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Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
November 28 2015 18:23 GMT
#1621
On November 29 2015 03:20 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2015 03:12 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On November 29 2015 03:09 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Bad control from Showtime

Yeah, that costed him the game. Otherwise it was quite cool.

Still one can only hope for PvP to continue being Stalker + Disruptor wars. Glad that a lot of people like it here in the forums, gives me hope that I am not totally insane.


I can believe people find Stalker/Disruptor wars entertaining; I can't believe they think this is an example of good RTS design.


Good RTS design is not something set in stone.
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
November 28 2015 18:23 GMT
#1622
This is the most LR posting I've ever done on mobile and now I figured out how to post without tabbing out of stream, truly I'm a genius
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
November 28 2015 18:23 GMT
#1623
On November 29 2015 03:19 KeksX wrote:
I have a dream
that one day

LR threads will mostly be about the games.


Anyone think FireCake stands a chance?

You're not allowed to talk about the game in here
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Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
November 28 2015 18:24 GMT
#1624
On November 29 2015 03:21 Wintex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2015 03:20 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On November 29 2015 03:12 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On November 29 2015 03:09 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Bad control from Showtime

Yeah, that costed him the game. Otherwise it was quite cool.

Still one can only hope for PvP to continue being Stalker + Disruptor wars. Glad that a lot of people like it here in the forums, gives me hope that I am not totally insane.


I can believe people find Stalker/Disruptor wars entertaining; I can't believe they think this is an example of good RTS design.

?


He is saying that something can be fun to watch, but that doesn't make it a good part of a strategy game.

If it's too volatile and based on a lot of luck.

PvP definatly seems like a MU where far greater comebacks can be seen now. Than ever before.


(I'm not saying that I agree with his statement. Just explaining.
"It's really hard to Protoss" - White-Ra |||| "Apedts are dfucking amazing" - Lorning
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-28 18:25:42
November 28 2015 18:24 GMT
#1625
On November 29 2015 03:17 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2015 02:46 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On November 29 2015 02:45 b0lt wrote:
This is somehow worse than colossus deathball vs colossus deathball....

How can this possibly be worse than Colossi a-click wars? This has a lot of positioning and micro in it, Colossi don't...

The last sentence is ridiculous. Colossi wars were everything about positioning.

Then I am perfectly sure that in most of the pro PvPs I've seen progamers didn't get that, as their positioning was horrendous.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
November 28 2015 18:25 GMT
#1626
On November 29 2015 03:23 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
This is the most LR posting I've ever done on mobile and now I figured out how to post without tabbing out of stream, truly I'm a genius

pls enlighten me your ways
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Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
November 28 2015 18:25 GMT
#1627
On November 29 2015 03:23 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
This is the most LR posting I've ever done on mobile and now I figured out how to post without tabbing out of stream, truly I'm a genius


Do you know if you can do this with youtube? Listening to youtube while surfing/writing text.
"It's really hard to Protoss" - White-Ra |||| "Apedts are dfucking amazing" - Lorning
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
November 28 2015 18:25 GMT
#1628
On November 29 2015 03:21 Wildmoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2015 03:17 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On November 29 2015 02:46 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On November 29 2015 02:45 b0lt wrote:
This is somehow worse than colossus deathball vs colossus deathball....

How can this possibly be worse than Colossi a-click wars? This has a lot of positioning and micro in it, Colossi don't...

The last sentence is ridiculous. Colossi wars were everything about positioning.


Colossus is a very snowbally unit. You have a few more than your opponent and you gain huge advantage. You can even push those advantage further because colossi have no cooldown. Disruptors can always stage a comeback with a right shot.

sOs beat PartinG when he was down like 4 colossi because of a superior fight tho, I don't think the advantage is as clear as you make it.
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highsis
Profile Joined August 2011
259 Posts
November 28 2015 18:25 GMT
#1629
Quick solution to PvP:
1. remove +shield damage from disruptor

2. add -shield damage to tempests.

No effect on other matchups. Disruptor, tempests, and collosus were the three reasons for PvP being so horrible. There was time in HOTS when zealots+archons+immortals were used and they were great to watch like BW PvP.
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
November 28 2015 18:25 GMT
#1630
On November 29 2015 03:16 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2015 03:14 ETisME wrote:
On November 29 2015 03:11 deacon.frost wrote:
On November 29 2015 03:09 FeyFey wrote:
loses because he doesn't turn off autocast on his immortals while going for a do or die strat with only 6+ units to micro.

Why is the autocast turned on? oO Carriers don't build interceptors on auto, but immortals have barrier on auto? Where's consistency? I get why medevacs have heal on auto, but that should be an exception IMO.

Nevermind, PARTING! Now he can lose to some Zerg

I like it being auto casted, you can bait the ability to go off

Well yeah, but why there's no consistency in Protoss units. Lesser players can always turn it on... I would like to know why


Blizzard decides on this. Just like Charge, if it wouldn't be autocast stronger players would have an inherit advantage. With it being autocast, you can still gain an advantage by turning it off, but it won't be that insane.
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-28 18:28:24
November 28 2015 18:26 GMT
#1631
On November 29 2015 03:22 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2015 03:20 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On November 29 2015 03:12 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On November 29 2015 03:09 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Bad control from Showtime

Yeah, that costed him the game. Otherwise it was quite cool.

