb they just go "Welp, I cant win anyways so mise well do a terrible 2 base timing!" - Its basically the mentality of foreigner zerg since the artosis/idra days - they are so ingrained with the balance whining that they dont even try unless they THINK they are massively superior vs an opponent. If Neeb switched to Zerg, he would be GSL level. He is just a superior player in all aspects of the game. The problem was always that you can talk whatever shit you want but I need to prove the imbalance in 50 page essays. To be honest no % statistics that you can bring up will show if PvZ is broken or not. Try asking all top50 zergs and top50 protosses if PvZ is fair at the moment and then draw some conclusions. 49 out of 50 zergs(except TLO) will say it's not and probably even half of protosses will say the same.
If you give me the top50 list i would ask them, just saying.
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On September 11 2017 04:35 Nerchio wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 04:31 SnowfaLL wrote:On September 11 2017 04:26 Myrddrael wrote:On September 11 2017 04:20 SnowfaLL wrote:On September 11 2017 04:12 Trizz wrote:
Zerg has no micro options, all they can do is flank.
In battles like these with hydra/base vs sentry/storm it's all on the protoss and none on the zerg.
Something has to change, honestly. Well, take NEEB out of the tournament and here is your top 16 ZvP matches: TRUE 3:0 DnS Scarlett 3:2 Harstrem Serral 3:0 MaNa Snute 3:1 Has So, in actual matchups without Neeb in the game, zerg won 4 out of 4 matchups. Yeah, really weak race. How about just admitting Neeb is SO FAR ahead of all these nerds - thats why these finals are always so one sided despite zerg DOMINATING the rest of the tournament. (6 zerg out of top 8?? yeah. so bad.) This. Have a Zerg and a Terran as good as Neeb is and things would be different. Zerg tears tho And the really sad thing is that Snute and Scarlett are both mechanically as good as Neeb, but for some stupid reason, they have this mental block vs a great protoss like Neeb and just do terrible all-ins and stupid decisions that lose them the series in 30 minutes.. (causing casual watchers to think zerg is weak rofl).. They dont do that vs other protosses like Has or MaNa, but vs Neeb they just go "Welp, I cant win anyways so mise well do a terrible 2 base timing!" - Its basically the mentality of foreigner zerg since the artosis/idra days - they are so ingrained with the balance whining that they dont even try unless they THINK they are massively superior vs an opponent. If Neeb switched to Zerg, he would be GSL level. He is just a superior player in all aspects of the game. The problem was always that you can talk whatever shit you want but I need to prove the imbalance in 50 page essays. To be honest no % statistics that you can bring up will show if PvZ is broken or not. Try asking all top50 zergs and top50 protosses if PvZ is fair at the moment and then draw some conclusions. 49 out of 50 zergs(except TLO) will say it's not and probably even half of protosses will say the same.
then why is only 1 toss in the top 8 WCS standings?
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On September 11 2017 04:38 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 04:36 Diabolique wrote:
Why are all the terrans dead even before the tournament? Major dropped out early, Kela made the Ro8. 1 Terran making a playoff run is pretty normal for foreign tourneys.
But it shouldn't be, but since all the EU zerg are so much gifted and terrans just don't know how to train if we read some z ergs ... 
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On September 11 2017 04:39 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 04:35 Nerchio wrote:On September 11 2017 04:31 SnowfaLL wrote:On September 11 2017 04:26 Myrddrael wrote:On September 11 2017 04:20 SnowfaLL wrote:On September 11 2017 04:12 Trizz wrote:
Zerg has no micro options, all they can do is flank.
In battles like these with hydra/base vs sentry/storm it's all on the protoss and none on the zerg.
