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On October 03 2016 21:44 Lil_nooblet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2016 21:27 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 03 2016 21:25 Fighter wrote:On October 03 2016 21:20 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Pretty incredible performance from Neeb. Although :
1/ I'm pretty sure he won't get half the credit he deserves just because he's P, even though he won most of his series in PvP where no balance issues can be relevant ;
2/ disruptors are the worst things to ever happen to this game. Worst than swarm hosts. What? Are you joking about the disruptors? How many people feel that way about them? Disruptors are THE single most entertaining unit. You're being sarcastic, right? Not joking the slightest. This unit has zero strategic value and just leads to random, tiresome games for both players and viewers alike. I hate them with all my might. Couldn't agree more. It drags out games that should have ended a long time ago. It's excruciating to watch and play.
I can't remember, are disruptors being adressed in the "big overhaul" patch that's coming next year ? Although I seem to remember zealots get a big buff in that patch so that chargelots archons phoenix should at least give some incentive not to enter the table tennis phases.
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On October 03 2016 21:43 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2016 21:41 Legobiten wrote:
Came here to confirm how fucking epic that was and all I see is whining.... SC2 community never cease to amaze.
Insane play by Neeb! So exciting battles. Love the disruptors! What a godlike control!
GG! all you see is whining? wow
Okay, not ALL 
But, c'mon, How was that awful and bad/boring games as so many were saying? Don't get it.
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On October 03 2016 21:41 Legobiten wrote:
Came here to confirm how fucking epic that was and all I see is whining.... SC2 community never cease to amaze.
Insane play by Neeb! So exciting battles. Love the disruptors! What a godlike control!
GG!
Agreed that it was very entertaining. Don't really understand all the Disruptor-bashing, feels a lot better than the colossus era or mass tempest vs tempest to me but to each their own.
Well done Neeb!
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On October 03 2016 21:46 Legobiten wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2016 21:43 Penev wrote:On October 03 2016 21:41 Legobiten wrote:
Came here to confirm how fucking epic that was and all I see is whining.... SC2 community never cease to amaze.
Insane play by Neeb! So exciting battles. Love the disruptors! What a godlike control!
GG! all you see is whining? wow Okay, not ALL But, c'mon, How was that awful and bad/boring games as so many were saying? Don't get it.
I mostly see people congratulating Neeb on a great run that will undoubtedly make history.
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His PVP is clearly superior to korean PVP shown in this tournament. Oh and the amount of people bitching about things(toss, disruptors, region lock, balance, design etc) on teamliquid is incredible.
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On October 03 2016 21:46 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2016 21:44 Lil_nooblet wrote:On October 03 2016 21:27 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 03 2016 21:25 Fighter wrote:On October 03 2016 21:20 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Pretty incredible performance from Neeb. Although :
1/ I'm pretty sure he won't get half the credit he deserves just because he's P, even though he won most of his series in PvP where no balance issues can be relevant ;
2/ disruptors are the worst things to ever happen to this game. Worst than swarm hosts. What? Are you joking about the disruptors? How many people feel that way about them? Disruptors are THE single most entertaining unit. You're being sarcastic, right? Not joking the slightest. This unit has zero strategic value and just leads to random, tiresome games for both players and viewers alike. I hate them with all my might. Couldn't agree more. It drags out games that should have ended a long time ago. It's excruciating to watch and play. I can't remember, are disruptors being adressed in the "big overhaul" patch that's coming next year ? Although I seem to remember zealots get a big buff in that patch so that chargelots archons phoenix should at least give some incentive not to enter the table tennis phases.
They are staying the same. Hopefully disruptors fall out of the meta with the other changes.
