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On March 03 2016 01:29 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2016 01:28 Makro wrote:On March 03 2016 01:26 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 03 2016 01:24 OtherWorld wrote:On March 03 2016 01:22 RaFox17 wrote:On March 03 2016 01:17 Ppjack wrote:On March 03 2016 01:15 Soularion wrote:
Very glad that I ended up overrating Lilbow rather than underrating him. PR not looking as bad now, lol. Lilbow is trully capable of winning this championship. He has a problem in mentality, he is just totally throwing the games where he is well ahead. Why ? He wents to end the game right there. It is just not the best move. But in raw skill, mechanics, build orders, he is still top notch. He seems to be eager to win and finish the games, I don't know why. I would say that he´s mechanics have always been bad. He´s really good at all-ins though. The idea that being good at all-ins means you have bad mechanics is a fallacy. Your all-ins are much more powerful with good mechanics. It's definitely easier to go away with average mechanics with all-ins than in macro oriented games though. But I agree the good at all-ins = bad mechanically thing is just stupid, just look at MC or PartinG in their prime, they would just kill you with all-ins because it was quicker but they backed it up with the option of excellent macro play. Hell, remember hyvaa vs INnoVation ? A good all-inner is an all-inner that has extremely solid macro play to back it up. would you define has as a good all-inner ? I don't remember Has playing a solid macro game. Do you ?
fair enough
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On March 03 2016 01:29 Otolia wrote:
Was that a 9pool ?
In LotV it's never a 9-pool.
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On March 03 2016 01:30 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2016 01:27 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 03 2016 01:26 Ppjack wrote:On March 03 2016 01:22 RaFox17 wrote:On March 03 2016 01:17 Ppjack wrote:On March 03 2016 01:15 Soularion wrote:
Very glad that I ended up overrating Lilbow rather than underrating him. PR not looking as bad now, lol. Lilbow is trully capable of winning this championship. He has a problem in mentality, he is just totally throwing the games where he is well ahead. Why ? He wents to end the game right there. It is just not the best move. But in raw skill, mechanics, build orders, he is still top notch. He seems to be eager to win and finish the games, I don't know why. I would say that he´s mechanics have always been bad. He´s really good at all-ins though. I would say he has not the best mechanics ( but which foreign protoss has?) on earth, but every execution, little micro move, is really really well done. In general obviously. Plus he probably has the bests build orders / timings of the foreign scene. that's a good question actually. Even among Koreans, I wonder who is the most mechanically sound Protoss. herO is probably the best mechanically when he's in form. Zest always floats excessive amounts of money (everything else is so perfect that he still has the right amount of units though, no idea how that works), sOs has said himself that his hands are slow and his mechanics aren't that good. Classic and Stats also have good mechanics I guess. Since Rain retired this is a lot more open 
I'm not even sure Rain was THAT great mechanically. He was divine as far as build orders and (especially) compositions go but I'm unsure his macro was the most pristine. Thing is I think it's harder to display great macro play as Protoss compared to let's say T (Bomber in his prime) or Z (soO) given how the race works.
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On March 03 2016 01:32 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2016 01:30 Elentos wrote:On March 03 2016 01:27 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 03 2016 01:26 Ppjack wrote:On March 03 2016 01:22 RaFox17 wrote:On March 03 2016 01:17 Ppjack wrote:On March 03 2016 01:15 Soularion wrote:
Very glad that I ended up overrating Lilbow rather than underrating him. PR not looking as bad now, lol. Lilbow is trully capable of winning this championship. He has a problem in mentality, he is just totally throwing the games where he is well ahead. Why ? He wents to end the game right there. It is just not the best move. But in raw skill, mechanics, build orders, he is still top notch. He seems to be eager to win and finish the games, I don't know why. I would say that he´s mechanics have always been bad. He´s really good at all-ins though. I would say he has not the best mechanics ( but which foreign protoss has?) on earth, but every execution, little micro move, is really really well done. In general obviously. Plus he probably has the bests build orders / timings of the foreign scene. that's a good question actually. Even among Koreans, I wonder who is the most mechanically sound Protoss. herO is probably the best mechanically when he's in form. Zest always floats excessive amounts of money (everything else is so perfect that he still has the right amount of units though, no idea how that works), sOs has said himself that his hands are slow and his mechanics aren't that good. Classic and Stats also have good mechanics I guess. Since Rain retired this is a lot more open I'm not even sure Rain was THAT great mechanically. He was divine as far as build orders and (especially) compositions go but I'm unsure his macro was the most pristine.
At his peak he was pretty perfect with it. When he wasn't in top shape he got pretty sloppy with it. And yeah, it's harder to show good macro as Protoss, but it happens.
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On March 03 2016 01:32 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2016 01:32 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 03 2016 01:30 Elentos wrote:On March 03 2016 01:27 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 03 2016 01:26 Ppjack wrote:On March 03 2016 01:22 RaFox17 wrote:On March 03 2016 01:17 Ppjack wrote:On March 03 2016 01:15 Soularion wrote:
Very glad that I ended up overrating Lilbow rather than underrating him. PR not looking as bad now, lol. Lilbow is trully capable of winning this championship. He has a problem in mentality, he is just totally throwing the games where he is well ahead. Why ? He wents to end the game right there. It is just not the best move. But in raw skill, mechanics, build orders, he is still top notch. He seems to be eager to win and finish the games, I don't know why. I would say that he´s mechanics have always been bad. He´s really good at all-ins though. I would say he has not the best mechanics ( but which foreign protoss has?) on earth, but every execution, little micro move, is really really well done. In general obviously. Plus he probably has the bests build orders / timings of the foreign scene. that's a good question actually. Even among Koreans, I wonder who is the most mechanically sound Protoss. herO is probably the best mechanically when he's in form. Zest always floats excessive amounts of money (everything else is so perfect that he still has the right amount of units though, no idea how that works), sOs has said himself that his hands are slow and his mechanics aren't that good. Classic and Stats also have good mechanics I guess. Since Rain retired this is a lot more open I'm not even sure Rain was THAT great mechanically. He was divine as far as build orders and (especially) compositions go but I'm unsure his macro was the most pristine. At his peak he was pretty perfect with it. When he wasn't in top shape he got pretty sloppy with it.
Yeah I probably remember too much of the HotS Rain that was a lot less reliable.
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i'm ready for lilbow throwing his army
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Immortals are pretty good units
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Hey that looked like a blink all-in from Lilbow... why is it now an adept all-in?
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On March 03 2016 01:34 Makro wrote:
i'm ready for lilbow throwing his army
I was ready but it still hurts 
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Best macro protoss was Best
But yeah HotS Rain takes it ez
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United States97276 Posts
Lilbow comeback is real. he's going to take this series
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Nerchio losing 11 free overlords in 1 game lol
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I wonder if you could just go Hydra/ling and fake or not go the lurker route to beat this comp?
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On March 03 2016 01:35 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Immortals are pretty good units
They sure wreck lurkers.
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Lilbow can't even micro blink stalkers anymore, so hard to root for him
Wins anyway ... cool?
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EPT