Something has to change, honestly. Well, take NEEB out of the tournament and here is your top 16 ZvP matches: TRUE 3:0 DnS Scarlett 3:2 Harstrem Serral 3:0 MaNa Snute 3:1 Has So, in actual matchups without Neeb in the game, zerg won 4 out of 4 matchups. Yeah, really weak race. How about just admitting Neeb is SO FAR ahead of all these nerds - thats why these finals are always so one sided despite zerg DOMINATING the rest of the tournament. (6 zerg out of top 8?? yeah. so bad.) This. Have a Zerg and a Terran as good as Neeb is and things would be different. Zerg tears tho And the really sad thing is that Snute and Scarlett are both mechanically as good as Neeb, but for some stupid reason, they have this mental block vs a great protoss like Neeb and just do terrible all-ins and stupid decisions that lose them the series in 30 minutes.. (causing casual watchers to think zerg is weak rofl).. They dont do that vs other protosses like Has or MaNa, but vs Neeb they just go "Welp, I cant win anyways so mise well do a terrible 2 base timing!" - Its basically the mentality of foreigner zerg since the artosis/idra days - they are so ingrained with the balance whining that they dont even try unless they THINK they are massively superior vs an opponent. If Neeb switched to Zerg, he would be GSL level. He is just a superior player in all aspects of the game. The problem was always that you can talk whatever shit you want but I need to prove the imbalance in 50 page essays. To be honest no % statistics that you can bring up will show if PvZ is broken or not. Try asking all top50 zergs and top50 protosses if PvZ is fair at the moment and then draw some conclusions. 49 out of 50 zergs(except TLO) will say it's not and probably even half of protosses will say the same. then why is only 1 toss in the top 8 WCS standings?
because kelagod is a destroyer of dreams
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On September 11 2017 04:39 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 04:35 Nerchio wrote:On September 11 2017 04:31 SnowfaLL wrote:On September 11 2017 04:26 Myrddrael wrote:On September 11 2017 04:20 SnowfaLL wrote:On September 11 2017 04:12 Trizz wrote:
Zerg has no micro options, all they can do is flank.
In battles like these with hydra/base vs sentry/storm it's all on the protoss and none on the zerg.
Something has to change, honestly. Well, take NEEB out of the tournament and here is your top 16 ZvP matches: TRUE 3:0 DnS Scarlett 3:2 Harstrem Serral 3:0 MaNa Snute 3:1 Has So, in actual matchups without Neeb in the game, zerg won 4 out of 4 matchups. Yeah, really weak race. How about just admitting Neeb is SO FAR ahead of all these nerds - thats why these finals are always so one sided despite zerg DOMINATING the rest of the tournament. (6 zerg out of top 8?? yeah. so bad.) This. Have a Zerg and a Terran as good as Neeb is and things would be different. Zerg tears tho And the really sad thing is that Snute and Scarlett are both mechanically as good as Neeb, but for some stupid reason, they have this mental block vs a great protoss like Neeb and just do terrible all-ins and stupid decisions that lose them the series in 30 minutes.. (causing casual watchers to think zerg is weak rofl).. They dont do that vs other protosses like Has or MaNa, but vs Neeb they just go "Welp, I cant win anyways so mise well do a terrible 2 base timing!" - Its basically the mentality of foreigner zerg since the artosis/idra days - they are so ingrained with the balance whining that they dont even try unless they THINK they are massively superior vs an opponent. If Neeb switched to Zerg, he would be GSL level. He is just a superior player in all aspects of the game. The problem was always that you can talk whatever shit you want but I need to prove the imbalance in 50 page essays. To be honest no % statistics that you can bring up will show if PvZ is broken or not. Try asking all top50 zergs and top50 protosses if PvZ is fair at the moment and then draw some conclusions. 49 out of 50 zergs(except TLO) will say it's not and probably even half of protosses will say the same. then why is only 1 toss in the top 8 WCS standings?
Because all the foreign terrans stomp them in TvP
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On September 11 2017 04:39 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 04:35 Nerchio wrote:On September 11 2017 04:31 SnowfaLL wrote:On September 11 2017 04:26 Myrddrael wrote:On September 11 2017 04:20 SnowfaLL wrote:On September 11 2017 04:12 Trizz wrote:
Zerg has no micro options, all they can do is flank.
In battles like these with hydra/base vs sentry/storm it's all on the protoss and none on the zerg.
