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beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
August 13 2016 22:40 GMT
#2561
On August 14 2016 07:39 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2016 07:37 beentheredonethat wrote:
On August 14 2016 07:36 ArtyK wrote:
On August 14 2016 07:35 beentheredonethat wrote:
On August 14 2016 07:34 ArtyK wrote:
On August 14 2016 07:33 beentheredonethat wrote:
On August 14 2016 07:31 Ej_ wrote:
On August 14 2016 07:30 beentheredonethat wrote:
That's the weak point of banning the highest skilled chunk of players. If one decides to actually live in the place and follow the rules, he'll easily top the competition.

like that time TRUE got dunked on during HSC

There's always an exception to the rule. But I'm fairly sure you'll agree with me that in whatever foreign tournament TRUE decides to play, he'll be a favourite to win.


id argue nerchio neeb or one of the terrans over true

I'd rate TRUE higher than any foreign pro. I'm ready to bet 50 bucks that TRUE won't lose to any pro in a Bo21 series.


i mean bo21 is unlikely to happen so lets stay on bo5 - bo7s shall we :D

TRUE definetly has strong zvp and zvz but idk his zvt is shaky ever since he came to us

The idea behind the bo21 is that a single bo5 or a single bo7 does not indicate the better player. Only numerous games over a period of time determine that.


The idea behind the bo21 is that preparing for a series is cheating, and that your wins aren't as legitimate as doing a ladder macro build 21 times.

Nah, you're missing my point. Take the bo21 as a three times bo7. Is it more clear now?
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
August 13 2016 22:40 GMT
#2562
Yep, loud noices are literally amazing.
why even
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
August 13 2016 22:41 GMT
#2563
Did TRUE just lay the beatdown on Welmu?
kiss kiss fall in love
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
August 13 2016 22:41 GMT
#2564
On August 14 2016 07:40 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2016 07:35 Penev wrote:
On August 14 2016 07:34 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On August 14 2016 07:32 Penev wrote:
On August 14 2016 07:31 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On August 14 2016 07:30 beentheredonethat wrote:
That's the weak point of banning the highest skilled chunk of players. If one decides to actually live in the place and follow the rules, he'll easily top the competition.


Most foreigners that go to Korea come out looking worse tbf.

At first


And later too.

On August 14 2016 07:33 beentheredonethat wrote:
On August 14 2016 07:31 Ej_ wrote:
On August 14 2016 07:30 beentheredonethat wrote:
That's the weak point of banning the highest skilled chunk of players. If one decides to actually live in the place and follow the rules, he'll easily top the competition.

like that time TRUE got dunked on during HSC

There's always an exception to the rule. But I'm fairly sure you'll agree with me that in whatever foreign tournament TRUE decides to play, he'll be a favourite to win.


Not really. He has a chance, but he isn't a top Korean.

No not later too, look at Harstem for instance


He did win a few tournaments, but still drops maps all over the place against weak opponents. I don't think his form is any better than before he went to Korea. There are some players that have improved like HuK or Scarlett, but many more who came out worse than before like Stephano or Thorzain.

sure
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Clonester
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany2808 Posts
August 13 2016 22:41 GMT
#2565
On August 14 2016 07:40 Ej_ wrote:
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On August 14 2016 07:38 beentheredonethat wrote:
But what I originally wanted to say is that I think that pretty much any Korean is going to win over foreigners and be the favourite in the current system. They are peak players. Very few highly skilled players cannot create a good environment for foreigners to improve .

That's also wrong. Koreans outside Korea are nothing more than people who chase the easier competition.


There is nothing wrong with collecting money when it is there with a sign "free money if you can get here".
Bomber, Attacker, DD, SOMEBODY, NiKo, Nex, Spidii
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
August 13 2016 22:41 GMT
#2566
On August 14 2016 07:40 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2016 07:38 beentheredonethat wrote:
But what I originally wanted to say is that I think that pretty much any Korean is going to win over foreigners and be the favourite in the current system. They are peak players. Very few highly skilled players cannot create a good environment for foreigners to improve .

That's also wrong. Koreans outside Korea are nothing more than people who chase the easier competition.

Yes. And one peak player among one hundred weaker players will win most of the time, but the 100 other players will not be able to improve.

