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Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-03 12:37:03
October 03 2016 12:36 GMT
#1501
I hate disruptors too, but I wonder why Trap/Stats didn't use phoenixes to counter them like Zest (and a few others) used to do.
Especially considering their disruptor/stalker army control sucked
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17676 Posts
October 03 2016 12:37 GMT
#1502
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SinO[Ob]
Profile Joined October 2010
France897 Posts
October 03 2016 12:37 GMT
#1503
TIME TO LADDER MAH FRIENDS MY HYPE NEED TO BE FOCUS ON THIS WONDERFUL GAME <3
Stephano and Clem enjoyer
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8240 Posts
October 03 2016 12:37 GMT
#1504
A foreigner won a Korean event?! Wow! Congratulations to Neeb!
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28481 Posts
October 03 2016 12:37 GMT
#1505
haha, Neeb can't stop smirking
I Protoss winner, could it be?
papaz
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden4149 Posts
October 03 2016 12:37 GMT
#1506
Thanks for a great run Neeb, here is hoping you bring the same performance to Blizzcon.

Can't say it was fun watching disruptor dance at all.

This was the first tournament watchin LoTV and here I though Blizzard would have made the game more small scale battles, more things here and there on the map.

Instead it's still two armies dancing around each other and then BOOM there goes all your units in one go and it's over.
Dumbledore
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden725 Posts
October 03 2016 12:37 GMT
#1507
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Present for u all
Have a nice day ;)
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28481 Posts
October 03 2016 12:38 GMT
#1508
On October 03 2016 21:36 Durnuu wrote:
I hate disruptors too, but I wonder why Trap/Stats didn't use phoenixes to counter them like Zest (and a few others) used to do.
Especially considering their disruptor/stalker army control sucked

Stats actually made Phoenixes one game and proceded not to use them
I Protoss winner, could it be?
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24202 Posts
October 03 2016 12:38 GMT
#1509
On October 03 2016 21:34 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2016 21:30 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 03 2016 21:29 Die4Ever wrote:
On October 03 2016 21:27 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 03 2016 21:25 Fighter wrote:
On October 03 2016 21:20 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Pretty incredible performance from Neeb. Although :

1/ I'm pretty sure he won't get half the credit he deserves just because he's P, even though he won most of his series in PvP where no balance issues can be relevant ;

2/ disruptors are the worst things to ever happen to this game. Worst than swarm hosts.


What? Are you joking about the disruptors? How many people feel that way about them? Disruptors are THE single most entertaining unit. You're being sarcastic, right?

Not joking the slightest. This unit has zero strategic value and just leads to random, tiresome games both for both players and viewers alike. I hate them with all my might.

you're free to hate them, but if they were truly random then Neeb's 4-0 over Trap, 3-1 over Stats, and 2-0 over Zest would all be incredibly unlikely

Hmmm I said they were random but there is little denying (I only catched the Apotheosis game) that at least Trap's blink disruptor control was abysmal while Neeb's was excellent. Give us two equally skilled blink disruptor players and yes, I think the game will be random as fuck. To sum up my thoughts : disruptors are intrinsically bad and random design-wise but Neeb was a lot better at using them than his KR opponents, probably because the KR meta isn't as disruptor heavy.

if 2 players were completely equally skilled then the results are supposed to be random, equal skill should mean they have 50/50 win rate against each other, the fact that the better player won with such a good record means it isn't random

Yeah I shouldn't have said equally skilled but just close skill wise. The Apotheosis game showed how bad Trap's control was compared to Neeb's (packing disruptors and launching 6 novas at a time while Neeb dodged things last second, perfectly sniped disruptors etc...) and I guess the other Neeb - KRs PvP games didn't look that different. But I'm rather adamant that if you have a match between a player who is good with blink disruptors and another one who is excellent, the results will be random. Maybe I'm wrong but that's my opinion.
kagamin
Profile Joined September 2010
United States191 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-03 12:39:46
October 03 2016 12:38 GMT
#1510
Gratz Neeb! Anyone know what they were saying at the end of the interview? And what was with Canata's 60 second handshake?
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12177 Posts
October 03 2016 12:39 GMT
#1511
On October 03 2016 21:33 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2016 21:31 Musicus wrote:
On October 03 2016 21:27 disciple wrote:
BW had March 3rd, now SC2 has October 3rd


Neeb is like David Hasslehoff, but instead of uniting Germany he united the sc2 scene by going to Korea and showing that there is no need for a region lock.

yeah that's the one good thing about this run. there are few arguments left now why koreans should be excluded from foreign tournaments. with more tournaments to play in they hopefully become more motivated again and regain their dominance.


