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On March 03 2016 01:20 SmykuToronto wrote:
Zerg losing ZvP on prion?
Nerchio did nothing to exploit the map. Plus with the natural change it's probably quite even now.
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On March 03 2016 01:17 Ppjack wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2016 01:15 Soularion wrote:
Very glad that I ended up overrating Lilbow rather than underrating him. PR not looking as bad now, lol. Lilbow is trully capable of winning this championship. He has a problem in mentality, he is just totally throwing the games where he is well ahead. Why ? He wents to end the game right there. It is just not the best move. But in raw skill, mechanics, build orders, he is still top notch. He seems to be eager to win and finish the games, I don't know why.
I would say that he´s mechanics have always been bad. He´s really good at all-ins though.
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On March 03 2016 01:22 RaFox17 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2016 01:17 Ppjack wrote:On March 03 2016 01:15 Soularion wrote:
Very glad that I ended up overrating Lilbow rather than underrating him. PR not looking as bad now, lol. Lilbow is trully capable of winning this championship. He has a problem in mentality, he is just totally throwing the games where he is well ahead. Why ? He wents to end the game right there. It is just not the best move. But in raw skill, mechanics, build orders, he is still top notch. He seems to be eager to win and finish the games, I don't know why. I would say that he´s mechanics have always been bad. He´s really good at all-ins though.
I agree. I'd rate his mechanics in the low tier of progamers, but his killer instinct has always been excellent -hence why he's so good at all-inning.
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You see Stats, that's what you should have done in Starleague after holding the drop on Ulrena. This. Not the stupid things you did.
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On March 03 2016 01:22 RaFox17 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2016 01:17 Ppjack wrote:On March 03 2016 01:15 Soularion wrote:
Very glad that I ended up overrating Lilbow rather than underrating him. PR not looking as bad now, lol. Lilbow is trully capable of winning this championship. He has a problem in mentality, he is just totally throwing the games where he is well ahead. Why ? He wents to end the game right there. It is just not the best move. But in raw skill, mechanics, build orders, he is still top notch. He seems to be eager to win and finish the games, I don't know why. I would say that he´s mechanics have always been bad. He´s really good at all-ins though.
The idea that being good at all-ins means you have bad mechanics is a fallacy. Your all-ins are much more powerful with good mechanics.
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On March 03 2016 01:24 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2016 01:22 RaFox17 wrote:On March 03 2016 01:17 Ppjack wrote:On March 03 2016 01:15 Soularion wrote:
Very glad that I ended up overrating Lilbow rather than underrating him. PR not looking as bad now, lol. Lilbow is trully capable of winning this championship. He has a problem in mentality, he is just totally throwing the games where he is well ahead. Why ? He wents to end the game right there. It is just not the best move. But in raw skill, mechanics, build orders, he is still top notch. He seems to be eager to win and finish the games, I don't know why. I would say that he´s mechanics have always been bad. He´s really good at all-ins though. The idea that being good at all-ins means you have bad mechanics is a fallacy. Your all-ins are much more powerful with good mechanics.
That's not what he said though. He says "his mechanics are bad but he's still good at all-ins". Not "he's good at all-ins so his mechanics are bad".
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On March 03 2016 01:24 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2016 01:22 RaFox17 wrote:On March 03 2016 01:17 Ppjack wrote:On March 03 2016 01:15 Soularion wrote:
Very glad that I ended up overrating Lilbow rather than underrating him. PR not looking as bad now, lol. Lilbow is trully capable of winning this championship. He has a problem in mentality, he is just totally throwing the games where he is well ahead. Why ? He wents to end the game right there. It is just not the best move. But in raw skill, mechanics, build orders, he is still top notch. He seems to be eager to win and finish the games, I don't know why. I would say that he´s mechanics have always been bad. He´s really good at all-ins though. The idea that being good at all-ins means you have bad mechanics is a fallacy. Your all-ins are much more powerful with good mechanics.
It's definitely easier to go away with average mechanics with all-ins than in macro oriented games though. But I agree the good at all-ins = bad mechanically thing is just stupid, just look at MC or PartinG in their prime, they would just kill you with all-ins because it was quicker but they backed it up with the option of excellent macro play. Hell, remember hyvaa vs INnoVation ? A good all-inner is an all-inner that has extremely solid macro play to back it up.
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On March 03 2016 01:22 RaFox17 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2016 01:17 Ppjack wrote:On March 03 2016 01:15 Soularion wrote:
Very glad that I ended up overrating Lilbow rather than underrating him. PR not looking as bad now, lol. Lilbow is trully capable of winning this championship. He has a problem in mentality, he is just totally throwing the games where he is well ahead. Why ? He wents to end the game right there. It is just not the best move. But in raw skill, mechanics, build orders, he is still top notch. He seems to be eager to win and finish the games, I don't know why. I would say that he´s mechanics have always been bad. He´s really good at all-ins though.
I would say he has not the best mechanics (but which foreign protoss has?) on earth, but every execution, little micro move, is really really well done. In general obviously.
