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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
November 28 2015 18:28 GMT
#1641
On November 29 2015 03:26 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2015 03:25 highsis wrote:
1. remove +shield damage from disruptor

I don't even know why this exists in the first place. A gateway based PvP would probably be extremely exciting, why did they need to promote disruptor play that much ?

cuz gateways are too much like Terran, y'know
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Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
November 28 2015 18:28 GMT
#1642
On November 29 2015 03:26 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2015 03:22 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On November 29 2015 03:20 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On November 29 2015 03:12 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On November 29 2015 03:09 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Bad control from Showtime

Yeah, that costed him the game. Otherwise it was quite cool.

Still one can only hope for PvP to continue being Stalker + Disruptor wars. Glad that a lot of people like it here in the forums, gives me hope that I am not totally insane.


I can believe people find Stalker/Disruptor wars entertaining; I can't believe they think this is an example of good RTS design.

It reminded me of SCBW Dragoon + Reavers. I can't believe that you didn't like it, especially when you consider what kind of horrors we had in WoL and HotS that called themselves "good PvP"...


This is nothing like Dragoon/Reaver, which required actual finesse to win.

Yeah, this is just totally random, am I right!?
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Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
November 28 2015 18:28 GMT
#1643
On November 29 2015 03:24 Mozdk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2015 03:21 Wintex wrote:
On November 29 2015 03:20 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On November 29 2015 03:12 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On November 29 2015 03:09 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Bad control from Showtime

Yeah, that costed him the game. Otherwise it was quite cool.

Still one can only hope for PvP to continue being Stalker + Disruptor wars. Glad that a lot of people like it here in the forums, gives me hope that I am not totally insane.


I can believe people find Stalker/Disruptor wars entertaining; I can't believe they think this is an example of good RTS design.

?


He is saying that something can be fun to watch, but that doesn't make it a good part of a strategy game.

If it's too volatile and based on a lot of luck.

PvP definatly seems like a MU where far greater comebacks can be seen now. Than ever before.


(I'm not saying that I agree with his statement. Just explaining.

yeah i didn't want to read into his comment without him explaining.
I disagree with him. I don't think it's that volatile considering people will learn how to play vs them etc.
The Bomber boy
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
November 28 2015 18:28 GMT
#1644
They really need to stop saying "senpai"
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Fran_
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1024 Posts
November 28 2015 18:28 GMT
#1645
On November 29 2015 03:21 Wildmoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2015 03:17 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On November 29 2015 02:46 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On November 29 2015 02:45 b0lt wrote:
This is somehow worse than colossus deathball vs colossus deathball....

How can this possibly be worse than Colossi a-click wars? This has a lot of positioning and micro in it, Colossi don't...

The last sentence is ridiculous. Colossi wars were everything about positioning.


Colossus is a very snowbally unit. You have a few more than your opponent and you gain huge advantage. You can even push those advantage further because colossi have no cooldown. Disruptors can always stage a comeback with a right shot.


Which in my opinion makes it a bit too coinflippy.
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
November 28 2015 18:29 GMT
#1646
On November 29 2015 03:28 Makro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2015 03:26 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On November 29 2015 03:25 Mozdk wrote:
On November 29 2015 03:23 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
This is the most LR posting I've ever done on mobile and now I figured out how to post without tabbing out of stream, truly I'm a genius


Do you know if you can do this with youtube? Listening to youtube while surfing/writing text.

Haven't figured out a way that isn't multi window (on android ) but I fucking hat multi window, this is literally just a pop out feature which is much nicer

you mean the pop out feature of the twitch's app ?

Yeah how long has thar been there wowie
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Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
November 28 2015 18:29 GMT
#1647
On November 29 2015 03:28 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2015 03:23 Lorning wrote:
On November 29 2015 03:19 KeksX wrote:
I have a dream
that one day

LR threads will mostly be about the games.


Anyone think FireCake stands a chance?

You're not allowed to talk about the game in here

Does the star allow you into a secret society that TL probably has

Yeah, we get free booze and get to gossip about all the other TL users
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HellHound
Profile Joined September 2014
Bulgaria5962 Posts
November 28 2015 18:29 GMT
#1648
On November 29 2015 03:28 SmykuToronto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2015 03:19 Fran_ wrote:
PvP in LoTV is more boring than swarm hosts games of late.

Locust couldn't blow up half of your opponent's army within a second. This thing is more tense.

