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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16084 Posts
September 10 2017 19:19 GMT
#1001
On September 11 2017 04:17 VHbb wrote:
is Neeb the only protoss from the WCS side going to Blizzcon?
1P
2T
7Z

yes, Protoss is too strong and Zerg can never win ZvP.
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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
September 10 2017 19:19 GMT
#1002
On September 11 2017 04:16 Nerchio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2017 04:15 Fango wrote:
On September 11 2017 04:11 Beyond Magic wrote:
Umm, i haven't really followed sc too much lately but is Z v P really that one sided these days?


This was a serious skill mismatch. But protoss is looking strong recently

So maybe you will finally stop shittalking about me and accept that I was right all along

P is really strange atm. It definitely isn't imba to the point it can carry people far above what their skill / dedication should allow them to achieve (hi Ziktomini, JohnnyRecco, ABomb etc) ; nevertheless, it definitely makes playing vs a very strong P look quite hopeless.
VHbb
Profile Joined October 2014
692 Posts
September 10 2017 19:19 GMT
#1003
On September 11 2017 04:18 GoloSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2017 04:17 VHbb wrote:
is Neeb the only protoss from the WCS side going to Blizzcon?
1P
2T
7Z

5z, but yes


Ops - miscounted
I don't comment on balance (I don't think one can say much from these distributions, it depends too much on the players, their form, too many factors) but I wonder where did the other good protoss go?

I didn't follow very closely, but at least Showtime I would have expected (and perhaps PtitDrogo? who am I forgetting?)
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SnowfaLL
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada730 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-10 19:21:25
September 10 2017 19:20 GMT
#1004
On September 11 2017 04:12 Trizz wrote:
Zerg has no micro options, all they can do is flank.
In battles like these with hydra/base vs sentry/storm it's all on the protoss and none on the zerg.
Something has to change, honestly.


Well, take NEEB out of the tournament and here is your top 16 ZvP matches:

TRUE 3:0 DnS
Scarlett 3:2 Harstrem
Serral 3:0 MaNa
Snute 3:1 Has

So, in actual matchups without Neeb in the game, zerg won 4 out of 4 matchups. Yeah, really weak race.

How about just admitting Neeb is SO FAR ahead of all these nerds - thats why these finals are always so one sided despite zerg DOMINATING the rest of the tournament. (6 zerg out of top 8?? yeah. so bad.)
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23579 Posts
September 10 2017 19:20 GMT
#1005
On September 11 2017 04:17 Nerchio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2017 04:15 Musicus wrote:
But seriously, why do they not understand that they have to put their thumb above the bottle opening to build up pressure when shaking it? Then they can really spray it.

Have they never seen Formula 1?

Formula 1 have a lot better champagnes and a lot bigger, it's hard to build up pressure in this small bottle :p

Okay that may be true. But I sprayed with a bottle like that, it's definitely doable but they never put their thumb above it after it's opened and just swing it around.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
September 10 2017 19:20 GMT
#1006
On September 11 2017 04:17 Gurbak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2017 04:16 pvsnp wrote:
On September 11 2017 04:15 Gurbak wrote:
On September 11 2017 04:14 DieuCure wrote:
On September 11 2017 04:12 Gurbak wrote:
On September 11 2017 04:12 DieuCure wrote:
On September 11 2017 04:12 Sakat wrote:
(P)Neeb should (Z)just (P)Try GSL like all the proper SC2 players



He tried ... Code A

still better result than cure



Not really , Cure played code S this year, and was near of Dark s lvl ( above but ultras and cheese ... )

no he was not in code s

even noregret is better than cure

Cure was in Code S in Season 1

oops forgot that :p



Yes so stop trying to trashtalk the most gifted player in sc2 history just because you don't know anything please.
TL+ Member
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
September 10 2017 19:21 GMT
#1007
Story of the Circuit is basically Zergs and Neeb
Denominator of the Universe
TL+ Member
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
September 10 2017 19:21 GMT
#1008
On September 11 2017 04:20 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2017 04:17 Nerchio wrote:
On September 11 2017 04:15 Musicus wrote:
But seriously, why do they not understand that they have to put their thumb above the bottle opening to build up pressure when shaking it? Then they can really spray it.

Have they never seen Formula 1?

Formula 1 have a lot better champagnes and a lot bigger, it's hard to build up pressure in this small bottle :p

Okay that may be true. But I sprayed with a bottle like that, it's definitely doable but they never put their thumb above it after it's opened and just swing it around.

Make a guide in the strategy section
Neosteel Enthusiast
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
September 10 2017 19:21 GMT
#1009
On September 11 2017 04:20 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2017 04:17 Nerchio wrote:
On September 11 2017 04:15 Musicus wrote:
But seriously, why do they not understand that they have to put their thumb above the bottle opening to build up pressure when shaking it? Then they can really spray it.