Plus he probably has the bests build orders / timings of the foreign scene.
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On March 03 2016 01:24 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2016 01:22 RaFox17 wrote:On March 03 2016 01:17 Ppjack wrote:On March 03 2016 01:15 Soularion wrote:
Very glad that I ended up overrating Lilbow rather than underrating him. PR not looking as bad now, lol. Lilbow is trully capable of winning this championship. He has a problem in mentality, he is just totally throwing the games where he is well ahead. Why ? He wents to end the game right there. It is just not the best move. But in raw skill, mechanics, build orders, he is still top notch. He seems to be eager to win and finish the games, I don't know why. I would say that he´s mechanics have always been bad. He´s really good at all-ins though. The idea that being good at all-ins means you have bad mechanics is a fallacy. Your all-ins are much more powerful with good mechanics.
Have you ever seen him in macro games? He has the "Lilbow bank" of 1k/1k all the time. (Lilbow bank is a term that i just invented so please credit me when you use it) 
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I haven't seen a protoss winning on Prion for a long time. Nerchio should have attacked earlier, not let the third finish and drop his zerglings on an overcharged pylon.
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On March 03 2016 01:26 Ppjack wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2016 01:22 RaFox17 wrote:On March 03 2016 01:17 Ppjack wrote:On March 03 2016 01:15 Soularion wrote:
Very glad that I ended up overrating Lilbow rather than underrating him. PR not looking as bad now, lol. Lilbow is trully capable of winning this championship. He has a problem in mentality, he is just totally throwing the games where he is well ahead. Why ? He wents to end the game right there. It is just not the best move. But in raw skill, mechanics, build orders, he is still top notch. He seems to be eager to win and finish the games, I don't know why. I would say that he´s mechanics have always been bad. He´s really good at all-ins though. I would say he has not the best mechanics (but which foreign protoss has?) on earth, but every execution, little micro move, is really really well done. In general obviously. Plus he probably has the bests build orders / timings of the foreign scene.
ShoWTimE has much better mechanics, for example. But he lacks the killer instinct Lilbow has.
No nexus first on Ruins, by god they evolved.
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On March 03 2016 01:26 Ppjack wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2016 01:22 RaFox17 wrote:On March 03 2016 01:17 Ppjack wrote:On March 03 2016 01:15 Soularion wrote:
Very glad that I ended up overrating Lilbow rather than underrating him. PR not looking as bad now, lol. Lilbow is trully capable of winning this championship. He has a problem in mentality, he is just totally throwing the games where he is well ahead. Why ? He wents to end the game right there. It is just not the best move. But in raw skill, mechanics, build orders, he is still top notch. He seems to be eager to win and finish the games, I don't know why. I would say that he´s mechanics have always been bad. He´s really good at all-ins though. I would say he has not the best mechanics ( but which foreign protoss has?) on earth, but every execution, little micro move, is really really well done. In general obviously. Plus he probably has the bests build orders / timings of the foreign scene.
that's a good question actually. Even among Koreans, I wonder who is the most mechanically sound Protoss.
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On March 03 2016 01:26 RaFox17 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2016 01:24 OtherWorld wrote:On March 03 2016 01:22 RaFox17 wrote:On March 03 2016 01:17 Ppjack wrote:On March 03 2016 01:15 Soularion wrote:
Very glad that I ended up overrating Lilbow rather than underrating him. PR not looking as bad now, lol. Lilbow is trully capable of winning this championship. He has a problem in mentality, he is just totally throwing the games where he is well ahead. Why ? He wents to end the game right there. It is just not the best move. But in raw skill, mechanics, build orders, he is still top notch. He seems to be eager to win and finish the games, I don't know why. I would say that he´s mechanics have always been bad. He´s really good at all-ins though. The idea that being good at all-ins means you have bad mechanics is a fallacy. Your all-ins are much more powerful with good mechanics. Have you ever seen him in macro games? He has the "Lilbow bank" of 1k/1k all the time. (Lilbow bank is a term that i just invented so please credit me when you use it)
That is to have a better choice of what he wants to warp next cycle :p hehe
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On March 03 2016 01:27 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2016 01:26 Ppjack wrote:On March 03 2016 01:22 RaFox17 wrote:On March 03 2016 01:17 Ppjack wrote:On March 03 2016 01:15 Soularion wrote:
Very glad that I ended up overrating Lilbow rather than underrating him. PR not looking as bad now, lol. Lilbow is trully capable of winning this championship. He has a problem in mentality, he is just totally throwing the games where he is well ahead. Why ? He wents to end the game right there. It is just not the best move. But in raw skill, mechanics, build orders, he is still top notch. He seems to be eager to win and finish the games, I don't know why. I would say that he´s mechanics have always been bad. He´s really good at all-ins though. I would say he has not the best mechanics ( but which foreign protoss has?) on earth, but every execution, little micro move, is really really well done. In general obviously. Plus he probably has the bests build orders / timings of the foreign scene. that's a good question actually. Even among Koreans, I wonder who is the most mechanically sound Protoss.
Has.