Something has to change, honestly. Well, take NEEB out of the tournament and here is your top 16 ZvP matches: TRUE 3:0 DnS Scarlett 3:2 Harstrem Serral 3:0 MaNa Snute 3:1 Has So, in actual matchups without Neeb in the game, zerg won 4 out of 4 matchups. Yeah, really weak race. How about just admitting Neeb is SO FAR ahead of all these nerds - thats why these finals are always so one sided despite zerg DOMINATING the rest of the tournament. (6 zerg out of top 8?? yeah. so bad.) This. Have a Zerg and a Terran as good as Neeb is and things would be different. Zerg tears tho And the really sad thing is that Snute and Scarlett are both mechanically as good as Neeb, but for some stupid reason, they have this mental block vs a great protoss like Neeb and just do terrible all-ins and stupid decisions that lose them the series in 30 minutes.. (causing casual watchers to think zerg is weak rofl).. They dont do that vs other protosses like Has or MaNa, but vs Neeb they just go "Welp, I cant win anyways so mise well do a terrible 2 base timing!" - Its basically the mentality of foreigner zerg since the artosis/idra days - they are so ingrained with the balance whining that they dont even try unless they THINK they are massively superior vs an opponent. If Neeb switched to Zerg, he would be GSL level. He is just a superior player in all aspects of the game. The problem was always that you can talk whatever shit you want but I need to prove the imbalance in 50 page essays. To be honest no % statistics that you can bring up will show if PvZ is broken or not. Try asking all top50 zergs and top50 protosses if PvZ is fair at the moment and then draw some conclusions. 49 out of 50 zergs(except TLO) will say it's not and probably even half of protosses will say the same. then why is only 1 toss in the top 8 WCS standings?
Blame Neeb
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On September 11 2017 04:39 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 04:35 Nerchio wrote:On September 11 2017 04:31 SnowfaLL wrote:On September 11 2017 04:26 Myrddrael wrote:On September 11 2017 04:20 SnowfaLL wrote:On September 11 2017 04:12 Trizz wrote:
Zerg has no micro options, all they can do is flank.
In battles like these with hydra/base vs sentry/storm it's all on the protoss and none on the zerg.
Something has to change, honestly. Well, take NEEB out of the tournament and here is your top 16 ZvP matches: TRUE 3:0 DnS Scarlett 3:2 Harstrem Serral 3:0 MaNa Snute 3:1 Has So, in actual matchups without Neeb in the game, zerg won 4 out of 4 matchups. Yeah, really weak race. How about just admitting Neeb is SO FAR ahead of all these nerds - thats why these finals are always so one sided despite zerg DOMINATING the rest of the tournament. (6 zerg out of top 8?? yeah. so bad.) This. Have a Zerg and a Terran as good as Neeb is and things would be different. Zerg tears tho And the really sad thing is that Snute and Scarlett are both mechanically as good as Neeb, but for some stupid reason, they have this mental block vs a great protoss like Neeb and just do terrible all-ins and stupid decisions that lose them the series in 30 minutes.. (causing casual watchers to think zerg is weak rofl).. They dont do that vs other protosses like Has or MaNa, but vs Neeb they just go "Welp, I cant win anyways so mise well do a terrible 2 base timing!" - Its basically the mentality of foreigner zerg since the artosis/idra days - they are so ingrained with the balance whining that they dont even try unless they THINK they are massively superior vs an opponent. If Neeb switched to Zerg, he would be GSL level. He is just a superior player in all aspects of the game. The problem was always that you can talk whatever shit you want but I need to prove the imbalance in 50 page essays. To be honest no % statistics that you can bring up will show if PvZ is broken or not. Try asking all top50 zergs and top50 protosses if PvZ is fair at the moment and then draw some conclusions. 49 out of 50 zergs(except TLO) will say it's not and probably even half of protosses will say the same. then why is only 1 toss in the top 8 WCS standings?
because only Neeb and ShoWTime were sufficiently skilled in the foreign scene to be able to seize the opportunity, and ShoWTime had an awful year for reasons. The other highly talented players of the foreign scene are Z (most of them) and T (roughly as many legit T as there are P).