Have they never seen Formula 1?

Formula 1 have a lot better champagnes and a lot bigger, it's hard to build up pressure in this small bottle :p

Okay that may be true. But I sprayed with a bottle like that, it's definitely doable but they never put their thumb above it after it's opened and just swing it around.


Neeb needs to get some advice from Lewis Hamilton or Sebastian Vettel.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
September 10 2017 19:21 GMT
#1010
On September 11 2017 04:20 DieuCure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2017 04:17 Gurbak wrote:
On September 11 2017 04:16 pvsnp wrote:
On September 11 2017 04:15 Gurbak wrote:
On September 11 2017 04:14 DieuCure wrote:
On September 11 2017 04:12 Gurbak wrote:
On September 11 2017 04:12 DieuCure wrote:
On September 11 2017 04:12 Sakat wrote:
(P)Neeb should (Z)just (P)Try GSL like all the proper SC2 players



He tried ... Code A

still better result than cure



Not really , Cure played code S this year, and was near of Dark s lvl ( above but ultras and cheese ... )

no he was not in code s

even noregret is better than cure

Cure was in Code S in Season 1

oops forgot that :p



Yes so stop trying to trashtalk the most gifted player in sc2 history just because you don't know anything please.

The most gifted sc2 player was Taeja, literally didn't train and still won vs all the best koreans
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starkiller123
Profile Joined January 2016
United States4030 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-10 19:22:45
September 10 2017 19:21 GMT
#1011
On September 11 2017 04:19 VHbb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2017 04:18 GoloSC2 wrote:
On September 11 2017 04:17 VHbb wrote:
is Neeb the only protoss from the WCS side going to Blizzcon?
1P
2T
7Z

5z, but yes


Ops - miscounted
I don't comment on balance (I don't think one can say much from these distributions, it depends too much on the players, their form, too many factors) but I wonder where did the other good protoss go?

I didn't follow very closely, but at least Showtime I would have expected (and perhaps PtitDrogo? who am I forgetting?)

Showtime had an awful year sadly, he had to win Montreal to qualify and he lost to Kelazhur
Gurbak
Profile Joined January 2017
France622 Posts
September 10 2017 19:22 GMT
#1012
On September 11 2017 04:20 DieuCure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2017 04:17 Gurbak wrote:
On September 11 2017 04:16 pvsnp wrote:
On September 11 2017 04:15 Gurbak wrote:
On September 11 2017 04:14 DieuCure wrote:
On September 11 2017 04:12 Gurbak wrote:
On September 11 2017 04:12 DieuCure wrote:
On September 11 2017 04:12 Sakat wrote:
(P)Neeb should (Z)just (P)Try GSL like all the proper SC2 players



He tried ... Code A

still better result than cure



Not really , Cure played code S this year, and was near of Dark s lvl ( above but ultras and cheese ... )

no he was not in code s

even noregret is better than cure

Cure was in Code S in Season 1

oops forgot that :p



Yes so stop trying to trashtalk the most gifted player in sc2 history just because you don't know anything please.

i'm just trying to be as annoying as you
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23579 Posts
September 10 2017 19:22 GMT
#1013
On September 11 2017 04:21 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2017 04:20 Musicus wrote:
On September 11 2017 04:17 Nerchio wrote:
On September 11 2017 04:15 Musicus wrote:
But seriously, why do they not understand that they have to put their thumb above the bottle opening to build up pressure when shaking it? Then they can really spray it.

Have they never seen Formula 1?

Formula 1 have a lot better champagnes and a lot bigger, it's hard to build up pressure in this small bottle :p

Okay that may be true. But I sprayed with a bottle like that, it's definitely doable but they never put their thumb above it after it's opened and just swing it around.

Make a guide in the strategy section

I think Lycan made a bottle opening guide once, but I'm not sure if he showed how to spray .
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
September 10 2017 19:23 GMT
#1014
I don't know how zergs are crying when a zerg reached the finals of 80% of the WCS events since lotv release, with 7 zergs in both of the blizzcon

TL+ Member
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
September 10 2017 19:24 GMT
#1015
Protoss has been shit most of this year
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
September 10 2017 19:24 GMT
#1016
On September 11 2017 04:22 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2017 04:21 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
On September 11 2017 04:20 Musicus wrote:
On September 11 2017 04:17 Nerchio wrote:
On September 11 2017 04:15 Musicus wrote:
But seriously, why do they not understand that they have to put their thumb above the bottle opening to build up pressure when shaking it? Then they can really spray it.

Have they never seen Formula 1?

Formula 1 have a lot better champagnes and a lot bigger, it's hard to build up pressure in this small bottle :p

Okay that may be true. But I sprayed with a bottle like that, it's definitely doable but they never put their thumb above it after it's opened and just swing it around.