Still one can only hope for PvP to continue being Stalker + Disruptor wars. Glad that a lot of people like it here in the forums, gives me hope that I am not totally insane.


I can believe people find Stalker/Disruptor wars entertaining; I can't believe they think this is an example of good RTS design.

It reminded me of SCBW Dragoon + Reavers. I can't believe that you didn't like it, especially when you consider what kind of horrors we had in WoL and HotS that called themselves "good PvP"...


This is nothing like Dragoon/Reaver, which required actual finesse to win. Right now Stalker/Disruptor is ridiculous in terms of how forgiving it is (how many times did we see 15-25 supply evaporate and it had no effect because the numerically superior army could not capitalize?) and how little commitment Disruptors require to pay off. Constant sharking in itself is not interesting to me personally.
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KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
November 28 2015 18:26 GMT
#1632
On November 29 2015 03:25 Mozdk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2015 03:23 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
This is the most LR posting I've ever done on mobile and now I figured out how to post without tabbing out of stream, truly I'm a genius


Do you know if you can do this with youtube? Listening to youtube while surfing/writing text.

Haven't figured out a way that isn't multi window (on android ) but I fucking hat multi window, this is literally just a pop out feature which is much nicer
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12782 Posts
November 28 2015 18:26 GMT
#1633
I think PvP would evolve into some chargelots flanking to target the disruptors and ending the mass disruptors standoff
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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
November 28 2015 18:26 GMT
#1634
On November 29 2015 03:25 highsis wrote:
1. remove +shield damage from disruptor

I don't even know why this exists in the first place. A gateway based PvP would probably be extremely exciting, why did they need to promote disruptor play that much ?
HellHound
Profile Joined September 2014
Bulgaria5962 Posts
November 28 2015 18:27 GMT
#1635
On November 29 2015 03:25 highsis wrote:
Quick solution to PvP:
1. remove +shield damage from disruptor

2. add -shield damage to tempests.

No effect on other matchups. Disruptor, tempests, and collosus were the three reasons for PvP being so horrible. There was time in HOTS when zealots+archons+immortals were used and they were great to watch like BW PvP.

Zealot archon immortal vs zealot archon immortal is literrally the most a move game possible rofl
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Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
November 28 2015 18:27 GMT
#1636
On November 29 2015 03:25 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2015 03:21 Wildmoon wrote:
On November 29 2015 03:17 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On November 29 2015 02:46 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On November 29 2015 02:45 b0lt wrote:
This is somehow worse than colossus deathball vs colossus deathball....

How can this possibly be worse than Colossi a-click wars? This has a lot of positioning and micro in it, Colossi don't...

The last sentence is ridiculous. Colossi wars were everything about positioning.


Colossus is a very snowbally unit. You have a few more than your opponent and you gain huge advantage. You can even push those advantage further because colossi have no cooldown. Disruptors can always stage a comeback with a right shot.

sOs beat PartinG when he was down like 4 colossi because of a superior fight tho, I don't think the advantage is as clear as you make it.

And Rain PvP WoL. His 2-4 more immortals were the key in big collossi fights.
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KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
November 28 2015 18:28 GMT
#1637
On November 29 2015 03:23 Lorning wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2015 03:19 KeksX wrote:
I have a dream
that one day

LR threads will mostly be about the games.


Anyone think FireCake stands a chance?

You're not allowed to talk about the game in here

Does the star allow you into a secret society that TL probably has
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
November 28 2015 18:28 GMT
#1638
On November 29 2015 03:26 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2015 03:25 Mozdk wrote:
On November 29 2015 03:23 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
This is the most LR posting I've ever done on mobile and now I figured out how to post without tabbing out of stream, truly I'm a genius


Do you know if you can do this with youtube? Listening to youtube while surfing/writing text.

Haven't figured out a way that isn't multi window (on android ) but I fucking hat multi window, this is literally just a pop out feature which is much nicer

you mean the pop out feature of the twitch's app ?
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
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Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-28 18:28:55
November 28 2015 18:28 GMT
#1639
On November 29 2015 03:22 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2015 03:20 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On November 29 2015 03:12 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On November 29 2015 03:09 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Bad control from Showtime

Yeah, that costed him the game. Otherwise it was quite cool.

Still one can only hope for PvP to continue being Stalker + Disruptor wars. Glad that a lot of people like it here in the forums, gives me hope that I am not totally insane.


I can believe people find Stalker/Disruptor wars entertaining; I can't believe they think this is an example of good RTS design.

It reminded me of SCBW Dragoon + Reavers. I can't believe that you didn't like it, especially when you consider what kind of horrors we had in WoL and HotS that called themselves "good PvP"...


That was different because Reavers were much better than Disruptors for one reason

THE SCARAB ITSELF DID NOT GO THROUGH UNITS!

That is what made the Reaver much better unit, you can actually micro the targeted unit away, not keep blinking to survive because splitting is pointless.
SmykuToronto
Profile Joined October 2014
Poland269 Posts
November 28 2015 18:28 GMT
#1640
On November 29 2015 03:19 Fran_ wrote:
PvP in LoTV is more boring than swarm hosts games of late.

Locust couldn't blow up half of your opponent's army within a second. This thing is more tense.
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