Tense isn't fun in and of itself nor is it the opposite of boredom
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Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
November 28 2015 18:29 GMT
#1649
On November 29 2015 03:27 HellHound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2015 03:25 highsis wrote:
Quick solution to PvP:
1. remove +shield damage from disruptor

2. add -shield damage to tempests.

No effect on other matchups. Disruptor, tempests, and collosus were the three reasons for PvP being so horrible. There was time in HOTS when zealots+archons+immortals were used and they were great to watch like BW PvP.

Zealot archon immortal vs zealot archon immortal is literrally the most a move game possible rofl


You are right. This is not what we want. Just flipping a coin.
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HellHound
Profile Joined September 2014
Bulgaria5962 Posts
November 28 2015 18:29 GMT
#1650
On November 29 2015 03:29 Lorning wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2015 03:28 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On November 29 2015 03:23 Lorning wrote:
On November 29 2015 03:19 KeksX wrote:
I have a dream
that one day

LR threads will mostly be about the games.


Anyone think FireCake stands a chance?

You're not allowed to talk about the game in here

Does the star allow you into a secret society that TL probably has

Yeah, we get free booze and get to gossip about all the other TL users
So just like any other job
Classic GosoO |sOs| Everyone has to give in, let Life win | Zest Is The Best | Roach Cultist | I recognize the might and wisdom of my Otherworldly overlord | Air vs Air 200/200 SC2 is best SC2 | PRIME has been robbed | Fuck prime go ST | ROACH ROACH ROACH
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
November 28 2015 18:30 GMT
#1651
On November 29 2015 03:29 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2015 03:28 Makro wrote:
On November 29 2015 03:26 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On November 29 2015 03:25 Mozdk wrote:
On November 29 2015 03:23 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
This is the most LR posting I've ever done on mobile and now I figured out how to post without tabbing out of stream, truly I'm a genius


Do you know if you can do this with youtube? Listening to youtube while surfing/writing text.

Haven't figured out a way that isn't multi window (on android ) but I fucking hat multi window, this is literally just a pop out feature which is much nicer

you mean the pop out feature of the twitch's app ?

Yeah how long has thar been there wowie

dunno, but that's useful for me so i can check twitter while watching a stream haha

world best feature ever oF ALL TIME
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Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
November 28 2015 18:30 GMT
#1652
On November 29 2015 03:25 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2015 03:21 Wildmoon wrote:
On November 29 2015 03:17 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On November 29 2015 02:46 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On November 29 2015 02:45 b0lt wrote:
This is somehow worse than colossus deathball vs colossus deathball....

How can this possibly be worse than Colossi a-click wars? This has a lot of positioning and micro in it, Colossi don't...

The last sentence is ridiculous. Colossi wars were everything about positioning.


Colossus is a very snowbally unit. You have a few more than your opponent and you gain huge advantage. You can even push those advantage further because colossi have no cooldown. Disruptors can always stage a comeback with a right shot.

sOs beat PartinG when he was down like 4 colossi because of a superior fight tho, I don't think the advantage is as clear as you make it.


Most of the time it is. Something like that can only happen when both have really high number of colossi. Not gonna happen with 1 vs 5 colossi.
HeroMystic
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1217 Posts
November 28 2015 18:30 GMT
#1653
On November 29 2015 03:28 WrathSCII wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2015 03:22 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On November 29 2015 03:20 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On November 29 2015 03:12 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On November 29 2015 03:09 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Bad control from Showtime

Yeah, that costed him the game. Otherwise it was quite cool.

Still one can only hope for PvP to continue being Stalker + Disruptor wars. Glad that a lot of people like it here in the forums, gives me hope that I am not totally insane.


I can believe people find Stalker/Disruptor wars entertaining; I can't believe they think this is an example of good RTS design.

It reminded me of SCBW Dragoon + Reavers. I can't believe that you didn't like it, especially when you consider what kind of horrors we had in WoL and HotS that called themselves "good PvP"...


That was different because Reavers were much better than Disruptors for one reason

THE SCARAB ITSELF DID NOT GO THROUGH UNITS!

That is what made the Reaver much better unit, you can actually micro the targeted unit away, not keep blinking to survive because splitting is pointless.


This is a good point. If the Disruptor ball didn't phase through units it'd be a lot more balanced while having the same effect.
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
November 28 2015 18:31 GMT
#1654
On November 29 2015 03:30 Wildmoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2015 03:25 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On November 29 2015 03:21 Wildmoon wrote:
On November 29 2015 03:17 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On November 29 2015 02:46 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On November 29 2015 02:45 b0lt wrote:
This is somehow worse than colossus deathball vs colossus deathball....