Make a guide in the strategy section

I think Lycan made a bottle opening guide once, but I'm not sure if he showed how to spray .

No need to worry, the biggest part of the design change is the champagne bottle fix
Denominator of the Universe
TL+ Member
DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
September 10 2017 19:25 GMT
#1017
On September 11 2017 04:22 Gurbak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2017 04:20 DieuCure wrote:
On September 11 2017 04:17 Gurbak wrote:
On September 11 2017 04:16 pvsnp wrote:
On September 11 2017 04:15 Gurbak wrote:
On September 11 2017 04:14 DieuCure wrote:
On September 11 2017 04:12 Gurbak wrote:
On September 11 2017 04:12 DieuCure wrote:
On September 11 2017 04:12 Sakat wrote:
(P)Neeb should (Z)just (P)Try GSL like all the proper SC2 players



He tried ... Code A

still better result than cure



Not really , Cure played code S this year, and was near of Dark s lvl ( above but ultras and cheese ... )

no he was not in code s

even noregret is better than cure

Cure was in Code S in Season 1

oops forgot that :p



Yes so stop trying to trashtalk the most gifted player in sc2 history just because you don't know anything please.

i'm just trying to be as annoying as you


Your little crusade is ridiculous, vulgar
TL+ Member
Myrddrael
Profile Joined November 2012
United Kingdom291 Posts
September 10 2017 19:26 GMT
#1018
On September 11 2017 04:20 SnowfaLL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2017 04:12 Trizz wrote:
Zerg has no micro options, all they can do is flank.
In battles like these with hydra/base vs sentry/storm it's all on the protoss and none on the zerg.
Something has to change, honestly.


Well, take NEEB out of the tournament and here is your top 16 ZvP matches:

TRUE 3:0 DnS
Scarlett 3:2 Harstrem
Serral 3:0 MaNa
Snute 3:1 Has

So, in actual matchups without Neeb in the game, zerg won 4 out of 4 matchups. Yeah, really weak race.

How about just admitting Neeb is SO FAR ahead of all these nerds - thats why these finals are always so one sided despite zerg DOMINATING the rest of the tournament. (6 zerg out of top 8?? yeah. so bad.)


This. Have a Zerg and a Terran as good as Neeb is and things would be different. Zerg tears tho
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
September 10 2017 19:28 GMT
#1019
On September 11 2017 04:20 SnowfaLL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2017 04:12 Trizz wrote:
Zerg has no micro options, all they can do is flank.
In battles like these with hydra/base vs sentry/storm it's all on the protoss and none on the zerg.
Something has to change, honestly.


Well, take NEEB out of the tournament and here is your top 16 ZvP matches:

TRUE 3:0 DnS
Scarlett 3:2 Harstrem
Serral 3:0 MaNa
Snute 3:1 Has

So, in actual matchups without Neeb in the game, zerg won 4 out of 4 matchups. Yeah, really weak race.

How about just admitting Neeb is SO FAR ahead of all these nerds - thats why these finals are always so one sided despite zerg DOMINATING the rest of the tournament. (6 zerg out of top 8?? yeah. so bad.)

to be fair all of those except Scarlett - Harstem were bound to be one-sided as well, and Scarlett emerged victorious of that one through heavy aggression wacky builds.

I'd have liked to see a more balanced PvZ, for instance Serral vs Neeb could have been interesting (though I don't really know how to rate Serral atm), same for Elazer vs Neeb. Sadly ZvZ took its toll.
Stress
Profile Joined February 2011
United States980 Posts
September 10 2017 19:29 GMT
#1020
On September 11 2017 04:26 Myrddrael wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2017 04:20 SnowfaLL wrote:
On September 11 2017 04:12 Trizz wrote:
Zerg has no micro options, all they can do is flank.
In battles like these with hydra/base vs sentry/storm it's all on the protoss and none on the zerg.
Something has to change, honestly.


Well, take NEEB out of the tournament and here is your top 16 ZvP matches:

TRUE 3:0 DnS
Scarlett 3:2 Harstrem
Serral 3:0 MaNa
Snute 3:1 Has

So, in actual matchups without Neeb in the game, zerg won 4 out of 4 matchups. Yeah, really weak race.

How about just admitting Neeb is SO FAR ahead of all these nerds - thats why these finals are always so one sided despite zerg DOMINATING the rest of the tournament. (6 zerg out of top 8?? yeah. so bad.)


This. Have a Zerg and a Terran as good as Neeb is and things would be different. Zerg tears tho


It is funny to see the top 10 list up on the stream. 1 Protoss, 2 Terrans and 7 Zergs. Neeb is by far the best foreigner and the tournament results reflect that.
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