Phrase that correctly and it might happen.

For example: foreign main organizations (DH, IEM, etc), we would like more global events next year, cause it looks like it has the potential to be really interesting.

Then we reward it with viewership when they do it, to display that we are in agreement with the practice.

What do you think?
No will to live, no wish to die
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24202 Posts
October 03 2016 12:39 GMT
#1512
On October 03 2016 21:38 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2016 21:36 Durnuu wrote:
I hate disruptors too, but I wonder why Trap/Stats didn't use phoenixes to counter them like Zest (and a few others) used to do.
Especially considering their disruptor/stalker army control sucked

Stats actually made Phoenixes one game and proceded not to use them

yeah I wonder why no one went phoenix archon chargelot. With good control you can trash disruptors players with that composition.
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
October 03 2016 12:39 GMT
#1513
On October 03 2016 21:37 papaz wrote:
Thanks for a great run Neeb, here is hoping you bring the same performance to Blizzcon.

Can't say it was fun watching disruptor dance at all.

This was the first tournament watchin LoTV and here I though Blizzard would have made the game more small scale battles, more things here and there on the map.

Instead it's still two armies dancing around each other and then BOOM there goes all your units in one go and it's over.

if you saw Neeb vs Trap Game 3, you would get your small scale battles mate
Faker is the GOAT!
Kettchup
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1911 Posts
October 03 2016 12:40 GMT
#1514
It wasn't just PvP, Neeb's PvZ looked really good as well. Sure, he had two super fast losses to Pet, but unlike getting out-macroed/out-microed, build order losses are something he can easily fix. I think he easily showed the skills needed to compete in that match-up.
uriel-
Profile Joined August 2007
Singapore1867 Posts
October 03 2016 12:40 GMT
#1515
that last game was god awful to watch
Legobiten
Profile Joined October 2015
71 Posts
October 03 2016 12:41 GMT
#1516
Came here to confirm how fucking epic that was and all I see is whining.... SC2 community never cease to amaze.

Insane play by Neeb! So exciting battles. Love the disruptors! What a godlike control!

GG!
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24202 Posts
October 03 2016 12:41 GMT
#1517
On October 03 2016 21:39 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2016 21:33 Charoisaur wrote:
On October 03 2016 21:31 Musicus wrote:
On October 03 2016 21:27 disciple wrote:
BW had March 3rd, now SC2 has October 3rd


Neeb is like David Hasslehoff, but instead of uniting Germany he united the sc2 scene by going to Korea and showing that there is no need for a region lock.

yeah that's the one good thing about this run. there are few arguments left now why koreans should be excluded from foreign tournaments. with more tournaments to play in they hopefully become more motivated again and regain their dominance.


Phrase that correctly and it might happen.

For example: foreign main organizations (DH, IEM, etc), we would like more global events next year, cause it looks like it has the potential to be really interesting.

Then we reward it with viewership when they do it, to display that we are in agreement with the practice.

What do you think?

agree. Let's see things in a more positive way
deus.machinarum
Profile Joined September 2011
Austria658 Posts
October 03 2016 12:42 GMT
#1518
Hooooooly.......pretty crazy run, gratz Neeb!
Nothing worth having comes easy.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28481 Posts
October 03 2016 12:43 GMT
#1519
On October 03 2016 21:41 Legobiten wrote:
Came here to confirm how fucking epic that was and all I see is whining.... SC2 community never cease to amaze.

Insane play by Neeb! So exciting battles. Love the disruptors! What a godlike control!

GG!

all you see is whining? wow
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Lil_nooblet
Profile Joined March 2016
United States459 Posts
October 03 2016 12:44 GMT
#1520
On October 03 2016 21:27 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2016 21:25 Fighter wrote:
On October 03 2016 21:20 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Pretty incredible performance from Neeb. Although :

1/ I'm pretty sure he won't get half the credit he deserves just because he's P, even though he won most of his series in PvP where no balance issues can be relevant ;

2/ disruptors are the worst things to ever happen to this game. Worst than swarm hosts.


What? Are you joking about the disruptors? How many people feel that way about them? Disruptors are THE single most entertaining unit. You're being sarcastic, right?

Not joking the slightest. This unit has zero strategic value and just leads to random, tiresome games for both players and viewers alike. I hate them with all my might.


Couldn't agree more. It drags out games that should have ended a long time ago. It's excruciating to watch and play.
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