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On October 03 2016 21:34 Die4Ever wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2016 21:30 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 03 2016 21:29 Die4Ever wrote:On October 03 2016 21:27 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 03 2016 21:25 Fighter wrote:On October 03 2016 21:20 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Pretty incredible performance from Neeb. Although :
1/ I'm pretty sure he won't get half the credit he deserves just because he's P, even though he won most of his series in PvP where no balance issues can be relevant ;
2/ disruptors are the worst things to ever happen to this game. Worst than swarm hosts. What? Are you joking about the disruptors? How many people feel that way about them? Disruptors are THE single most entertaining unit. You're being sarcastic, right? Not joking the slightest. This unit has zero strategic value and just leads to random, tiresome games both for both players and viewers alike. I hate them with all my might. you're free to hate them, but if they were truly random then Neeb's 4-0 over Trap, 3-1 over Stats, and 2-0 over Zest would all be incredibly unlikely Hmmm I said they were random but there is little denying (I only catched the Apotheosis game) that at least Trap's blink disruptor control was abysmal while Neeb's was excellent. Give us two equally skilled blink disruptor players and yes, I think the game will be random as fuck. To sum up my thoughts : disruptors are intrinsically bad and random design-wise but Neeb was a lot better at using them than his KR opponents, probably because the KR meta isn't as disruptor heavy. if 2 players were completely equally skilled then the results are supposed to be random, equal skill should mean they have 50/50 win rate against each other, the fact that the better player won with such a good record means it isn't random
Yes lol since a sample size of 4 maps on a single day is the ultimate proof for each players true skill.
Anyways gratz to Neeb impressive to win that Cup. Im a little salty about Trap tho. How can he eliminate TY and then just crumble V.V
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On October 03 2016 21:48 Skytale1i wrote:
His PVP is clearly superior to korean PVP shown in this tournament. Oh and the amount of people bitching about things(toss, disruptors, region lock, balance, design etc) on teamliquid is incredible.
I think the KR P players should have accepted he was better than them at controlling blink disruptor armies. Their pride did hurt them imo. I don't know how the other series played out but I expected adept timings, chargelot immortal archons with phoenix ; not willingly going into a battle you can't win because your opponent is just more seasoned at it than you.
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On October 03 2016 21:41 Legobiten wrote:
Came here to confirm how fucking epic that was and all I see is whining.... SC2 community never cease to amaze.
Insane play by Neeb! So exciting battles. Love the disruptors! What a godlike control!
GG!
I guess some don't really care too much about where people are born.
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On October 03 2016 21:48 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2016 21:46 Legobiten wrote:On October 03 2016 21:43 Penev wrote:On October 03 2016 21:41 Legobiten wrote:
Came here to confirm how fucking epic that was and all I see is whining.... SC2 community never cease to amaze.
Insane play by Neeb! So exciting battles. Love the disruptors! What a godlike control!
GG! all you see is whining? wow Okay, not ALL But, c'mon, How was that awful and bad/boring games as so many were saying? Don't get it. I mostly see people congratulating Neeb on a great run that will undoubtedly make history.
Oh, you can't see your own disruptor-hate? That's why.
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On October 03 2016 21:37 papaz wrote:
Thanks for a great run Neeb, here is hoping you bring the same performance to Blizzcon.
Can't say it was fun watching disruptor dance at all.
This was the first tournament watchin LoTV and here I though Blizzard would have made the game more small scale battles, more things here and there on the map.
Instead it's still two armies dancing around each other and then BOOM there goes all your units in one go and it's over.
It has the potential to do that, yes. However, often it's a long slugfest with disruptors only getting small hits in a near constant battle. Neeb was down most the game but it was only with consistently better micro over like 8+ minutes that he brought it back
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On October 03 2016 21:51 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2016 21:48 Skytale1i wrote:
His PVP is clearly superior to korean PVP shown in this tournament. Oh and the amount of people bitching about things(toss, disruptors, region lock, balance, design etc) on teamliquid is incredible. I think the KR P players should have accepted he was better than them at controlling blink disruptor armies. Their pride did hurt them imo. I don't know how the other series played out but I expected adept timings, chargelot immortal archons with phoenix ; not willingly going into a battle you can't win because your opponent is just more seasoned at it than you.
It is true, I wish there was a way to measure quantitatively but Neeb clearly knew the disruptor distance better than any of the Koreans, who tended to be too cautious and still took bigger losses when they made mistakes.