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On September 11 2017 04:39 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 04:35 Nerchio wrote:On September 11 2017 04:31 SnowfaLL wrote:On September 11 2017 04:26 Myrddrael wrote:On September 11 2017 04:20 SnowfaLL wrote:On September 11 2017 04:12 Trizz wrote:
Zerg has no micro options, all they can do is flank.
In battles like these with hydra/base vs sentry/storm it's all on the protoss and none on the zerg.
Something has to change, honestly. Well, take NEEB out of the tournament and here is your top 16 ZvP matches: TRUE 3:0 DnS Scarlett 3:2 Harstrem Serral 3:0 MaNa Snute 3:1 Has So, in actual matchups without Neeb in the game, zerg won 4 out of 4 matchups. Yeah, really weak race. How about just admitting Neeb is SO FAR ahead of all these nerds - thats why these finals are always so one sided despite zerg DOMINATING the rest of the tournament. (6 zerg out of top 8?? yeah. so bad.) This. Have a Zerg and a Terran as good as Neeb is and things would be different. Zerg tears tho And the really sad thing is that Snute and Scarlett are both mechanically as good as Neeb, but for some stupid reason, they have this mental block vs a great protoss like Neeb and just do terrible all-ins and stupid decisions that lose them the series in 30 minutes.. (causing casual watchers to think zerg is weak rofl).. They dont do that vs other protosses like Has or MaNa, but vs Neeb they just go "Welp, I cant win anyways so mise well do a terrible 2 base timing!" - Its basically the mentality of foreigner zerg since the artosis/idra days - they are so ingrained with the balance whining that they dont even try unless they THINK they are massively superior vs an opponent. If Neeb switched to Zerg, he would be GSL level. He is just a superior player in all aspects of the game. The problem was always that you can talk whatever shit you want but I need to prove the imbalance in 50 page essays. To be honest no % statistics that you can bring up will show if PvZ is broken or not. Try asking all top50 zergs and top50 protosses if PvZ is fair at the moment and then draw some conclusions. 49 out of 50 zergs(except TLO) will say it's not and probably even half of protosses will say the same. then why is only 1 toss in the top 8 WCS standings?
Because Zerg is Imba. Read Nerchio's post. He is not saying, Protoss is strong. He is saying PvZ is not balanced, but he is not saying, which side is stronger. The answer is shown in the WCS ranking :-P
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great performance by Neeb sadly he loses to the final boss. GG
But what is the reason that the Races are so uneven distributed in WCS, especially in Europe?
It really hurts the European Zerg that most of their training is ZvZ.
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On September 11 2017 04:42 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 04:39 Charoisaur wrote:On September 11 2017 04:35 Nerchio wrote:On September 11 2017 04:31 SnowfaLL wrote:On September 11 2017 04:26 Myrddrael wrote:On September 11 2017 04:20 SnowfaLL wrote:On September 11 2017 04:12 Trizz wrote:
Zerg has no micro options, all they can do is flank.
In battles like these with hydra/base vs sentry/storm it's all on the protoss and none on the zerg.