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On March 03 2016 01:26 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2016 01:24 OtherWorld wrote:On March 03 2016 01:22 RaFox17 wrote:On March 03 2016 01:17 Ppjack wrote:On March 03 2016 01:15 Soularion wrote:
Very glad that I ended up overrating Lilbow rather than underrating him. PR not looking as bad now, lol. Lilbow is trully capable of winning this championship. He has a problem in mentality, he is just totally throwing the games where he is well ahead. Why ? He wents to end the game right there. It is just not the best move. But in raw skill, mechanics, build orders, he is still top notch. He seems to be eager to win and finish the games, I don't know why. I would say that he´s mechanics have always been bad. He´s really good at all-ins though. The idea that being good at all-ins means you have bad mechanics is a fallacy. Your all-ins are much more powerful with good mechanics. It's definitely easier to go away with average mechanics with all-ins than in macro oriented games though. But I agree the good at all-ins = bad mechanically thing is just stupid, just look at MC or PartinG in their prime, they would just kill you with all-ins because it was quicker but they backed it up with the option of excellent macro play. Hell, remember hyvaa vs INnoVation ? A good all-inner is an all-inner that has extremely solid macro play to back it up.
would you define has as a good all-inner ?
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On March 03 2016 01:27 Ppjack wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2016 01:26 RaFox17 wrote:On March 03 2016 01:24 OtherWorld wrote:On March 03 2016 01:22 RaFox17 wrote:On March 03 2016 01:17 Ppjack wrote:On March 03 2016 01:15 Soularion wrote:
Very glad that I ended up overrating Lilbow rather than underrating him. PR not looking as bad now, lol. Lilbow is trully capable of winning this championship. He has a problem in mentality, he is just totally throwing the games where he is well ahead. Why ? He wents to end the game right there. It is just not the best move. But in raw skill, mechanics, build orders, he is still top notch. He seems to be eager to win and finish the games, I don't know why. I would say that he´s mechanics have always been bad. He´s really good at all-ins though. The idea that being good at all-ins means you have bad mechanics is a fallacy. Your all-ins are much more powerful with good mechanics. Have you ever seen him in macro games? He has the "Lilbow bank" of 1k/1k all the time. (Lilbow bank is a term that i just invented so please credit me when you use it) That is to have a better choice of what he wants to warp next cycle :p hehe
Thing is this is not far from the truth. Zest got ridiculed for his macro sometimes, but he just warped in things when he needed them.
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On March 03 2016 01:28 Makro wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2016 01:26 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 03 2016 01:24 OtherWorld wrote:On March 03 2016 01:22 RaFox17 wrote:On March 03 2016 01:17 Ppjack wrote:On March 03 2016 01:15 Soularion wrote:
Very glad that I ended up overrating Lilbow rather than underrating him. PR not looking as bad now, lol. Lilbow is trully capable of winning this championship. He has a problem in mentality, he is just totally throwing the games where he is well ahead. Why ? He wents to end the game right there. It is just not the best move. But in raw skill, mechanics, build orders, he is still top notch. He seems to be eager to win and finish the games, I don't know why. I would say that he´s mechanics have always been bad. He´s really good at all-ins though. The idea that being good at all-ins means you have bad mechanics is a fallacy. Your all-ins are much more powerful with good mechanics. It's definitely easier to go away with average mechanics with all-ins than in macro oriented games though. But I agree the good at all-ins = bad mechanically thing is just stupid, just look at MC or PartinG in their prime, they would just kill you with all-ins because it was quicker but they backed it up with the option of excellent macro play. Hell, remember hyvaa vs INnoVation ? A good all-inner is an all-inner that has extremely solid macro play to back it up. would you define has as a good all-inner ?
I don't remember Has playing a solid macro game. Do you ?
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Ha ha I love how he calls those roaches safety roaches.
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On March 03 2016 01:27 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2016 01:26 Ppjack wrote:On March 03 2016 01:22 RaFox17 wrote:On March 03 2016 01:17 Ppjack wrote:On March 03 2016 01:15 Soularion wrote:
Very glad that I ended up overrating Lilbow rather than underrating him. PR not looking as bad now, lol. Lilbow is trully capable of winning this championship. He has a problem in mentality, he is just totally throwing the games where he is well ahead. Why ? He wents to end the game right there. It is just not the best move. But in raw skill, mechanics, build orders, he is still top notch. He seems to be eager to win and finish the games, I don't know why. I would say that he´s mechanics have always been bad. He´s really good at all-ins though. I would say he has not the best mechanics ( but which foreign protoss has?) on earth, but every execution, little micro move, is really really well done. In general obviously. Plus he probably has the bests build orders / timings of the foreign scene. that's a good question actually. Even among Koreans, I wonder who is the most mechanically sound Protoss.
herO is probably the best mechanically when he's in form. Zest always floats excessive amounts of money (everything else is so perfect that he still has the right amount of units though, no idea how that works), sOs has said himself that his hands are slow and his mechanics aren't that good. Classic and Stats also have good mechanics I guess. Since Rain retired this is a lot more open 
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