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On October 03 2016 21:25 Fighter wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2016 21:20 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Pretty incredible performance from Neeb. Although :
1/ I'm pretty sure he won't get half the credit he deserves just because he's P, even though he won most of his series in PvP where no balance issues can be relevant ;
2/ disruptors are the worst things to ever happen to this game. Worst than swarm hosts. What? Are you joking about the disruptors? How many people feel that way about them? Disruptors are THE single most entertaining unit. You're being sarcastic, right?
I completely agree with you, disruptors are one of the best units in the game. They take skill to use well and create amazing moments in the game.
Without them pvp is matter of massing one more colossus or one more immortal and then a moving with your guardian shield.
COMPLETELY different than swarm hosts... not even remotely close to a unit you burrow and forget about.
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On October 03 2016 21:25 Fighter wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2016 21:20 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Pretty incredible performance from Neeb. Although :
1/ I'm pretty sure he won't get half the credit he deserves just because he's P, even though he won most of his series in PvP where no balance issues can be relevant ;
2/ disruptors are the worst things to ever happen to this game. Worst than swarm hosts. What? Are you joking about the disruptors? How many people feel that way about them? Disruptors are THE single most entertaining unit. You're being sarcastic, right?
Entertaining...a bit yeah, but I feel it's a big gimmick that ends up in half hour matches of stalker disruptor ping pong where a few good shots decide it. A single tiny mistake or lack of focus at the right place can lose you the entire army. I just think a unit that can instantly kill so many other units in one shot from a distance is not very good design.
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On October 03 2016 21:27 AzAlexZ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2016 21:26 Charoisaur wrote:On October 03 2016 21:24 The_Red_Viper wrote:On October 03 2016 21:23 Charoisaur wrote:On October 03 2016 21:19 Nebuchad wrote:On October 03 2016 21:19 Charoisaur wrote:
next tournament neeb is dead since the koreans won't underestimate him anymore Seriously do you even realize how bad you sound in this thread? omg I sound so bad I'm not hopping on the foreigner-circlejerk train, cry me a river. This isn't about foreigner hypetrain, this is about acknowledging that Neeb played very well and 100% showed the best PvP this tournament. Get some perspective I acknowledge he played well but he won the tournament almost solely with his pvp. so? Zest won 2014 KeSPA Cup playing only PvP, no one seemed to bitch about him, Neeb at least played another matchup
Lol people bitch about race matchups all the time. It is actually weird how little whining there was about all of Neeb's PvPs
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On October 03 2016 21:29 Die4Ever wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2016 21:27 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 03 2016 21:25 Fighter wrote:On October 03 2016 21:20 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Pretty incredible performance from Neeb. Although :
1/ I'm pretty sure he won't get half the credit he deserves just because he's P, even though he won most of his series in PvP where no balance issues can be relevant ;
2/ disruptors are the worst things to ever happen to this game. Worst than swarm hosts. What? Are you joking about the disruptors? How many people feel that way about them? Disruptors are THE single most entertaining unit. You're being sarcastic, right? Not joking the slightest. This unit has zero strategic value and just leads to random, tiresome games both for both players and viewers alike. I hate them with all my might. you're free to hate them, but if they were truly random then Neeb's 4-0 over Trap, 3-1 over Stats, and 2-0 over Zest would all be incredibly unlikely
Hmmm I said they were random but there is little denying (I only catched the Apotheosis game) that at least Trap's blink disruptor control was abysmal while Neeb's was excellent. Give us two equally skilled blink disruptor players and yes, I think the game will be random as fuck. To sum up my thoughts : disruptors are intrinsically bad and random design-wise but Neeb was a lot better at using them than his KR opponents, probably because the KR meta isn't as disruptor heavy.
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On October 03 2016 21:29 AzAlexZ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2016 21:28 Charoisaur wrote:On October 03 2016 21:27 AzAlexZ wrote:On October 03 2016 21:26 Charoisaur wrote:On October 03 2016 21:24 The_Red_Viper wrote:On October 03 2016 21:23 Charoisaur wrote:On October 03 2016 21:19 Nebuchad wrote:On October 03 2016 21:19 Charoisaur wrote:
next tournament neeb is dead since the koreans won't underestimate him anymore Seriously do you even realize how bad you sound in this thread? omg I sound so bad I'm not hopping on the foreigner-circlejerk train, cry me a river. This isn't about foreigner hypetrain, this is about acknowledging that Neeb played very well and 100% showed the best PvP this tournament. Get some perspective I acknowledge he played well but he won the tournament almost solely with his pvp. so? Zest won 2014 KeSPA Cup playing only PvP, no one seemed to bitch about him, Neeb at least played another matchup there were a ton of people bitching about him back then and calling him a patchtoss. I doubt it as that was into his third tournament win of the year
yes but it was also during the blink-era so people were quick to devalue his results
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Thanks to everyone on the LR. It doubled the already insane amounts of hype.
GLHF
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On October 03 2016 21:27 disciple wrote:
BW had March 3rd, now SC2 has October 3rd
grrrrr won the osl on a 15th of may :p
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On October 03 2016 21:20 SC2Toastie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2016 21:19 Gwavajuice wrote:
Ok guys, now everybody hugs the poor guys that refused to watch WCS because they only wanted "the highest level of skill".
You're too many to be listed, but it's ok, don't you cry, you can still catch up and watch the vods. I watched. Need plays very well. It is PvP though, and the map pool ffavors his race hard. And Neeb has, in my opinion, not been truely tested in this run. And I still think WCS16 killed KR scene.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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On October 03 2016 21:27 disciple wrote:
BW had March 3rd, now SC2 has October 3rd
Neeb is like David Hasslehoff, but instead of uniting Germany he united the sc2 scene by going to Korea and showing that there is no need for a region lock.