If there would be like 25 koreans on 100 foreigners, foreigners would improve in the long run.
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
August 13 2016 22:42 GMT
#2567
plz just speak korean this is too much for me
rip passion
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
August 13 2016 22:42 GMT
#2568
The shoutout!
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
August 13 2016 22:42 GMT
#2569
OH shit. Soularion getting called out for his power rank.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
August 13 2016 22:42 GMT
#2570
ahahaha
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12487 Posts
August 13 2016 22:42 GMT
#2571
On August 14 2016 07:40 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2016 07:39 Nebuchad wrote:
On August 14 2016 07:37 beentheredonethat wrote:
On August 14 2016 07:36 ArtyK wrote:
On August 14 2016 07:35 beentheredonethat wrote:
On August 14 2016 07:34 ArtyK wrote:
On August 14 2016 07:33 beentheredonethat wrote:
On August 14 2016 07:31 Ej_ wrote:
On August 14 2016 07:30 beentheredonethat wrote:
That's the weak point of banning the highest skilled chunk of players. If one decides to actually live in the place and follow the rules, he'll easily top the competition.

like that time TRUE got dunked on during HSC

There's always an exception to the rule. But I'm fairly sure you'll agree with me that in whatever foreign tournament TRUE decides to play, he'll be a favourite to win.


id argue nerchio neeb or one of the terrans over true

I'd rate TRUE higher than any foreign pro. I'm ready to bet 50 bucks that TRUE won't lose to any pro in a Bo21 series.


i mean bo21 is unlikely to happen so lets stay on bo5 - bo7s shall we :D

TRUE definetly has strong zvp and zvz but idk his zvt is shaky ever since he came to us

The idea behind the bo21 is that a single bo5 or a single bo7 does not indicate the better player. Only numerous games over a period of time determine that.


The idea behind the bo21 is that preparing for a series is cheating, and that your wins aren't as legitimate as doing a ladder macro build 21 times.

Nah, you're missing my point. Take the bo21 as a three times bo7. Is it more clear now?


It's still wrong. The notion that a longer series allows the better player to win implies that having a series (or a game) well prepared is not as impressive a skill as having a build that you can repeat consistently.
No will to live, no wish to die
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
August 13 2016 22:43 GMT
#2572
TRUE I THOUGHT YOU WERE #1 THE ENTIRE TIME T_T
rip passion
zyzzbrah888
Profile Joined April 2016
20 Posts
August 13 2016 22:43 GMT
#2573
God i missed these korean/english interviews with funny koreans :D
D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
August 13 2016 22:43 GMT
#2574
TL rekt.
why even
riotjune
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States3394 Posts
August 13 2016 22:43 GMT
#2575
THE FUCK HE SAY
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12247 Posts
August 13 2016 22:43 GMT
#2576
On August 14 2016 07:40 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2016 07:35 Penev wrote:
On August 14 2016 07:34 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On August 14 2016 07:32 Penev wrote:
On August 14 2016 07:31 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On August 14 2016 07:30 beentheredonethat wrote:
That's the weak point of banning the highest skilled chunk of players. If one decides to actually live in the place and follow the rules, he'll easily top the competition.


Most foreigners that go to Korea come out looking worse tbf.

At first


And later too.

On August 14 2016 07:33 beentheredonethat wrote:
On August 14 2016 07:31 Ej_ wrote:
On August 14 2016 07:30 beentheredonethat wrote:
That's the weak point of banning the highest skilled chunk of players. If one decides to actually live in the place and follow the rules, he'll easily top the competition.

like that time TRUE got dunked on during HSC

There's always an exception to the rule. But I'm fairly sure you'll agree with me that in whatever foreign tournament TRUE decides to play, he'll be a favourite to win.


Not really. He has a chance, but he isn't a top Korean.

No not later too, look at Harstem for instance


He did win a few tournaments, but still drops maps all over the place against weak opponents. I don't think his form is any better than before he went to Korea. There are some players that have improved like HuK or Scarlett, but many more who came out worse than before like Stephano or Thorzain.


Come to think of it, which players other than Jinro, Huk and Naniwa actually became top players after going to Korea?
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Clonester
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany2808 Posts
August 13 2016 22:43 GMT
#2577
The obvious powerrank/prediction burn, sadly not by HuK, who then goes out in groups.
Bomber, Attacker, DD, SOMEBODY, NiKo, Nex, Spidii
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
August 13 2016 22:43 GMT
#2578
TL writers getting called out.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
August 13 2016 22:43 GMT
#2579
On August 14 2016 07:42 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
OH shit. Soularion getting called out for his power rank.

Happens. V^_^
kiss kiss fall in love
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
August 13 2016 22:43 GMT
#2580
Haha what did he say?
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