I think Neeb's defense against oracles was too good so it discouraged Trap and Stats from relying on stargate play. His early game is cautious enough that timing attacks are also not an obvious solution.
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On October 03 2016 21:40 uriel- wrote:
that last game was god awful to watch
that was the best game of the tournament other than the Patience Trap game
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Can´t really understand all the excuses people are trying to find to downplay Neebs Acomplishments. He won the tournament that Buyn (the undisputed best player in the world at the time) lost in the group stage, beaten by zest twice, who, guess what? Neeb 2-0´ed.
As for PvP, I play terran, so maybe toss players have a different opinion, but i like the tension disruptor wars create and, better yet, IT ALWAYS REWARDS THE BETTER PLAYER. There is no doubt, if you watched the games, that Neeb new what he was doing, which disruptor to snipe, when to blink, when to retreat... he came back from a 14 to 6 disruptor deficit! Tell me that would happen in that wonderfull colossi x colossi PvP world...
Jesus Christ... some people just...
NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB
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On October 03 2016 21:53 D-light wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2016 21:41 Legobiten wrote:
Came here to confirm how fucking epic that was and all I see is whining.... SC2 community never cease to amaze.
Insane play by Neeb! So exciting battles. Love the disruptors! What a godlike control!
GG! I guess some don't really care too much about where people are born.
That was epic even without Neeb being a foreigner.
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On October 03 2016 21:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2016 21:41 Legobiten wrote:
Came here to confirm how fucking epic that was and all I see is whining.... SC2 community never cease to amaze.
Insane play by Neeb! So exciting battles. Love the disruptors! What a godlike control!
GG! Agreed that it was very entertaining. Don't really understand all the Disruptor-bashing, feels a lot better than the colossus era or mass tempest vs tempest to me but to each their own. Well done Neeb!
That's kind of like saying dog shit is better than dog shit drowned in vomit and rancid donkey shit
You're not wrong but they're all still shit
watching the same composition run in circles shooting balls at each other for 20 minutes with units dying every 5 exchanges is an insult to starcraft
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On October 03 2016 21:55 KingofdaHipHop wrote:that was the best game of the tournament other than the Patience Trap game
agreed, that was an intense game
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On October 03 2016 21:55 djack0666 wrote:
Can´t really understand all the excuses people are trying to find to downplay Neebs Acomplishments. He won the tournament that Buyn (the undisputed best player in the world at the time) lost in the group stage, beaten by zest twice, who, guess what? Neeb 2-0´ed.
As for PvP, I play terran, so maybe toss players have a different opinion, but i like the tension disruptor wars create and, better yet, IT ALWAYS REWARDS THE BETTER PLAYER. There is no doubt, if you watched the games, that Neeb new what he was doing, which disruptor to snipe, when to blink, when to retreat... he came back from a 14 to 6 disruptor deficit! Tell me that would happen in that wonderfull colossi x colossi PvP world...
Jesus Christ... some people just...
NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB
Amen!
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On October 03 2016 21:37 Die4Ever wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.giphy.com/3oz8xIDYjMUIgtEKnC.gif) User was warned for this post
WOW :0 This isn't shopped?
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On October 03 2016 21:55 Legobiten wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2016 21:48 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 03 2016 21:46 Legobiten wrote:On October 03 2016 21:43 Penev wrote:On October 03 2016 21:41 Legobiten wrote:
Came here to confirm how fucking epic that was and all I see is whining.... SC2 community never cease to amaze.
Insane play by Neeb! So exciting battles. Love the disruptors! What a godlike control!
GG! all you see is whining? wow Okay, not ALL But, c'mon, How was that awful and bad/boring games as so many were saying? Don't get it. I mostly see people congratulating Neeb on a great run that will undoubtedly make history. Oh, you can't see your own disruptor-hate? That's why.
don't see how that's whining, and I never wrote that the games had been awful / bad / boring... Now that you ask it, what I saw was quite enjoyable and exciting because of the historic value.
Doesn't change the fact I don't think disruptors do any good to the game and to players wrists in the end.
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