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On October 03 2016 21:23 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2016 21:22 The_Red_Viper wrote:On October 03 2016 21:19 Nebuchad wrote:On October 03 2016 21:19 Charoisaur wrote:
next tournament neeb is dead since the koreans won't underestimate him anymore Seriously do you even realize how bad you sound in this thread? See i agree with you and i am probably one of those "korean elitists" in your eyes  Nah not really. Korean elitists are feeling bad right now, I don't think that's your case.
I am a Korean elitist and I am not feeling bad :o. Even tho I'm more on the boat of "kr terrans are the most skilled sc2 players" :o.
Gratz Neeb :D
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On October 03 2016 21:29 AzAlexZ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2016 21:28 Charoisaur wrote:On October 03 2016 21:27 AzAlexZ wrote:On October 03 2016 21:26 Charoisaur wrote:On October 03 2016 21:24 The_Red_Viper wrote:On October 03 2016 21:23 Charoisaur wrote:On October 03 2016 21:19 Nebuchad wrote:On October 03 2016 21:19 Charoisaur wrote:
next tournament neeb is dead since the koreans won't underestimate him anymore Seriously do you even realize how bad you sound in this thread? omg I sound so bad I'm not hopping on the foreigner-circlejerk train, cry me a river. This isn't about foreigner hypetrain, this is about acknowledging that Neeb played very well and 100% showed the best PvP this tournament. Get some perspective I acknowledge he played well but he won the tournament almost solely with his pvp. so? Zest won 2014 KeSPA Cup playing only PvP, no one seemed to bitch about him, Neeb at least played another matchup there were a ton of people bitching about him back then and calling him a patchtoss. I doubt it as that was into his third tournament win of the year
It was in a time when avery tournament was won by a protoss. So they were all patch tosses. Zest wast the best PvP at the time. (Which was enough to win everything)
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Wow the technology is here
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On October 03 2016 21:31 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2016 21:27 disciple wrote:
BW had March 3rd, now SC2 has October 3rd Neeb is like David Hasslehoff, but instead of uniting Germany he united the sc2 scene by going to Korea and showing that there is no need for a region lock.
yeah that's the one good thing about this run. there are few arguments left now why koreans should be excluded from foreign tournaments. with more tournaments to play in they hopefully become more motivated again and regain their dominance.
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On October 03 2016 21:33 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2016 21:31 Musicus wrote:On October 03 2016 21:27 disciple wrote:
BW had March 3rd, now SC2 has October 3rd Neeb is like David Hasslehoff, but instead of uniting Germany he united the sc2 scene by going to Korea and showing that there is no need for a region lock. yeah that's the one good thing about this run. there are few arguments left now why koreans should be excluded from foreign tournaments. with more tournaments to play in they hopefully become more motivated again and regain their dominance.
ha ha that's actually a fair point.
I'm slowly regaining some passion atm -even played a game yesterday !-, I hope I'll be excited for Blizzcon and next year.
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On October 03 2016 21:30 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2016 21:29 Die4Ever wrote:On October 03 2016 21:27 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 03 2016 21:25 Fighter wrote:On October 03 2016 21:20 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Pretty incredible performance from Neeb. Although :
1/ I'm pretty sure he won't get half the credit he deserves just because he's P, even though he won most of his series in PvP where no balance issues can be relevant ;
2/ disruptors are the worst things to ever happen to this game. Worst than swarm hosts. What? Are you joking about the disruptors? How many people feel that way about them? Disruptors are THE single most entertaining unit. You're being sarcastic, right? Not joking the slightest. This unit has zero strategic value and just leads to random, tiresome games both for both players and viewers alike. I hate them with all my might. you're free to hate them, but if they were truly random then Neeb's 4-0 over Trap, 3-1 over Stats, and 2-0 over Zest would all be incredibly unlikely Hmmm I said they were random but there is little denying (I only catched the Apotheosis game) that at least Trap's blink disruptor control was abysmal while Neeb's was excellent. Give us two equally skilled blink disruptor players and yes, I think the game will be random as fuck. To sum up my thoughts : disruptors are intrinsically bad and random design-wise but Neeb was a lot better at using them than his KR opponents, probably because the KR meta isn't as disruptor heavy.
if 2 players were completely equally skilled then the results are supposed to be random, equal skill should mean they have 50/50 win rate against each other, the fact that the better player won with such a good record means it isn't random
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On October 03 2016 21:27 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2016 21:25 Fighter wrote:On October 03 2016 21:20 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Pretty incredible performance from Neeb. Although :
1/ I'm pretty sure he won't get half the credit he deserves just because he's P, even though he won most of his series in PvP where no balance issues can be relevant ;
2/ disruptors are the worst things to ever happen to this game. Worst than swarm hosts. What? Are you joking about the disruptors? How many people feel that way about them? Disruptors are THE single most entertaining unit. You're being sarcastic, right? Not joking the slightest. This unit has zero strategic value and just leads to random, tiresome games for both players and viewers alike. I hate them with all my might.
I fully agree. The worst finals ever.
I am happy for Neeb, I am happy for the huge success of Trap getting second, but disruptor ping pong was the reason, why I completely stopped watching foreigner PvP. The Korean meta was somehow OK as they usually did not do the stupid random ping pong wars ... But here, it was this ping pong every game. Really disappointed.
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Congrats to Neeb. That was an amazing achievement. Getting really hyped up for Global Playoffs now. 
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