How can this possibly be worse than Colossi a-click wars? This has a lot of positioning and micro in it, Colossi don't...

The last sentence is ridiculous. Colossi wars were everything about positioning.


Colossus is a very snowbally unit. You have a few more than your opponent and you gain huge advantage. You can even push those advantage further because colossi have no cooldown. Disruptors can always stage a comeback with a right shot.

sOs beat PartinG when he was down like 4 colossi because of a superior fight tho, I don't think the advantage is as clear as you make it.


Most of the time it is. Something like that can only happen when both have really high number of colossi. Not gonna happen with 3 vs 8 colossi.

highsis
Profile Joined August 2011
259 Posts
November 28 2015 18:31 GMT
#1655
On November 29 2015 03:27 HellHound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2015 03:25 highsis wrote:
Quick solution to PvP:
1. remove +shield damage from disruptor

2. add -shield damage to tempests.

No effect on other matchups. Disruptor, tempests, and collosus were the three reasons for PvP being so horrible. There was time in HOTS when zealots+archons+immortals were used and they were great to watch like BW PvP.

Zealot archon immortal vs zealot archon immortal is literrally the most a move game possible rofl


No, you must not have watched any of those games. Positioning matters and defenders have an advantage.

It's colossus fight that number determines everything.
HellHound
Profile Joined September 2014
Bulgaria5962 Posts
November 28 2015 18:31 GMT
#1656
On November 29 2015 03:29 Mozdk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2015 03:27 HellHound wrote:
On November 29 2015 03:25 highsis wrote:
Quick solution to PvP:
1. remove +shield damage from disruptor

2. add -shield damage to tempests.

No effect on other matchups. Disruptor, tempests, and collosus were the three reasons for PvP being so horrible. There was time in HOTS when zealots+archons+immortals were used and they were great to watch like BW PvP.

Zealot archon immortal vs zealot archon immortal is literrally the most a move game possible rofl


You are right. This is not what we want. Just flipping a coin.

There is skill in it like in anything else it's just not interesting
Much like (actually exactly like) Roach vs Roach
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
November 28 2015 18:31 GMT
#1657
The problem from a spectator pov with disruptors is that the shots MISS most of the time.
It's anticlimatic

People compared it to Baneling wars in zvz, but in zvz there are actual trades happening. What we saw in the pvp was mostly stalkers/tempests shooting at each other while disruptors deny an actual engagement.
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16062 Posts
November 28 2015 18:31 GMT
#1658
yeah collosus vs collossus was FAR better than disruptor wars. I'm disgusted by watching this...
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Fran_
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-28 18:33:18
November 28 2015 18:31 GMT
#1659
On November 29 2015 03:28 SmykuToronto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2015 03:19 Fran_ wrote:
PvP in LoTV is more boring than swarm hosts games of late.

Locust couldn't blow up half of your opponent's army within a second. This thing is more tense.


So tense that I had to shake up to wake up a few times: 10 minutes of waiting for a big shot that could not be capitalized. So intense.
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
November 28 2015 18:31 GMT
#1660
On November 29 2015 03:26 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2015 03:22 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On November 29 2015 03:20 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On November 29 2015 03:12 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On November 29 2015 03:09 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Bad control from Showtime

Yeah, that costed him the game. Otherwise it was quite cool.

Still one can only hope for PvP to continue being Stalker + Disruptor wars. Glad that a lot of people like it here in the forums, gives me hope that I am not totally insane.


I can believe people find Stalker/Disruptor wars entertaining; I can't believe they think this is an example of good RTS design.

It reminded me of SCBW Dragoon + Reavers. I can't believe that you didn't like it, especially when you consider what kind of horrors we had in WoL and HotS that called themselves "good PvP"...


This is nothing like Dragoon/Reaver, which required actual finesse to win. Right now Stalker/Disruptor is ridiculous in terms of how forgiving it is (how many times did we see 15-25 supply evaporate and it had no effect because the numerically superior army could not capitalize?) and how little commitment Disruptors require to pay off. Constant sharking in itself is not interesting to me personally.

Yeah no what the fuck you couldn't capitalize as quickly as you think even if you got a few dragoons since reavers were still dangerous. The thing that could make it more like dragoon reaver is a reduction of movement speed on the disruptor so you would need stuff like the warp prism or something.
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