Something has to change, honestly. Well, take NEEB out of the tournament and here is your top 16 ZvP matches: TRUE 3:0 DnS Scarlett 3:2 Harstrem Serral 3:0 MaNa Snute 3:1 Has So, in actual matchups without Neeb in the game, zerg won 4 out of 4 matchups. Yeah, really weak race. How about just admitting Neeb is SO FAR ahead of all these nerds - thats why these finals are always so one sided despite zerg DOMINATING the rest of the tournament. (6 zerg out of top 8?? yeah. so bad.) This. Have a Zerg and a Terran as good as Neeb is and things would be different. Zerg tears tho And the really sad thing is that Snute and Scarlett are both mechanically as good as Neeb, but for some stupid reason, they have this mental block vs a great protoss like Neeb and just do terrible all-ins and stupid decisions that lose them the series in 30 minutes.. (causing casual watchers to think zerg is weak rofl).. They dont do that vs other protosses like Has or MaNa, but vs Neeb they just go "Welp, I cant win anyways so mise well do a terrible 2 base timing!" - Its basically the mentality of foreigner zerg since the artosis/idra days - they are so ingrained with the balance whining that they dont even try unless they THINK they are massively superior vs an opponent. If Neeb switched to Zerg, he would be GSL level. He is just a superior player in all aspects of the game. The problem was always that you can talk whatever shit you want but I need to prove the imbalance in 50 page essays. To be honest no % statistics that you can bring up will show if PvZ is broken or not. Try asking all top50 zergs and top50 protosses if PvZ is fair at the moment and then draw some conclusions. 49 out of 50 zergs(except TLO) will say it's not and probably even half of protosses will say the same. then why is only 1 toss in the top 8 WCS standings? because only Neeb and ShoWTime were sufficiently skilled in the foreign scene to be able to seize the opportunity, and ShoWTime had an awful year for reasons. The other highly talented players of the foreign scene are Z (most of them) and T (roughly as many legit T as there are P).
Major and Kelazhur are decent but Neeb is on another level.
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On September 11 2017 04:39 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 04:35 Nerchio wrote:On September 11 2017 04:31 SnowfaLL wrote:On September 11 2017 04:26 Myrddrael wrote:On September 11 2017 04:20 SnowfaLL wrote:On September 11 2017 04:12 Trizz wrote:
Zerg has no micro options, all they can do is flank.
In battles like these with hydra/base vs sentry/storm it's all on the protoss and none on the zerg.
Something has to change, honestly. Well, take NEEB out of the tournament and here is your top 16 ZvP matches: TRUE 3:0 DnS Scarlett 3:2 Harstrem Serral 3:0 MaNa Snute 3:1 Has So, in actual matchups without Neeb in the game, zerg won 4 out of 4 matchups. Yeah, really weak race. How about just admitting Neeb is SO FAR ahead of all these nerds - thats why these finals are always so one sided despite zerg DOMINATING the rest of the tournament. (6 zerg out of top 8?? yeah. so bad.) This. Have a Zerg and a Terran as good as Neeb is and things would be different. Zerg tears tho And the really sad thing is that Snute and Scarlett are both mechanically as good as Neeb, but for some stupid reason, they have this mental block vs a great protoss like Neeb and just do terrible all-ins and stupid decisions that lose them the series in 30 minutes.. (causing casual watchers to think zerg is weak rofl).. They dont do that vs other protosses like Has or MaNa, but vs Neeb they just go "Welp, I cant win anyways so mise well do a terrible 2 base timing!" - Its basically the mentality of foreigner zerg since the artosis/idra days - they are so ingrained with the balance whining that they dont even try unless they THINK they are massively superior vs an opponent. If Neeb switched to Zerg, he would be GSL level. He is just a superior player in all aspects of the game. The problem was always that you can talk whatever shit you want but I need to prove the imbalance in 50 page essays. To be honest no % statistics that you can bring up will show if PvZ is broken or not. Try asking all top50 zergs and top50 protosses if PvZ is fair at the moment and then draw some conclusions. 49 out of 50 zergs(except TLO) will say it's not and probably even half of protosses will say the same. then why is only 1 toss in the top 8 WCS standings?
This statistic doesn't mean anything, I know it is very easy to bring up and it is useful for low level discussion like you guys are doing here (I did the same but I have to say it means absolutely nothing). Number of players playing one race in a tournament is based on so many things that you can't even list here and only maybe 30-40% of it is balance.
We have to start from the fact that there is no 33%Z/33%T/33%P playing the game and how the scene developed overtime. The fact is that we have plenty of high level zergs and little protoss or terran players. In Korea it's different and there is more P/T.
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through ages of sc2, there has never been a topnotch nonkorean terran. Has any nonkorean terran even won any tournaments?
edit : nvm, thorzain was probably only one who managed for a short while.
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